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Originally posted by itsamemario lol u noob mac fanboiiiii. there are seven ways to cancel that. but any smart person would have bothered filling out page asking u about automatic updates when installing the OS, instead of just hitting next like a fucking noob _YOU_ made that problem, not Windows And none of the other scenarios have ever happened to me, and I'm also using a Asus laptop.. So I'm gonna say it's all user error that's fucking up your computer.

Sorry Alfi, I know you're always at least in semi troll mode so I always take what you say with a lorry full of salt, but you can't try to blame user error on what everyone knows is a bloated turd of an OS. Windows 8 is a fucking joke, windows 7 took two service packs to get up to the stability of XP which sadly for Micro$oft, was the last decent OS they were able to make.

Bear in mind, I built audio PC's for a living for 5 years ans started programming my own games at age 6 so I know a little about computers

The critical windows updates are not user selectable so it's not a matter of having automatic updates switched off ...but here's the irony of what you're suggesting:

As I have automatic updates switched off I've missed over 100 updates by windows (as mentioned, I lost count at around 130) and that means none of those needed bug fixes, security patches, and system tweaks are getting applied, so it's damned if you do, and fisted if you don't.

You're absolutely deluded if you think Windows 7 or 8 aren't embarrassments. M$ just announced that, wait for it, 30% of the worlds PC's still haven't switched to another OS. Sure, a chunk of those are your mum and dad who still don't like that stuff that comes out of wires to make light and heat etc, but there's also big chunk of people of who saw Vista, Win7 and Win8 and just quietly said, Lol, not going to happen.

And guess what M$'s official statement was about xp? We are discontinuing support for XP, and that means the OS will suddenly become awash with virii and malware, so you better buy one one of our new operating systems now.

So M$ knows that XP is going to get flooded with virii and malware do they? Funny that especially considering sales of Win 8 have been so poor.

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Originally posted by itsamemario And you're totally wrong on the mac pro's gonna sell. They're not. Mac as a desktop is something only old farts cling to. They've tipped, all reports support this, and they're not likely to invest much money in an ever-decreasing market, being the cash-hungry company they are. But don't worry, soon you will get Logic for your MacPad, and it will be as powerful as any mac pro has ever been. the design of the new mac pro is proof of this. that round tube looking thing doesnt even resemble a desktop/workstation. it's the last-gen hybrid thing, before they scrap the line altogether. It's the fucking iTrashcan.

I could well be wrong, but given what i know, I believe they'll sell like fucking hotcakes. I actually agree that this shape/incantation may well be the last gen of apple pro's in a desktop form, but that's because the gap between imac and mac pro has been getting ever smaller. The processing you can get out of a an all in one, especially given the value of said computers is starting to negate the need for dedicated "pro" level computers all together. I have been the one arguing on here that moores law is slowing to a crawl.

One thing you're missing though alfi, is that the average web surfing pleb or office dweeb is no longer buying desktops, and that used to be the lions share of the market. Those breeds are buying tablets/surfaces as they don't need more and it fits with the mobile nature of business now.
But professional users can't use photoshop/illustrator/indesign on an ipad or surface. We can't mix a score with 500+ tracks on even your top of the line macbook pro.

For anyone using computers in a time = $ environment, the Mac Pro's can't come soon enough.

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Originally posted by UrbanNinja I use my samsung windows laptop for djing now because i get better response than the mac but when it comes to producing call me a apple fan boy.

but does your samsung has pcie ssd with better audio? didnt think so. to get max out of your djeing you need ssd you know.

It's all about personal preference I actually bought the PC for gaming and one day decided hey lets try traktor did my a/b test wit my
MBP and I desired the Samsung PC without SSD. I'll buy a new PC with PCIE when it comes out

Only problem is that I'm spinning at 512 latency

PCs are fucking stressful. You need to know alot of computers do run a smooth build and you cannot go on the internet and well, the amount of time you actually put in running the system. I really don't see how this is a preference but rather something forced upon users that refuse to pay the money they are charging for the same fucking computer they sold 4 years ago ......


and if you want to do networking between computers, you need a BA in computer science for things to run well.

Having said that, they are more powerful. I just use it for streaming samples and running big chains of fx and it seems to just be more efficient.

