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Originally posted by eyepad i want that. probably out of my budget tho.

guy in the video says under $1500 - God knows what that will translate into euro as

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Originally posted by evo8 guy in the video says under $1500 - God knows what that will translate into euro as

Oh I don't know, �1499 perhaps.

A couple of new Waves plugins, Metafilter and Abbey Road Reel ADT (Artifical Double Tracking). Both are apparently available at an intro price of $99:

The V25 (the smaller one) looks to me like the perfect mini keyboard. Bigger keys AND pitch/mod wheels. It's not as portable as some, but I still like it.

A lot.

Eiosis' new controller for its Air EQ.



http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/hom...controller.html

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Originally posted by tehlord The V25 (the smaller one) looks to me like the perfect mini keyboard. Bigger keys AND pitch/mod wheels. It's not as portable as some, but I still like it. A lot.

I REALLY like the look of that. Big keys (the nearly look weighted?) and the drum pads are a nice touch. Hmmmmmmm

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney you really have to pay for an actual weighted keyboard.

Weighted keys are not appropriate for all things. I already have a Yamaha keyboard with their graded hammer technology (best in the biz) for strings, piano and such. I need a good synth action keyboard for drums, leads and so on.

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Originally posted by tehlord The V25 (the smaller one) looks to me like the perfect mini keyboard. Bigger keys AND pitch/mod wheels. It's not as portable as some, but I still like it.

I'll give this a try when it comes out, but I'm not particularly impressed. I think the location of the drum pads is retarded, for two reasons.

1. You can't use your right hand for drums. That's the whole reason why other controllers have them above the keybed.

2. The pitch/mod wheels are now in a bad position, relative to the keybed.

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Originally posted by tehlord I don't know why Yamaha don't take a clavinova keybed, put 8 faders and knobs on it, give it good connectivity and laugh at the thousands of units they sell at $1500

There would only be 3 people in the world that buy it, unfortunately.

You don't need a good keyboard to tap in a big room house melody at full velocity or sidechain maximum analog on the drop.

New keyboard from Behringer.

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Originally posted by echosystm There would only be 3 people in the world that buy it, unfortunately.

I actually know more than 3 that would buy it.

The score/game market is big. Almost all of them are trained musicians in some way and a large weighted midi controller with modwheels and sliders is pretty much what they're looking for. Sliders are important for expression etc.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Arturia BeatStep looks sorta cool, and very cheap ($129 Retail/$99 street). May need one of these for the lappy. http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en...Step/intro.html

yep, nice and cheap, wouldnt take up too much space

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these interfaces with built in dsp are a smart move from uaudio i think - its hard to get people buying PCI cards these days and then buy their plugins, i dont think i would do it again if i hadnt already got my cards years ago

This way u buy a nice tidy audio interface, a few vouchers included as ever i assume, which gets u into the plugin world and as any uad owner knows its hard to resist buying plugs after demo-ing them especially if theres a sale etc...

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Originally posted by echosystm Weighted keys are not appropriate for all things. I already have a Yamaha keyboard with their graded hammer technology (best in the biz) for strings, piano and such. I need a good synth action keyboard for drums, leads and so on. .

there is a right way and wrong way hitting the keyboard . The wrong way makes non weighted keys that have no resistance somewhat ok. If you are ok with that, you don't know how to play. There are just so many fucking piano players on the planet that if anything has a demand, well i would say a decent weighted controller would be one.

and kawai is generally considered a lot better in terms of action.

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Originally posted by echosystm New keyboard from Behringer.

That's actually quite interesting, and $249 is pretty amazing value but it's a shame the faders are so short throw.

I wish someone would just bring out a 24 or 32 motorized fader controller that was quiet (although they are noisy, I've never understood why behringer didn't just join 3 or 4 of the BCF2000 units).

Like this guy:




The good news from this keyboard is the guy states they are touch sensitive, which was always a downfall of the BCF range - it means Behringer has the capacity to do this. I would love to see a Mk2 or a larger flying fader controller.

I might just buy one for Richie.

Not sure if anyone is into guitars, but Ibanez had a lot of interesting stuff this year.

Jackson and Caparison had some high-end 7 strings I may check out in the near future.

The bootsy Warwick is apparently under a grand. So getting that

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Originally posted by DJ RANN That's actually quite interesting, and $249 is pretty amazing value but it's a shame the faders are so short throw. I wish someone would just bring out a 24 or 32 motorized fader controller that was quiet (although they are noisy, I've never understood why behringer didn't just join 3 or 4 of the BCF2000 units). Like this guy: The good news from this keyboard is the guy states they are touch sensitive, which was always a downfall of the BCF range - it means Behringer has the capacity to do this. I would love to see a Mk2 or a larger flying fader controller. I might just buy one for Richie.

Those things are so fucking loud.

I just use a nice keyboard with a flat top were I can set my iPads if I need sliders.
the euphonix mix and artist are attached to a panel that flips with the piano. It is rather clever. I also use 2 apogee duets to use 2 iPads as synth with external fx chain. They sound fantastic. 4 in all. The new ones for audio, the ipad 4s for controllers.

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Originally posted by tehlord I actually know more than 3 that would buy it. The score/game market is big.

I know more than 3 that would buy it too; I was exaggerating. Anyway, you miss my point. The typical producer has no appreciation of this shit whatsoever. If I was in the business and I just wanted to make money, I wouldn't make the perfect keyboard either; I'd make a "dope ass" keyboard with lots of lights and knobs that barely work, to pander to the biggest share of retards possible.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney there is a right way and wrong way hitting the keyboard . The wrong way makes non weighted keys that have no resistance somewhat ok. If you are ok with that, you don't know how to play.

