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Originally posted by Neonbeats This years lineup? If you're comparing it to Tomorrowworld than I'm not sure if that's a good comparison.

iam talking about whatever one is the one in america

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Originally posted by AY STAR iam talking about whatever one is the one in america

Yeah, that and mysteryland seem to have completely different philosophies.

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2013...woodstock-site/

"Mysteryland isn�t focused on what most Americans know as EDM � the energetic, crossover genre favored at Electric Daisy events that Mr. Stutterheim says amounts to �a modern version of pop music.� Instead, Mysteryland showcases some 20 different styles of electronic music, like trance and house, many of which emerged as a backlash against pop music, he said.

A good part of the budget for Mysteryland will also be spent on theater, movies, interactive installation art, street performers and �bizarre� stage decoration, he said, as opposed to celebrity-DJ salaries."

backlash against pop music????

Yea, that's why the 2012 lineup (In Holland no less) featured:

Fedde
Avicii
Martin Solveig
Hardwell
Dimitri Vegas & Like Mike
Chuckie
Porter Robinson
Zedd


...real underground.

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Originally posted by Menaschetrois backlash against pop music???? Yea, that's why the 2012 lineup (In Holland no less) featured: Fedde Avicii Martin Solveig Hardwell Dimitri Vegas & Like Mike Chuckie Porter Robinson Zedd ...real underground.

Yes, because those 8 artists are mysterland. Way to cherry pick to make your point


Fuck, i would go just for the entire Q-Dance stage, Speedy J, Jeff Mills, Loco Dice, Goldie and Seth troxler.


MONADE
Loco Dice
Simian Mobile Disco
Cajmere
Aeroplane
Reboot
Eats Everything
Daniel Sanchez
Lex Empress

DIRTY DUTCH
Chuckie
Porter Robinson
Cassius
Switch vs Betatraxx
Zedd
Dillon Francis
Mitchell Niemeyer
Glowinthedark
MC Roga

A-TRAK PRESENTS THE FOOL�S GOLD CLUB HOUSE
A-Trak
Tiga
Fake Blood
Riton
Nobody Beats The Drum �333
Rogerseventytwo

VISIONQUEST
Seth Troxler
Ryan Crosson
Subb-An
Boris Werner
Laura Jones
Dinky
William Kouam Djoko

BACK x BACK
Dennis Ferrer & Lilith
Surgeon & Anton Pieete
Bas Amro & Benny Rodrigues
Michael Mayer & Mike Ravelli
Hernan Cattaneo & Eelke Kleijn

ELECTRIC DELUXE PRESENTS
Speedy J
Jeff Mills
Len Faki
Rod
Perc
Xhin

GZG
Karotte
Monika Kruse
De Man Zonder Schaduw
Juan Sanchez
Tim Green
Moritz

OI! VS VAGE GASTEN
Goldie
Zombie Nation
Trolley Snatcha
Henzel & Disco Nova
Gomes
Attaque
Full Crate

Q-DANCE
Headhunterz
Zatox
Wildstylez
Psyko Punkz live
Endymion
Zany
Max Enforcer
Adaro
Code Black
Lee Mac
MC Ruffian

I'm not cherry picking. I'm saying if that's their main stage, how can they say it is like "antipop" come on now

Edit: ok maybe I was cherry picking but the point remains

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Originally posted by Menaschetrois I'm not cherry picking. I'm saying if that's their main stage, how can they say it is like "antipop" come on now Edit: ok maybe I was cherry picking but the point remains

Read what I quoted again. he never says anything about the festival being antipop or not bringing any pop music at all. He says the festival will mostly be made up of music that isn�t what Americans have come to know as EDM. Then goes on to say how such genres such as trance and house originally emerged as a backlash against pop music(oh how things have changed)


Look, at the end of the day the company needs to at least break even in order to continue doing events. They aren't going be able to fill woodstock without bringing a little bit of something for that pop heads will like. As much as i hate shit like Avicci, if having him there will cause some people to be exposed and therefor come to like non pop electronic music then it's worth it. Even the underground raves of the 90's had pop acts once in a while. FFS, Day in the Park rave at six flags in '97 had Dee Lite, the epitome of pop house.

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Originally posted by Neonbeats Oh and Mysteryland is not putting 10mil in production, the wsj says it will cost $10mil to produce, which means the total price tag of the festival is $10mil. That is a quarter of what EDC costs.

So, how does that math work?

If expenses for Mysteryland are $10 mil, at 20k per day capacity that's $165/day.

Yeah, Zoo is pulling that much in it seems, but can a new festival like Mysteryland do that, when other camp-festivals charge hardly more for the full 3-day package?

Remains to be seen, but somehow 200-250 for the 3-day pass seems more appropriate = $5

Where's the revenue stream for the organisers to come from that makes up the diff?
Vendor fees or merch?
cut of the booze?
can't see it.