And I also recently got into design as a hobby and pcs just have more options for video cards

Windows 7 has been flawless for me - easily the best Windows ive ever used

(i still want a new Mac Pro )

has it been tho ?

i mean from purchase to play. how many hours. How many updates. restarts. What a pita to

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney has it been tho ? i mean from purchase to play. how many hours. How many updates. restarts. What a pita to

That's what I'm getting at. Windows 7 is a damn site better than Windows 8 but all the updates, addons, virus programs, malware removers, and that's aside from the fact you have do to several hours of things to the OS in terms of options just to get optimum performance out of it (and you can search on here for the list of tips I did to optimise Windows 7).

Some programs require you to install very large missing components like (.net framework) and as Richie says, if you really don't want to worry about it, then have it isolated from the net.......awwww, snap. no updates for you unless you to the redistributable method but again after doing that 140 times you will telling Tim cook to shut up take your parents money.

Videocards are for more abundant for PC's - it's the nature of the beast; Apple are designed to work with a few aprroved choices of hardware and the EFI and OS are built with that in mind and is therefore far less bloated.

Windows has always tried to be all things to all people in all configurations. More flexible yes (by far), but far more conflicts, bugs, updates, drivers, patches etc.

Once you get past the "I love tinkering" phase with computers, you just don't care. I know a lot of people that love their PC's because they love to endlessly tinker or see it as a challenge to do something. I see the merit and still do it myself from time to time, but daily use, or when you're trying to work or just want the thing to work? No, thanks.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN That's what I'm getting at. Windows 7 is a damn site better than Windows 8 but all the updates, addons, virus programs, malware removers, and that's aside from the fact you have do to several hours of things to the OS in terms of options just to get optimum performance out of it (and you can search on here for the list of tips I did to optimise Windows 7). Some programs require you to install very large missing components like (.net framework) and as Richie says, if you really don't want to worry about it, then have it isolated from the net.......awwww, snap. no updates for you unless you to the redistributable method but again after doing that 140 times you will telling Tim cook to shut up take your parents money. Videocards are for more abundant for PC's - it's the nature of the beast; Apple are designed to work with a few aprroved choices of hardware and the EFI and OS are built with that in mind and is therefore far less bloated. Windows has always tried to be all things to all people in all configurations. More flexible yes (by far), but far more conflicts, bugs, updates, drivers, patches etc. Once you get past the "I love tinkering" phase with computers, you just don't care. I know a lot of people that love their PC's because they love to endlessly tinker or see it as a challenge to do something. I see the merit and still do it myself from time to time, but daily use, or when you're trying to work or just want the thing to work? No, thanks.

hmmmmmmm

well, for me the updates are optional, i dont have to install them if i dont want to - but if i do then they install in the background
Windows will prompt to install but this can be postponed up to 4hrs - should really be an option "postpone until next reboot"

As for optimizing Windows 7 - have never seen the need to further optimize it personally, its grand how it is for me - i often wonder is this where problems begin when people start tinkering with various hidden settings and the like

also no virus scanners or malware removers for me - havent needed them (PC is always connected to the internet also)

my PC is custom built so maybe this has something to do with the stability i experience? i dont know....

p.s. im also an OS X user

I had to manually set the timing and voltage of my ram. Regular 1600 dual channel . I mean if you were like a due step producer, what the fuck would you do .

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Originally posted by evo8 hmmmmmmm well, for me the updates are optional, i dont have to install them if i dont want to - but if i do then they install in the background Windows will prompt to install but this can be postponed up to 4hrs - should really be an option "postpone until next reboot"

But that's my point. If you don't get the optional updates, then you're fucked as your computer will have all the bugs and security issues and probably needed compenents missing. Prompt to install only lets you postpone by a max for four hours and at some point you have to give in and let it do it. Mac? You get a reminder and they just install next time you power down and it's all automatic.

IT IS FUCKING PROMPTING ME RIGHT NOW

HOW MANY FUCKING UPDATES DO YOU NEED WINDOWS?

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Originally posted by evo8 As for optimizing Windows 7 - have never seen the need to further optimize it personally, its grand how it is for me - i often wonder is this where problems begin when people start tinkering with various hidden settings and the like

And that means you're missing out on about 15% better performance. Again, it goes back to the thing about windows having to be all things to all people; there's so many processes going on that don't apply to our uses as DAW's that by not switching them off, you're losing that extra performance. Christ, just switching off the stuff to make windows look nice will get you about 7%.

