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Originally posted by Kid Lax no no no i mean okay say the track you are beatmatching has to be at 7.5% to be beatmatched with the live record if you don't touch the record at all after you let it go, it will take forever for the beat to catch up because you can only go 0.5% faster than the live record...and when you initially let the record go...you rapidly move the pitch slider up and down until you find the general area that it needs to be in to be beatmatched bah i can't explain it it has nothing to do with the tables (i have 1210 m3d's) bah nevermind hahaha

you mean the elevator method?

it is very effective

I touch the record, I think its easier to because alot of times I throw the record off to fast or to slow and it just needs a little push or touch to get it right. why spend time playing with the pitch? tiesto and ferry do it all the time!.. but whatever its all personal I guess. I mean if it sounds good thats all that matters, right??

We aren't talking about locking the beats, we are talking about beatmatching. If you let it go and it'f a tad off but you know they are the right speeds, then you can push or hold the record a tad to line it up.

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Originally posted by mikefasssy It is the same either way, if you have always touched the record, then you get used to it. I touch the records and I don't worry about anything because I know the exact feel of basically all my records. I know how much a little push will affect the tune. I think its just personal preference. You can't really say there is a certain way to utilize your dj skills, thats like saying there is only one proper way to paint a picture. Everybody has their own style.

i agree with you
im used to touch to disc cuz my tables are not very good (belt drive)
so i only have to touch the recor a bit to slow down the tune
but i also ajust with pitch only sometimes but it has a less good felling

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Originally posted by DJ Chrono I touch the record only. no pitch for me just joking you, but i try to use the pitch as little as possible. well right now Im on stantons so the pitch isnt so accurate anyways. I just set up a nice 45 min set that requires almost no adjustment to the pitch... I mean, the records lined up all seem to have the same bpm, which makes them great for nice extended mixs.

too easy

I beatmatch with the fader, but the last small corrections i do with the finger (for example, if i need to shift the pitch 1 milimeter down, i brake with my finger and shift it down a milimeter)

Ok im kinda confused because i always toch the rec, but i wanna try this method becasue i find myself playing with the pitch too much. I have numark ttx's. Ok so wat ure sayin is if the rec in ure headset is too fast then drastically slow it down using pitch to line it up and vice versa recs too fast. Then wont it eventually go to slow or o fast. So i dont understand the part in which u balance it out. Im lost can neone help ive reat every post in this thread.

You shouldn't have to touch the record but if u have to touch the record just do it. Its all about having fun.

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Originally posted by VaNFeCto Ok im kinda confused because i always toch the rec, but i wanna try this method becasue i find myself playing with the pitch too much. I have numark ttx's. Ok so wat ure sayin is if the rec in ure headset is too fast then drastically slow it down using pitch to line it up and vice versa recs too fast. Then wont it eventually go to slow or o fast. So i dont understand the part in which u balance it out. Im lost can neone help ive reat every post in this thread.

YOu dont' put it down and leave it. If you only need to slow it down like 1%, then you throw it down like 3% and then back up fast to where you want it. The smaller the adjustments the less distance you have to warp it. I guess someone should make a video of this to help people get started.

Just start moving the fader around when you spin, and you'll just learn it.

You start the cued record, and you hear it's too slow, you move the pitch up, but then it's too fast, you move it down again, but faster than the speed were you began, it's still to slow, you move it up again, but slower than the speed you did before, etc. the area you cover will get smaller and smaller, till you (almost) have it pitched 100% correct (although you will never be able to pitched that well)

i`m learning this also now, @ 1st i corrected the record with my fingers.. but now i`m doin it with the fader

for example: i have this record playing and its a bit 2 slow in comparisation 2 the other 1.. i put the fader a lot up.. and then back 2 where it was.. only a bit higher.. coz i need 2 speed it up a little bit.. and tadaahh.. its the same as the other record again

If you wanna challenge yourself and not quite have the pitch only technique down . .try this.

Say record #2 is behind by half a beat. Instead of nudging the record up with your finger, you can try to jump the record up a half beat by raising the pitch up really high for a split second (almost like a flick) and bring it back down to where it was before.

