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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Because Zimmerman is an irresponsible coward at best.

What makes him a coward?

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someone who had done absolutely nothing wrong, and start an altercation

How do you know he hadn't just previously done something wrong, or was on his way to do something wrong. Furthermore, how do you know he started the altercation? Perhaps he approached Trayvon in a civil matter and then got attacked. You don't know and neither does anybody but George Zimmerman. Besides, the prosecution's star witness testified that she repeatedly told him to run. Why didn't he? Maybe he was looking for a fight. Maybe he wanted to tune up that "creepy ass cracker."

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despite being told NOT to do so by law enforcement immediately prior

911 dispatchers are not law enforcement. They tell anyone to avoid confrontation at any cost. Someone could break into my house, and if I call 911 with my fiance's 9mm in my hand they'd tell me to put it down and hide in a closet.

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has caused untold grief to the child's family, and reverberations throughout race relations in this country. Voluntary manslaughter should have been the most obvious charge.

Nope, besides the grief to the "child"'s parents (I really hate people referring to him as a child, that dude was a man, a 17 year old is not a child), the race relations in the country being strained are due to the media and people such as yourself making this about race. If Zimmerman had been anything but white looking, nobody would care.

Lastly, Voluntary manslaughter would require the Zimmerman killed him in an unlawful and unjustifiable manner. Since it was pretty clearly in self defense due to witness testimony and the substantial wounds on his face and head, it was pretty obviously self defense, and thus justifiable.

Regardless, it's not what you think or what your emotions or "gut" tells you, it's what evidence can prove. This was an appropriate sentence given the evidence that the prosecution had.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby when around blacks watch your backs.

You know what they say....once you go black, your parents never talk to you again.

Why is this getting so much attention anyway? Seems like a common case in the US.

It is. Stuff like this happens every day. The only reason it's getting any attention is because George Zimmerman isn't black.

Does anyone think the protests are a bit myopic? Shouldn't they be protesting the lawmakers who still support this 'stand your ground' law.
I also wonder how many of them know about Martin's cellphone media and alleged prior history of burglary. The media seems to be really whitewashing his past.

More like blackwashing. ba dum tssss

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Originally posted by Fledz Why is this getting so much attention anyway? Seems like a common case in the US.

Too true...sadly this is actually theater for some fucktards out there. I'm sick of acting like this is something special with people at work. This type of shit happens everyday and people don't care until the media makes a circus out of it...then they act like they care so much.


LOL@pic but sound advice people should take instead of being so viscerally revved up. The majority of people protesting seem to not understand attorneys don't act on emotions.

Prosecution botched this shit so badly. Seems to be a North Florida deal with their DAs though. Casey Anthony, this, pathetic attempts to extract more than they should be able to get from the justice system. Quit trying to make names for yourselves you fucking idiots and prosecute a decent case.

I hope this is not indicative of the new wave of young attorneys entering public and what their goals are. You are public servants, do it wisely, don't waste tax payer money trying to use this is a stage to land a sweet private gig, it won't work.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Prosecution botched this shit so badly. Seems to be a North Florida deal with their DAs though. Casey Anthony, this, pathetic attempts to extract more than they should be able to get from the justice system. Quit trying to make names for yourselves you fucking idiots and prosecute a decent case. I hope this is not indicative of the new wave of young attorneys entering public and what their goals are. You are public servants, do it wisely, don't waste tax payer money trying to use this is a stage to land a sweet private gig, it won't work.

This doesn't make any sense. They could have found him guilty for either Murder 2 or manslaughter, so what would you have preferred they charge him with? Discharging a firearm in public?

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Originally posted by srussell0018 This doesn't make any sense. They could have found him guilty for either Murder 2 or manslaughter, so what would you have preferred they charge him with? Discharging a firearm in public?

The prosecution pushed Murder 2, the judge had to remind the jury they could do manslaughter. Never trust a jury to interpret a lower charge correctly.

When I heard the judge reminded the jury on what they could convict, specifically on the fact that they could do manslaughter I didn't have to hear anything else from the prosecution to know they fucking botched it.

The prosecutor pushed murder 2 hard, way too hard, and they didn't want to do manslaughter (and its really hard to prosecute manslaughter OR murder 2, not like murder 1/murder 2 where the definitions are closer). A smart prosecutor would have charged him solely with voluntary manslaughter and ran with that because its an easy case to prove, there was malicious intent (him getting out of the car to pursue Martin) and it was obvious that there was a fight, and that no matter who started the actual brawl, that Zimmerman had put himself willingly into a situation where he knew a fight could occur. He wasn't out to kill Martin, but he was out to engage Martin in some sort of altercation that was outside the purview of his entirely non-existent authority.

