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I think what Palm (yes, it's Palm) is trying to relate is that propping up people with charity rather than actually investing in them is not helpful when done en masse.

I think he also has some personal acidity towards what has happened back in Viking Norse Land, which has seen a big erosion of the middle class somewhat caused by heavy handed social financial policies.

I actually believe it's good, but only to an extent. I grew up quite poor but I was lucky to be educated in a decent state school (although you only got out, what you put in) and I grew up mainly on welfare with hand me downs etc. Without it we would have starved and frankly I would not be where I am today; own a house, a business and all those material things we seem to crave.

What doesn't help is when you just teach people to rely on free food, shelter and care, you're not empowering anyone to better their lives. Some can't due to health or mental issues and they need to be looked after, but just creating a massive soup line is not the answer for people who could have a better life given the tools.

I remember being so broke while a Student that I literally didn't know how I was going to survive and then by chance a charity grant for a new computer I had applied for 6 months prior magically came through. I spent half on a new computer and the rest kept me fed for the next two months until I finished school.

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Originally posted by AnotherWay83 One time I was withdrawing cash from an ATM to go see my ATF ho, and there was an elderly homeless woman nearby. I gave her 20 bux out of my ho money, and gave the ho 20 less.

Are you implying that the ATF has a prostitution ring in it?

I mostly help people with technical or pc related issues I think.
Did so yesterday, put wifi on a different channel for someone, who was really happy with that.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Are you implying that the ATF has a prostitution ring in it?

No, n00b. ATF = All Time Favorite

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I remember being so broke while a Student that I literally didn't know how I was going to survive and then by chance a charity grant for a new computer I had applied for 6 months prior magically came through. I spent half on a new computer and the rest kept me fed for the next two months until I finished school.

fantastic. Now same situation, but you were raped by your ugle and 20 times and you didn't like it, ran away , sold your body, nice body btw, dabbled with crack and then found your true calling with black tar heroin.

now that person will get hungry. Some people will never be self sufficient and the concept of society at least to me is that you can't have people that are rich, without accepting the other spectrum as someting that will happen. So you can say fuck charity, start killing the people you think aren't worth their skin, or accept that yup, it might be a burden but that is just a part of being part of a community.

No different than accessible health care, schooling and fair wages. They are on the same spectrum. Some people will never be self sufficient and you can't use success anecdotes which are always the exception to drive safety net policy.

And there is no logic to it. Being nice is not logical. It is an adaptive behaviour that allowed humans to flourish. I think it makes the place you are living better for everyone and perhaps selfish, it makes things better for you , for society and everyone has a higher standard of living than without it. That is the outcome, the motivation doesn't really matter.

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Originally posted by clay im not that egoistic nor at all competetive, you clearly havent understood what ive been saying at all.

I understood you perfectly. You just said it again:

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people need the satisfaction and self respect gained from actually "doing it yourself" and the best help you can give is education, stability and infrastructur so that they CAN achive themselfs and then feel successfull.

You definitely know what you're talking about. You're also a fantastic speller.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid I understood you perfectly. You just said it again: You definitely know what you're talking about. You're also a fantastic speller.

What the fuck is it with uptight vankers pulling people up on spelling recently? When did TA become such a bunch of anal jobsworths? It's like going to a insurance convention.

Clay/Palm is Norwegian. I don't think English is even his second language.

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Originally posted by Revvin4Kevin fantastic. Now same situation, but you were raped by your ugle and 20 times and you didn't like it, ran away , sold your body, nice body btw, dabbled with crack and then found your true calling with black tar heroin. now that person will get hungry. Some people will never be self sufficient and the concept of society at least to me is that you can't have people that are rich, without accepting the other spectrum as someting that will happen. So you can say fuck charity, start killing the people you think aren't worth their skin, or accept that yup, it might be a burden but that is just a part of being part of a community. No different than accessible health care, schooling and fair wages. They are on the same spectrum. Some people will never be self sufficient and you can't use success anecdotes which are always the exception to drive safety net policy. And there is no logic to it. Being nice is not logical. It is an adaptive behaviour that allowed humans to flourish. I think it makes the place you are living better for everyone and perhaps selfish, it makes things better for you , for society and everyone has a higher standard of living than without it. That is the outcome, the motivation doesn't really matter.

True, but how did you know about my uncle? Nevermind, back on topic. I personally feel that paying towards others who have been dealt a bad hand or don't have the skills to thrive is a certain kind of tax for those more fortunate or lucky to have more.

I earn decently. The fact I can, is in part, because others don't or have to work for a pittance to make an economic advantage for us.

I know wealthy businessman who always jokes that in the morning, he works for the government, and in the afternoon, he works for himself; that the 50% income tax he pays allows him a quality of life in his country that is one of the highest in the world and that by every wealthy person paying this, he and other less fortunate people are collectively better off for it.

Yeah, but what is wealthy? I know money is KEY, but what about 'free time' or 'independence' ? Are we better off just automating our lives with daily response algorithms that focus on 'execution' and 'accumulation'? is the modest handyman with a regular job and little stress wealthier than an entry level programmer at Google and/or an ANalyst at Goldman Sachs?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On People who genuinely feel better about themselves by giving to others consider it money well spent. And why shouldn't they? There is mounting evidence that people get an irreplaceable high from charity. As social animals, we are generally wired to seek such gratification, even if it is sometimes a hollow gesture and a hypocritical culture has cropped up in its vapour.

It's the nature of money. Like a natural law, the ebbs and flows of wealth must reach everyone. That's how the world becomes 'capitalized', by empowering through monetary reward. People can be thought of as interest-accruing assets themselves.

I would like to work on a start-up that focuses on competitive sponsoring for under-privileged children in Central America and/or South America and Africa. Where children compete academically/socially in order to gain more sponsors. There is a score-table and we keep track of how they do in school and/or extra curriculars through gamification.

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