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The Shure whitelabels arrived today, I'm impressed, best needles I ever came across.

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Originally posted by Juan Paulino The Shure whitelabels arrived today, I'm impressed, best needles I ever came across.

Really? That good?

Full review biarch! And please do an A/B with whatever other needles you have.

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Originally posted by Juan Paulino Correct tone arm calibration and choice of needles can have impact in quality on time code. You can choose a spherical stylus for scratching and cuing or elliptical for higher quality playback. The white labels are good and were made for DVS especially.

this is so fucking bullshit. you can use any needle that doesnt jump. the more wrecked the better. this is just midi, the mp3 and your soundcard + mixer is the only thing improving sound quality. another bullshit post about sound quality from you, just like your ssd statement. you never stop with your bullshit.

Ignore palm, i don't feel like giving in depth explanation on needles, maybe you should rann.

I think he's just mad cuz he can't beatmatch for shit with the shitty setup he has and is mad like every other dj around here,

for audio yes its important, not for midi.

oh and i can beatmatch better than any on here.

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Originally posted by clay for audio yes its important, not for midi.

what do u think of gabber music?

Well I have to agree h Clay, I don't see how the needles can affect the audio quality if we're talking DVS. Of course they can improve tracking and accuracy but even then you wouldn't need a higher end model.

You can always get an eypitcal which goes deeper into the groove and brings more sound reproduction than spherical type stylus, Think on that alone. There's more to it etc.

Than you have the ortolan s120 with the T invention of having any tracking force while still having full sound reproduction.

But dvs records don't contain any sound...

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Originally posted by Adam420 But dvs records don't contain any sound...

You never heard a time code signal before? by itself?

you mean that sort of whistling sound? So you're saying that sound is minimized with the white lables?

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Originally posted by Adam420 you mean that sort of whistling sound? So you're saying that sound is minimized with the white lables?

It seems you don't get it, that sound whistling sound is time code. If you want a proper full reproduction of that sound, shiity needles won't do you no good.

The majority of shit needles have low output and in traktor with the new update it will tell you.

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Originally posted by darouge11 So do the new cdj's... Are you going to say the numark is the industry CD player now?

What are you talking about douche11? What does sync have to do with industry standard? Im gonna take a shot in the dark here... you're either retarded or middle eastern. No comprendala!?

Just checked.... Canadian. That explains it

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Originally posted by Juan Paulino It seems you don't get it, that sound whistling sound is time code. If you want a proper full reproduction of that sound, shiity needles won't do you no good. The majority of shit needles have low output and in traktor with the new update it will tell you.

No thats the sound of your money going out the window.... traktor sucks almost as baf as your mixes

If you play on crappy needles, the timing will be off, as the tiny nuances between the timecode for 01:12:12:23 and 01:12:12:24 might not be picked up. A clean, and somewhat new, needle is as important as a clean, and somewhat new, timecode vinyl, if you want an emulation as close to the real thing as possible.
I've played on horrible needles where the moving the platter about a quarter beat back and forth could result in anything from a tiny move to several seconds. I was actually bad-mouthing the software for being unreliable, until I tried another setup. Turns out it was the old-school hardware that was faulty :P

Anyways, I don't know whether you're gonna hear or feel any perfomance improvement, with a whitelabel over a m477, when you're thinking of it's ability to pick up the time signal better, BUT.. I think it sits better in the groove and it's really, really nice on the records, wear-wise. As long as you're not scratching, where the m447's excel, then the whitelabel is pickup I'd choose any day.
Great for dj'ing EDM, and great for listening.
Makes old records sound like they've only been played 25 times.
20 bucks extra is not that much when your tonearm looks like an angry manta.

With serato your needles have to be pretty beat up to impact playback. Especially with the new performance series vinyl. And the shure m44g is my needle of choice. I would only get fussy with needles if I was playing actual records. The control signal is not hard for needles to read. My vinyl craps out before my needles do. I usually replace vinyl after 6 months and styli once a year.

Your the most retarded person on here. LOL

this thread makes me wanna kill myself.

good needles for timecode to be able to get "full reproduction of the sound"?

thats like putting silver into your midi cables and gold on the connections.

ROFL, some people do not understand the concept of the difference between control signals and actual audio.

yes better needles might give you better mixing abilities and pitch adjustment but the fucking mp3 is the same lol.

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Originally posted by Juan Paulino Your the most retarded person on here. LOL

No you are...

Zero latency?
Full reproduction of the sound of a control signal?

At least u have an awsome setup and make awsome mixes!

Oh for fuck's sake people.

Just in case any noobs are reading, let's clarify:

The quality of your needles, tonearm, decks WILL NOT affect audio sound quality on a DVS system.

It will however affect the tracking, wow and flutter, strength of the control signal and clarity of the control signal.

Wow and flutter CAN affect the audio quality because it will directly affect the pitch with is a distortion of time and therefore key, often in an unpredictable manner which in translates to a degraded reproduction of the original sound.

The control signal needs to be clean so the system can accurately reproduce the correct speed and placement, so while clarity in terms of the signal is not paramount as it is with analogue vinyl, there is still a audio quality related issue with the accuracy of control signal and components used to pick it up.

What people don't realize is that the control signals used are actually a pair of complex signals, out of phase with each other, one of the L and the other on the R. If you needles aren't setup correctly or worn, then it's going to be difficult to pick up both channels and then the system is not going to be able to accurately reproduce the exact speed and placement (which again for the reasons above is technically degradation on sound).

Also bear in mind that these programs still have to translate the positioning information in to a constant manipulation of the audio file, and especially with MP3 where the data bit depth is already compromised and you're going through a codec as part of the internal processing, tiny changes in speed/placement can really have the effect of degrading the perceived playback quality.

Now in the case of serato, which uses the "noise map", you could argue that quality of signal is even more crucial as that "map" needs to be correctly reproduced to track correctly.

Having said all this, let's get real: You are not going to be able to tell the difference in sound quality between any decent needle on any decent turntable (not belt drive) that is set up properly, using clean control vinyl, versus the best Shure Needles, on Mk5gs with gold RCA's connectors that has been painstakingly setup by a seasoned professional.

The quality of the track will have 100 times more effect on how it sounds than the example above will.

So to simplify: Will better kit affect the tracking? Yes. Will better kit affect audio reproduction quality? No.

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