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Originally posted by evo8 also no virus scanners or malware removers for me - havent needed them (PC is always connected to the internet also)

I liken this to Richie's annual trip to Thailand; just because he doesn;t go to the clinic when he comes back, doesn't mean he's not go the Hiv. You know what I mean? Same thing.

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Originally posted by evo8 my PC is custom built so maybe this has something to do with the stability i experience? i dont know.... p.s. im also an OS X user

Nothing to do with it. You probably experience a little more performance because your was custom built and didn't have all the extra bloatware that comes with off the shelf PC's these days.

First thing I do if I buy a new laptop is format it. I don't bother trying to use it until that is done first. But then it's a minimum of a 4 hours process just to get it all setup again. I mean shit, even with an SSD and using the unmanned install option still takes windows 45 mins, and that's before you have to install all your device drivers and programs.

And yes, I've also had to do shit like fuck with Ram voltages and clock cycles just to get shit working as it should do.

As mentioned previously, intels built in video chip on this laptop only works properly with a specific historic video driver version, and guess what? Windows keeps hassling me to change it to the latest, so I can have BSOD all over again.

I still like windows for certain things but when even Bill Gates is admitting our PC's would be at least a decade more advanced had they not been competing and by their own admission, M$ didn't purposely go the adverse and less efficient way around things just because Apple came up with it first and they needed to be different, should make you question why you use it.

This thing about the extra performance from tweaks... if these gains are there to be had then i dont understand why MS dont have these features enabled from the get-go??
There have to be reasons why these things are disabled by default, no? 15% sounds like a lot to be gained

Having to change RAM timings and CPU clock speeds just to get Windows to work - you shouldnt have to do that, i cant explain that one

anyways, horses for courses and all that

but it happen. i mean its rare. probably a bios update wi. fis it but considering it is 6 months old. the ram is very regular.

There is also the fucking registry. Lets put everything in a database were a single error will fuck things but not right away. Slowly so that all our backups are fucked.

And , if you want to reinstall something, forget about just copying the old preference files , nope , i mean they really do make things very complicated. I'm sure there is a reason and use but for music ?

I like the extra control. But it just isn't worth it. if mac made like OSX for people that pick the organize myself option for iTunes , and turn off the disk indexing. its basically osx but we assume you are stupid, but not a retard. now that would be great.

windows is like, so like something is gonna happen , and you will have no fusing idea what is going on. And its funny because we all get to plane the other. naw hardware issue , nope this is definaetly the software. Hmm seems to be the usb chip is not compatible with the sata protocol which makes no sense but we decided to make them integrated so that well, we never get fucked so this is fun for us.

Windows is just too involved for a user platform. Most people need 5% . And the overhead, well , lets say setting up a network, now you have more control , but it is fucking excruciating in that , look local networks , well perhaps they could assume, i think a lot of people are gonna have just 2 3 computers, lets just make it so that they just find each other and work. Great idea except without 20 layers of abstraction, well a virus is guaranteed. the one that fucks all the exes, then fucks the exes on the other networks.

i mean windows 7, for the average person , well its xp. i'm sorry. the change is so small for the average use. I mean when i had issuesm all the solitons were basically xp workarounds. And then sometimes, they make it hard to have control. Like networking, the startard portal for setting that up is so fucking stupid.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Sorry Alfi, I know you're always at least in semi troll mode so I always take what you say with a lorry full of salt, but you can't try to blame user error on what everyone knows is a bloated turd of an OS. Windows 8 is a fucking joke, windows 7 took two service packs to get up to the stability of XP which sadly for Micro$oft, was the last decent OS they were able to make. Bear in mind, I built audio PC's for a living for 5 years ans started programming my own games at age 6 so I know a little about computers The critical windows updates are not user selectable so it's not a matter of having automatic updates switched off ...but here's the irony of what you're suggesting: As I have automatic updates switched off I've missed over 100 updates by windows (as mentioned, I lost count at around 130) and that means none of those needed bug fixes, security patches, and system tweaks are getting applied, so it's damned if you do, and fisted if you don't. You're absolutely deluded if you think Windows 7 or 8 aren't embarrassments. M$ just announced that, wait for it, 30% of the worlds PC's still haven't switched to another OS. Sure, a chunk of those are your mum and dad who still don't like that stuff that comes out of wires to make light and heat etc, but there's also big chunk of people of who saw Vista, Win7 and Win8 and just quietly said, Lol, not going to happen. And guess what M$'s official statement was about xp? We are discontinuing support for XP, and that means the OS will suddenly become awash with virii and malware, so you better buy one one of our new operating systems now. So M$ knows that XP is going to get flooded with virii and malware do they? Funny that especially considering sales of Win 8 have been so poor. I could well be wrong, but given what i know, I believe they'll sell like fucking hotcakes. I actually agree that this shape/incantation may well be the last gen of apple pro's in a desktop form, but that's because the gap between imac and mac pro has been getting ever smaller. The processing you can get out of a an all in one, especially given the value of said computers is starting to negate the need for dedicated "pro" level computers all together. I have been the one arguing on here that moores law is slowing to a crawl. [quote]One thing you're missing though alfi, is that the average web surfing pleb or office dweeb is no longer buying desktops, and that used to be the lions share of the market. Those breeds are buying tablets/surfaces as they don't need more and it fits with the mobile nature of business now. But professional users can't use photoshop/illustrator/indesign on an ipad or surface. We can't mix a score with 500+ tracks on even your top of the line macbook pro. For anyone using computers in a time = $ environment, the Mac Pro's can't come soon enough.