You wouldn't have to try and pull all this fancy bullshit and call idiot witnesses who are going to fuck your case if you are just trying to prove that he put himself in a situation where he possibly would be in a fight, and when a fight did occur he killed him.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby The prosecution pushed Murder 2, the judge had to remind the jury they could do manslaughter. Never trust a jury to interpret a lower charge correctly. When I heard the judge reminded the jury on what they could convict, specifically on the fact that they could do manslaughter I didn't have to hear anything else from the prosecution to know they fucking botched it. The prosecutor pushed murder 2 hard, way too hard, and they didn't want to do manslaughter (and its really hard to prosecute manslaughter OR murder 2, not like murder 1/murder 2 where the definitions are closer). A smart prosecutor would have charged him solely with voluntary manslaughter and ran with that because its an easy case to prove, there was malicious intent (him getting out of the car to pursue Martin) and it was obvious that there was a fight, and that no matter who started the actual brawl, that Zimmerman had put himself willingly into a situation where he knew a fight could occur. He wasn't out to kill Martin, but he was out to engage Martin in some sort of altercation that was outside the purview of his entirely non-existent authority. You wouldn't have to try and pull all this fancy bullshit and call idiot witnesses who are going to fuck your case if you are just trying to prove that he put himself in a situation where he possibly would be in a fight, and when a fight did occur he killed him.

following someone is malicious intent? wow

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Originally posted by crazituna following someone is malicious intent? wow

Getting out of your car after declaring that you see the person, and the person sees you and you are suspecting them of a crime (as demonstrated in the 911 call Zimmerman made) is. Yes. Especially when the person is running away, which Zimmerman said Martin was. Zimmerman got out of his car to pursue Martin. That is Zimmerman's own admission.

this is like OJ but in reverse. The world is now in balance and I guess there is no better time to express my love for russel. I desire you . forget that bitch and lets move to San Francisco.

kiss kiss.

Florida is just fucked tho. Its just really hard to see two sides to this. I really don't see how this is a hard decision in any way. Sentencing perhaps, but in terms of someone getting off, that is just fucked.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Getting out of your car after declaring that you see the person, and the person sees you and you are suspecting them of a crime (as demonstrated in the 911 call Zimmerman made) is. Yes. Especially when the person is running away, which Zimmerman said Martin was. Zimmerman got out of his car to pursue Martin. That is Zimmerman's own admission.

again you haven't proven malicious intent. last time i checked it was not a crime to follow someone. now bashing someone face in is a different story oh you forgot about that.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney this is like OJ but in reverse. The world is now in balance and I guess there is no better time to express my love for russel. I desire you . forget that bitch and lets move to San Francisco. kiss kiss. Florida is just fucked tho. Its just really hard to see two sides to this. I really don't see how this is a hard decision in any way. Sentencing perhaps, but in terms of someone getting off, that is just fucked.

i loved kardashians twitter post.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney this is like OJ but in reverse.

its nothing like OJ in revers....

both case, the prosecution fucked up majorly! and the prosecution both called to witnesses who blew the case for em. People forget that Furman committed perjury on the stand in the OJ case. Where as Trayvon's gf basically put a put on a strap-on and fucked the prosecution.

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Originally posted by crazituna again you haven't proven malicious intent. last time i checked it was not a crime to follow someone. now bashing someone face in is a different story oh you forgot about that.

The 911 dispatched asked: Are you following him.

Zimmerman said he was.

What was his intent other than to engage Martin in some sort of altercation. Zimmerman had no authority, he wasn't a cop.

and when he was asked to stop following he said ok. wasn't it trayvon who turned around to look for zimmerman?

and his intent was to make sure anther person in his complex was not robbed. or you missed the rash of burgleries and robberies in the complex.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby The 911 dispatched asked: Are you following him. Zimmerman said he was. What was his intent other than to engage Martin in some sort of altercation. Zimmerman had no authority, he wasn't a cop.

How do you know he didn't say "Hey, this is a gated community, what are you doing here?" and then Trayvon started beating him?

And didn't the girl repeatedly tell him to try to get away, which he obviously didn't?

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Originally posted by srussell0018 How do you know he didn't say "Hey, this is a gated community, what are you doing here?" and then Trayvon started beating him? And didn't the girl repeatedly tell him to try to get away, which he obviously didn't?

the girl thought he was a homo rapist

None of that matters in the context of malice in this situation. Zimmerman got out of the car with the intent to confront Martin, that is a fact that Zimmerman stated himself. There was no immediate emergency situation or crime in progress that would require Zimmerman to confront Martin. It doesn't matter if Martin attacked him first, because it was clear that Zimmerman had made his presence known and that Martin was wary of Zimmerman (slowly following Martin in his car at night, getting out and following him). A citizen is not, and should not be engaging themselves in the application or attempt to enforce law when there is no immediate threat. A community watch volunteer has no legal authority to stop anyone, confront anyone, or exert force on anyone.

You have to ask yourself this when you are talking about manslaughter: Was there a course of action that Zimmerman could have taken that night that did not end up with Martin dead? If that situation exists then there is a case for manslaughter.

I say there is. If Zimmerman had NOT gotten out of his car and attempted to follow Martin on foot, and instead waited for law enforcement to arrive Martin would most likely be alive.

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