I don't understand what your point is. Are you arguing that weighted keys are good for all purposes? A weighted key cannot bounce back fast enough for fast drums or leads with a lot of trill/sputter. This isn't opinion; it's fact.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney and kawai is generally considered a lot better in terms of action.

I don't know where you got that idea from. The Kawai vs. Yamaha debate has been going on since forever. I happen to prefer Yamaha.

With kawai won with their new action on digital keyboards which is right now twist realistic unless we include actual pianos that can double as a digital controller.

And yes, weighted keys , given you know how to play properly , is always preferable because the tension gives you a rebound allowing better control. You can't play fast on piano that ha no counter weight. That is physics. Same with say drum pedals, the faster thou play, the tighter he spring. You have it backwards, it is the weighted systems that give you that bounce ...

We can have a trill off if you want to make his gay.

I use a Yamaha because the intro kawai is 2000. And I go thru pianos yearly and I ain't spending money on something that will have to be replaced in a year.


Fucking ipad. I only use net. at tea time at cafe.

And for drums , why are you not using Vdrums.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney Those things are so fucking loud. I just use a nice keyboard with a flat top were I can set my iPads if I need sliders. the euphonix mix and artist are attached to a panel that flips with the piano. It is rather clever. I also use 2 apogee duets to use 2 iPads as synth with external fx chain. They sound fantastic. 4 in all. The new ones for audio, the ipad 4s for controllers.

They are so fucking loud but they do actually work pretty well and are only $200. The euphonix are in a different league but then again they are like $1200 for 8 faders.

Ipads for controllers, yuck. I cannot stand screen based faders; you get more tactile response from moving them with your mouse.

EDIT: Boner! Behringer just ripped off the Euphonix Artist sereis! SCHWEEET!

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney You can't play fast on piano that ha no counter weight. That is physics.

A counterweight improves speed when depressing a key, since you don't need to press it all the way to the bottom. However, it slows down the rebound, because there is greater resistance. Conversely, an unweighted key is slow to depress, because you have to push it all the way down. However, the rebound will always be faster as there is less resistance.

I'll agree weighted keys have a speed benefit when you aren't hitting the same keys in rapid succession. However, I'm talking about trill and sputter, where the whole point is to hit the same keys very quickly. Thus, rebound speed is essential; you won't get a proper stroke unless the keys have mostly rebounded between hits.

You can compensate for slow depression speed by moving your hands quicker, but you cannot compensate for slow rebound speed. Thus, synth action is superior for this kind of playing.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney And for drums , why are you not using Vdrums.

I don't have the space. It would also be a waste of money. I make EDM; it's not like I need to do mad rim shots 24x7 or have super realistic playing.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN EDIT: Boner! Behringer just ripped off the Euphonix Artist sereis! SCHWEEET!

Saw this last night. This is the best thing I have seen from NAMM so far! I had a BCF-2000 and discovered pretty quickly that a HUI controller is useless without LCD scribble strips.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney The bootsy Warwick is apparently under a grand. So getting that

You and every other poseur/hack on the planet.

bass is also something i am very good at.

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Originally posted by echosystm A counterweight improves speed when depressing a key, since you don't need to press it all the way to the bottom. However, it slows down the rebound, because there is greater resistance. Conversely, an unweighted key is slow to depress, because you have to push it all the way down. However, the rebound will always be faster as there is less resistance. I'll agree weighted keys have a speed benefit when you aren't hitting the same keys in rapid succession. However, I'm talking about trill and sputter, where the whole point is to hit the same keys very quickly. Thus, rebound speed is essential; you won't get a proper stroke unless the keys have mostly rebounded between hits. Y

The weight doesn't affect the speed of the pressing of the key. That comes from your arms and it is negligle. It is the counterweight in the action that makes the repound snappier with weighted keys, You have it backwards. Non weighted keys use a simple spring. They are usually much slower unless you are a shit player then you probably play a weighted keyboard with just your fingers and well ya, if you don't know how to play you would find it harder. You could not do a say a 3 finger trill on 1 key like you could on a weighted keyboard.

And it is exactly the resistance that makes the weighted keys want to be up, rather than down. It takes more energy to push them down but that energy tends to be bounced back. Again not all weighted actions are equal but regular spring action keyboards seem faster to people that can't play.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney bass is also something i am very good at.

And you're impressed by a budget line Warwick? Are you dating your Guitar Center salesman or something?

That Bootsy bass is the equivalent of Roland making a Tiesto edition of the Gaia, complete with the an ISOS bank - now, you too can look and sound just like him!

The German made Warwicks are OK, but their balance is effed up, the necks feel like tree trunks, and they basically feel like they're engineered by large German women for clubbing their cheating husbands to death. About the only people who buy them are the wealthier Guitar Center types who think they're getting a boutique bass, but don't know the difference. The budget Warwicks are just overpriced crap - terrible PUs and electronics, shoddy build quality, etc.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney The weight doesn't affect the speed blah blah blah

Whatevsies man. I like to have one of each and I know a lot of other people do too, for the exact same reasons. It has nothing to do with technique.

http://music.stackexchange.com/a/6877
http://www.totallykeyboard.net/2012...ed-vs-semi.html

Everyone else... Sorry for poluting the thread with my rant.

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