All visual work will move to tablets when they get powerful enough (+/- two years). Just look at it, it's made for it, what fits better to fix picture on than a digital pic frame?
You're totally right on yur assessment on random internetters moving from desktop/laptops to tabs. Music is one f the few that will stay on desktop scenario, as the amount of peripheral devices just makes mucis making a sit-down-an-do kinda thing, as opposed to increasingly popular work-as-you-go. But that's kinda what I tried to say with "increasingly niche market"

As for your OS choice, well Win8 just says it all right there.
Who would build a music production rig on Win8? It's not even a year old, and it was released with messages to music producers to at least wait to upgrade. And basically it's a phone OS, so why u would u
But that's the beauty of Windows OS. It might not fit all the tasks, but there are releases that excel in the areas. And you don't NEED to run the newest OS, even tho Apple have imprinted that you need to upgrade NAO!
Win 7 U-64bit is perfect for music production. I've had zero problems with this machine, if you exclude trying to install the Vulpes Zedra crack for SimCity lol. Yes, that's right. I produce music and play pirated games on the same computer. Plus I venture some pretty dark porn sites. Guess what? It works perfectly. And I don't think I'm particularly "good at computers", even tho I'm often asked to fix other ppls pc's. The worst thing is when they say they have a broken computer and they bring me a mac. I just laugh at them and say sorry.
I once spent 45 minutes trying to open the internet browser, it was on an iMac. Whoever thinks/said Mac's "are just more logical" should be killed imo as they're blatanly spewing random bullshit like a fucking spambot.
I dunno man, I've had one breakdown in two yrs on this computer, and that was a hd crashing from doing 24/7 read/write operations, and it was an old HD too. Lol, i need to turn off my comps a little more often :P thats the only problem, so cant really tell what youre doing wrong. and of course u can turn all updates off. u just need to dive a little deeper. probably in another menu alltogether, cus leaving an option like that in the open would be akin to cool a pie on the window cill, somebodys gonna touch it and get burned.
Google will usually tell u what folder and sub-menus etc to look in for obscure options. Hidden but still there. Which is more than u can say about Apple products, and they only work because they cant really do anything. Only rudimentary functions at best, portrayed to be high-tech.

Windows is not Linux, but it's hell of a lot better than any OS that has ever come from Apple in the post-iPad era. Apple needs to step back from the proprietary software for prop hardware, and move back to the PowerPC-model, or get out of the computer game alltogeter and instead concentrate on gadgets. Their failure to do so almost bankrupted them in the 90s, had it not been for MS been forced to intervene.

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Originally posted by evo8 This thing about the extra performance from tweaks... if these gains are there to be had then i dont understand why MS dont have these features enabled from the get-go?? There have to be reasons why these things are disabled by default, no? 15% sounds like a lot to be gained

They aren't disabled. They're just hidden. Because there is too much that can go wrong if you insert the wrong numbers. It's stuff you're not really supposed to tinker with until you have a pretty good command of the OS.

And the reason why the OS isn't set to exploit all possible system resources, is because it is designed to work on everything from a phone to gaming rig, no matter who made the components and in what way they are screwed together, as long they meet the bare minimum powerpc specifications.