2 events? good luck finding lodging in that area

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Originally posted by CarS So, how does that math work? If expenses for Mysteryland are $10 mil, at 20k per day capacity that's $165/day. Yeah, Zoo is pulling that much in it seems, but can a new festival like Mysteryland do that, when other camp-festivals charge hardly more for the full 3-day package? Remains to be seen, but somehow 200-250 for the 3-day pass seems more appropriate = $5 Where's the revenue stream for the organisers to come from that makes up the diff? Vendor fees or merch? cut of the booze? can't see it.

I'm sure they make millions on merch/food/drinks. Plus they are bankrolled by a multi million dollar company. Either way I'm sure they will be making money. Pretty sure they looked into that...

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Originally posted by Skeptic 2 events? good luck finding lodging in that area

you brings your own: tent / RV / etc...

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Originally posted by CarS you brings your own: tent / RV / etc...

it will be like burning man...only with more neon
YOLO

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Originally posted by AY STAR it will be like burning man...only with more neon YOLO

You can't compare a three day camp festival like this one will be to Burning Man.

Given the music, Camp is probably closest in terms of crowd feel (esp. when Skrillex did it), but really any festi, Forrest, Camp, All Good, Bonaroo (other than size...), Vibes, B.U., B.T., Chill just to name some, is comparable to what this will most likely be like

Burning Man, otoh, is a totally different ball game.
--It's not a music festival (it's an event at which many great musicians show up sure...)
--it attracts a much more heterogeneous crowd (kids to 70 somethings)
--logistics that make any other festival look like a picnic in the park.

shit festivals defiling sacred grounds. pathetic.

Not really sacred grounds anymore. They have since built a massive ampatheater and have many questionable performances there.

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Originally posted by Neonbeats Not really sacred grounds anymore. They have since built a massive ampatheater and have many questionable performances there.

Anyone who's been there will tell you that the Bethel Woods facility is one of the nicest in the East Coast.
I have never heard any complaints of this nature from other Deadheads, let alone those that went back when.

What questionable performances?
Furthur?
Dylan?
Phish? (don't like, but respect 'em)

The original Woodstock was intended as a for-profit venture, didn't work out that way initially, but did ok eventually thanks to movie.
And it was merched afterwards too.

Bill Graham was in it for money too.

If Phil and Bob, and some of the other musicians that played in 69 are ok with this by playing there today (saw 'em 7/12 there), I think we can be too.

If you look at the line-up from the '94 event, which was in conjunction with the original promoters and some original musicians, you could call that questionable, maybe, but things change, so does the music, and i won't complain about it.

After all, the original line-up was heterogeneous too, reflecting MOST of the type of music that was being made back then, not just acid-rock to pick out one.

I just came from there last weekend and its absolutely beautiful and that worries me with all the yolos that are gonna come through and destroy this property.

P.s. Mysterland will be there also......

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Originally posted by euphoria I just came from there last weekend and its absolutely beautiful and that worries me with all the yolos that are gonna come through and destroy this property. P.s. Mysterland will be there also......

Mysteryland will be at Bethel, EDC is supposed to be at the 1994 site 90min away

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Originally posted by CarS Anyone who's been there will tell you that the Bethel Woods facility is one of the nicest in the East Coast. I have never heard any complaints of this nature from other Deadheads, let alone those that went back when. What questionable performances? Furthur? Dylan? Phish? (don't like, but respect 'em) The original Woodstock was intended as a for-profit venture, didn't work out that way initially, but did ok eventually thanks to movie. And it was merched afterwards too. Bill Graham was in it for money too. If Phil and Bob, and some of the other musicians that played in 69 are ok with this by playing there today (saw 'em 7/12 there), I think we can be too. If you look at the line-up from the '94 event, which was in conjunction with the original promoters and some original musicians, you could call that questionable, maybe, but things change, so does the music, and i won't complain about it. After all, the original line-up was heterogeneous too, reflecting MOST of the type of music that was being made back then, not just acid-rock to pick out one.

Dude just look up the performance history. They got events going off all the time from no name country acts to Kelly Clarkson to Kid Rock. Not exactly Jimmy Hendrix level bro. Also, Bob Dylan sucks and he's always sucked.

Anyway, the sacred ground talk is a little silly IMO. It was a bunch of people getting high in a field to what everyone thought was cutting edge music. Not too far off from EDC/Mysteryland...although I think at this point Mysteryland seems like the better fit.

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Originally posted by Neonbeats Anyway, the sacred ground talk is a little silly IMO.

woodstock was a musical revolution, during a time of change in the country for kids rebelling against society with music that spoke for them.

"edm festivals" are a bunch of over privileged white people in neon shirts moshing to robot electro noises.

cmon now.

^^^^

agree with that assessment.

@neon:
" to what everyone thought was cutting edge
music"

thats absurd!
thought?
it was.
Havens, The Dead, Hendrix, Santana, just to name some.
Dylan sucks?
lol.
Hes never sung well, no doubt, but thats nit all there is.
you can say same of Bruce or Jerry.
so what.
Ever listen to Blood on the tracks?

same as EDC, in terms of scope of the lineup?
like again

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