Two points:

1. Why would you not want to touch the vinyl? It's sexy, it feels so natural, it looks so good, you and the record become one, you feel the vibe through every fibre of your body -- that's what DJ'ing is all about! You'll often hear people dismiss CD-DJ's as people who just "press the buttons." Well, if you make it a point not to move around and feel the record with your hands, that means you're like a CD-DJ now (not to offend any CD-DJ's out there).

2. Me personally I'll use whatever is convenient at the moment, 'cause I'm still an amateur and learning my way. With the pitch adjustment, What I'll do is remember where it was previously, then jerk the pitch control in the right direction and bring it back, but to a slightly different level (in the right direction, of course).

There is no right or wrong way. The only thing that is important is: are they beatmatched.

Eugene - the disadvantage of touching the vinyl is that if you're actually mixing at that moment then it can make a nasty little warble noise, which no one wants to hear. If you just use the pitch control then its not a problem.

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Originally posted by Arty Eugene - the disadvantage of touching the vinyl is that if you're actually mixing at that moment then it can make a nasty little warble noise, which no one wants to hear. If you just use the pitch control then its not a problem.

I feel this is less of an issue if you're slowing the record down, rather than speeding it up. "Guiding" the vinyl is actually easier if you're slowing it down, I think!

I see what you're saying though...

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Originally posted by Devbert There is no right or wrong way. The only thing that is important is: are they beatmatched.

HE'S right,there's no right there's no wrong the vinly has got one side (touch it or not it's up 2 you)

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Originally posted by Dj Ahter HE'S right,there's no right there's no wrong the vinly has got one side (touch it or not it's up 2 you)

Nobody said that there was a right or wrong way of beatmatching. Beatmatching without touching your records require a lot more skill and practice and is better if you can do it. Say your xfader was at the midpoint and youre mixing out to a record that is becoming off beat. Touching your record could have nasty results, especially if youre not careful and not only that, any nudging of the record could be heard on the loud speakers. Using the pitch only is subtle, more accurate, and is less audible. . . . but only if you can do it. Thats why they say good djs can beatmatch using only the pitch.

Hey Busy Child, I live near Washington, DC too!
Specifically, Baltimore

I dont have the option to touch my records because of the catch up time on mt tables, so i've always just used the pitch because thats the way i learned how to do it. touching the vinyl is more hands on and makes more fun than smoking a cigarette anyways.

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Originally posted by Busy Child If you wanna challenge yourself and not quite have the pitch only technique down . .try this. Say record #2 is behind by half a beat. Instead of nudging the record up with your finger, you can try to jump the record up a half beat by raising the pitch up really high for a split second (almost like a flick) and bring it back down to where it was before.

To speed upo slighty use the 45 button. To do this correctly hold down the 33 button, then ver carefully tap on the 45 button and match the beats. Tapping the button won't warp the sound of the record, but be careful not to be heavy fingered. To slow down, drop the pitch and then re-adjust.

Never touch your record i say!

i just quickly skimmed this thread and was hoping to find the answer to this question, but i havnt yet so i'll say what i gotta say..

well basically when beatmatching first thing i do is lightly tap my finger on the platter to get a general awareness of whether the vinyl is gonna need speeding up or slow down (as i get more experienced i expect i'll be able to tell str8 off without having to do this.) If it needs slowing down then i adjust the pitch a little bit, and let the platter gently graze my finger until i hav it. If it needs speeding up then i will just use the pitch and very rarely will i touch the record. But will all this touching of my TT's (Technic mk2's) damage them? I havnt been spinning for long, so it wont be to hard to change the way i beatmatch if what i am doing is damaging my equipment.

Thanks

Mike

That's the right combination for a lot of people. I try not to touch it at all, but ifI do it's for minor slow downs.

ANd no, it won't jurt a magnetic drive table like the 1200. The motor doesn't even touch the plate.

I've been trying this for a bit ... to be honest I've never fully exploit my pitch adjustment as I did in beatmatching this way as it involves moving the pitch adjustment quickly up and down all the times. Wouldn't this be bad for the decks or the pitch adjust? Normally I'd just touch the platter or twist the nipples but never have i tried this.

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