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Having to change RAM timings and CPU clock speeds just to get Windows to work - you shouldnt have to do that, i cant explain that one

User error. He probably tried to overclock his computer, and is to embarassed about messing it up that he's saying it happened when he "first set it up". Alternatively, he bought the wrong fucking RAM. I mean, come on, the guy even managed to fuck up his master boot record by simply installing a new hd. The guy is obviously not that technically inclined.

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Originally posted by itsamemario All visual work will move to tablets when they get powerful enough (+/- two years). Just look at it, it's made for it, what fits better to fix picture on than a digital pic frame?

It will never happen. Unless you started adding all sorts of peripheral devices like pen pads (graphic tablets) and key command controllers it will never work. As easy to use as tablets are, they have an inherent limitation in terms of the interface.

Any pro graphics users, know they have their fingers permanently hovering over 6+ keys to activate over a 100 commonly used key commands. Unless we start getting tactile/responsive displays on tablets, you simply do not have the required control options to manipulate a program like photoshop which has over 6000 discrete functions.

That then means they would have to dumb down the graphics programs to work on the platform (see windows 8 for how well that worked out).

Unless there is some groundbreaking interface development with tablets, they will be limited to consumer devices with some pro-sumer cross over at best (i.e. using them as a peripheral devices for a master host program like logic does)

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Originally posted by itsamemario You're totally right on yur assessment on random internetters moving from desktop/laptops to tabs. Music is one f the few that will stay on desktop scenario, as the amount of peripheral devices just makes mucis making a sit-down-an-do kinda thing, as opposed to increasingly popular work-as-you-go. But that's kinda what I tried to say with "increasingly niche market"

But that "niche" market is bigger than ever and only getting bigger. Every muppet out there can now make music on a computer with sequencer and a few plugs. The ease of access is making the market bigger. Look at Guitar center (or whatever equivalent you have in the land Norse) - the products have shifted form boring but functional, to brightly coloured toy like devices to attract the general consumer. There's never been so many "budget" lines of equipment on sale - just look at how many budget monitors have been released in the last 5 years. I would say the number has at least doubled in the last 10 years.

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Originally posted by itsamemario As for your OS choice, well Win8 just says it all right there. Who would build a music production rig on Win8? It's not even a year old, and it was released with messages to music producers to at least wait to upgrade. And basically it's a phone OS, so why u would u But that's the beauty of Windows OS. It might not fit all the tasks, but there are releases that excel in the areas. And you don't NEED to run the newest OS, even tho Apple have imprinted that you need to upgrade NAO!

I have win8 as my business's POS system - nothing to do with audio. I had to go windows 8 as the peripheral devices supplied (credit card readers, receipt printers etc) by the platform are only verified for windows 8. M$ did not release those messages to producers; all the 3rd part audio manufacturers did as they saw it a holy clusterfuck. M$ would have you believe that it;s amazing at everything.

Why do you think the chief spokesperson for M$ said you ******s still on XP better drop it because we're releasing a wave of rape in the form of virii and malware that you'll no longer get any help with?

Because people won't drop the legacy versions that actually work, opposed to the new products that are a horrible and ill fated attempt to but both a tablet and desktop OS

I said before, a lot of M$'s decisions are not based on what is actually good or what would spock do? They are designed to be different from apple, and in many cases it's made no sense and resulted in worse performance.

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Originally posted by itsamemario Win 7 U-64bit is perfect for music production. I've had zero problems with this machine, if you exclude trying to install the Vulpes Zedra crack for SimCity lol. Yes, that's right. I produce music and play pirated games on the same computer. Plus I venture some pretty dark porn sites. Guess what? It works perfectly. And I don't think I'm particularly "good at computers", even tho I'm often asked to fix other ppls pc's.

My PC latop (and main workhorse) is Win7. I like it but it's barely any different from XP. In fact, they had to pull a U-turn from the Vista pathway and Windows 7 was just like a sligt revamp of xp, yet we had to wait 5 years for it.

Don't get me wrong, apple have made mistakes too with Lion etc (although no where near the fall out of ME or Vista).

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Originally posted by itsamemario I once spent 45 minutes trying to open the internet browser, it was on an iMac.

Lol, I might actually make this my sig. Did you try switching it off and on again?

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Originally posted by itsamemario I dunno man, I've had one breakdown in two yrs on this computer, and that was a hd crashing from doing 24/7 read/write operations, and it was an old HD too. Lol, i need to turn off my comps a little more often :P thats the only problem, so cant really tell what youre doing wrong. and of course u can turn all updates off. u just need to dive a little deeper. probably in another menu alltogether, cus leaving an option like that in the open would be akin to cool a pie on the window cill, somebodys gonna touch it and get burned. Google will usually tell u what folder and sub-menus etc to look in for obscure options. Hidden but still there. Which is more than u can say about Apple products, and they only work because they cant really do anything. Only rudimentary functions at best, portrayed to be high-tech.

I'm doing nothing wrong, unless you call installing legit programs "wrong". I will give you an exact example of why i'll never use a PC for time sensitive or time = $$$ projects:

I had to do some really in depth accounting with my CPA for business end of year stuff. I buy quickbooks brand new from Amazon.

once downloaded, the install fails twice due to "an unknown error". Cheers windows. 3rd time, goes without a hitch.

So I'm working with my accountant for four hours, doing a regular save. My CPA costs $300 per hour. In the last hour we're finishing up. Windows freezes. "explorer has encountered an error and needs to close".

FUCK.

Can't access anything.

Now what?

BLUESCREEN.

Not just bluescreen but failed memory dump as well.And guess what, when I check the error report, it comes up as incompatible memory. Really. This is the memory that was supplied by asus.

So now, because the mem dump failed, my last autosave is gone and I have to spend another hour and $300 with my CPA.

Thanks windows. You can say whatever the fuck you want, but my 6 year old imac has never pulled anything close to this.

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Originally posted by itsamemario Windows is not Linux, but it's hell of a lot better than any OS that has ever come from Apple in the post-iPad era. Apple needs to step back from the proprietary software for prop hardware, and move back to the PowerPC-model, or get out of the computer game altogether and instead concentrate on gadgets. Their failure to do so almost bankrupted them in the 90s, had it not been for MS been forced to intervene.

I agree that apple needs to get the fuck out of games - they just need to leave it alone. Linux, while good in theory is an absolute clusterfuck for anything other than an incredibly niche/specific application. It's solid as a rock once you're there but getting there is like being a busty redhead, wearing skimpy clothes and trying to hitch-hike across the southern state. You 'gon get...

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Originally posted by itsamemario They aren't disabled. They're just hidden. Because there is too much that can go wrong if you insert the wrong numbers. It's stuff you're not really supposed to tinker with until you have a pretty good command of the OS.

Bullshit. You don't have to enter any number anywhere. I'm not tlaking about any regedits. These are all things you adjust with control panel and menu options. It's got nothing to do with delving in to the internal code - it's simple bloatware aspects that need to be disabled and they're there because....

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Originally posted by itsamemario the reason why the OS isn't set to exploit all possible system resources, is because it is designed to work on everything from a phone to gaming rig, no matter who made the components and in what way they are screwed together, as long they meet the bare minimum powerpc specifications.

And therin lies the problem. I don't want to have to deal with an OS that is crippled in bloat because some peasant in Norway needs to still use his 90's deskptop and it has to be backwards compatible or that my OS is meant to work on some poorly conceived tablet.

Haha linux is super easy man. I even got FL studio working with ASIO with very little effort. VST-plugins and all!
Linux being hard to use is propaganda spread by Apple and M$.
I think now that Steam is finally on Linux, and it had been ready for a long time, there were just u know.. financial reasons to wait..
Anyways yeah, now that it's on Linux you'll see more and more gaming rigs being sold pre-installed and optimized for Linux. And as soon as sheeple start seeing the superior perfomance Linux can get from the hardware, you'll see more software being written to take advantage of the clutter free environment. And just because the OS is free doesn't mean people arent willing to pay for the software, even tho ppl would try to make it so. With no OS cost, software prices could even justifiably go up.
Linux WILL take over, it's just a matter of how long it will take hehe. Ten years, and you'll have Linux versions for all major software.
With all the delicious new DE's and GUI's it's no different using a Windows or Mac compared to Linux. You have some that emulate both, and others that just go crazy ways and re-imagining what it should be to manouver a desktop with a mouse.

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Bullshit. You don't have to enter any number anywhere. I'm not tlaking about any regedits. These are all things you adjust with control panel and menu options. It's got nothing to do with delving in to the internal code - it's simple bloatware aspects that need to be disabled and they're there because....

That comment was about overclocking your computer like a pro. not really sure what yur getting at..

financial reasons to wait ?

they aren't the ones footing the bill for porting it to a platform that will never be economically viable. Like iTunes saying sure, death progressive can be a genre.

windows is hard.
You don't seem to understand that stuff like port forwarding is black magic for most users.

port forwarding is something you do in a router, which is separate from your OS, separate even from your computer, and it the same on windows and Mac!

financial reasons. yup. as in they wanted to do one last clearance sale before people started purchasing Linux versions, and they were given a not-unsubstantial amount of money to wait from third parties who had a lot of money to lose should Steam come for Linux at that time. financial reasons.

footing the bill for porting it? it was "ported" years ago. and it's not fucking console games ffs. all you need to do is go "make install" in the terminal and it compiles and installs everything for you.
you seem to have a really childish understanding of Linux and computers in general and the current voices of the market.

not economically viable? for whom?
the producers of most linux os state in their agenda that earning money isn't their end-goal, they just want an OS that does what it's supposed to do, and when they're done making it, anyones free to use it.
so you mean it not economically viable for the software producers? in what sense? how is it not economically viable to create software for an OS that is easier to program for, and you don't exclude 50% of the software buying stock because they're "on the other kind of machine".

When is the last time you've tried Linux? Have you even tried Linux?

you are missing the point,


I mentioned port forwarding to highlight how most people find this beyond comprehension. And you expect people to have to open a the command line to trouble shoot inevitable issues with an open ended platform which will happen.

In terms of portability, i think it is rather your lack of knowledge how games are made , and it seems unless you meant something else then my bad but just a lack of understanding overall ? I mean a simple thing such as case sensitive type, some games don't support OpenGL, the games are not already ported, unless you are referring to those half assed wine ports. It is a little more complex that clicking install.

And no, there will never be enough paying customers using that open os to make a profit , while providing support and all that jazz.

linux doesnt support my wifi. which is kinda the first step in maslows rule of need.

I know this thread is related to Disk management, but maybe someone can help

I'm looking for a new 2TB hardrive (NO SSD) to add to my DAW. It will be the main drive, I have had some bad experiences with many brands like WD, Seagate etc. So I'm not a fan of any of them and has no preference I jus t want a harddrive that wokrs OK able to withstand heavy read/write work.

As I said I'm looking for a 2TB SATA3 harddrive, so any recommendation will be great

thanks in advance!

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Originally posted by beamrider I'm looking for a new 2TB hardrive (NO SSD) to add to my DAW. It will be the main drive, I have had some bad experiences with many brands like WD, Seagate etc. So I'm not a fan of any of them and has no preference I jus t want a harddrive that wokrs OK able to withstand heavy read/write work.

Any particular reason you want a 2TB drive for you main system drive? All drives are subject to failure, that's just a reality. The more you have stored on a single drive, the more you have to lose. Do you have a backup drive? If not, and this is a desktop computer and you have enough HD slots, I'd consider going with two drives - a smaller capacity drive for the system drive and a larger one for storage and to backup your system drive.

Dave's absolutely right. You should have one smallish main drive for your OS, 250g should do it as nearly every OS doesn't take up more than 60gig all said and done.

Hard drive failure will happen, so you're better off compartmentalizing your uses to spread the risk. Do regular backups of your content drives (os doesn't matter as you can just start from scratch etc) and that way if any of them go you just restore a backup and you're done.

I have an OS main drive which is a samsung SSD, then 4 external (2 x FW, 1 x USB3 and 1 x USB2). One for music projects, one for business stuff, one for media such as samples and movies and one as a time machine backup. I then have a dropbox pro account for the really vital, chuck_yourself_off_a_bridge_if_you_lose_this stuff.

As one very kind musician said to me when I managed to wipe the entire drive containing the 5 hour drum session we'd just recordedwith one of the most respected film score composers:

"There are two types of pro tools engineers in this world; those who have lost data, and those who are about to"

I'm using 2 80gb SSD drives as system drive, then a 120Gb drive as project recording drive, then a 20TB 10 bay Synology NAS as centralized network storage via GBit
The system drive gets snapshotted everry week as backup image on the NAS
The recording drive gets mirrored after every studio,session.

Completed project are stored on a seperate shared folder on the NAS.
Since i got 32GB (64bit OS and DAW) memory, in my DAW nowadays I seldom use the D drive but stream and render directly from/to the NAS works flawless

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