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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On There are a lot of fucking mentally constipated Americans, but taking people to task for cheating on their spouse is not prudish at all. Like Jay has said, a Manager represents an organization, and in this case, they admitted to breaking an oath to another person. You cannot trust them to not lie and cheat in other things, you know, like baseball games.

Hal, when did you turn into such a pussy?

When he got married

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Originally posted by djdk But thats my point, the bad face is relative to those people looking at it. In some places the public would not care about the fact that he cheated and the organisations reputation would not suffer and there would be no action taken. Well, no, I would agree with you there. But, him losing his job has to be related to the attitude of the organisation to these things, which in turn is related to the population at large. Again I wouldnt disagree that what hes done is a mark of his character, but its not exactly gross misconduct for a sports manager, is it?

There is something to be said about the court of public opinion. Yes, on some level, I actually do totally sympathize with the whole 'well what the hell does that have to do with his ability to do his job?' sentiment. Donald Sterling and David Petraeus come to mind. But that's precisely the risk component of being a public figure; not at all unlike how CEOs have hyperinflated salaries, it's often (though not at all often enough) that their performance can bring a company down, and the inherent risk of this position is why there is such a premium on their demand. I can't even believe what bullshit I am spewing, CEOs never suffer for anything hahahajkl afk.

Without knowing more about the specifics of what Spacey Orange is talking about though, it's difficult to discuss this with any meaning because it's such a situational thing. But from other examples, resignation following a scandal is more damage control than anything else, and it has far more to do with an omnipresent media that loves to infer sordid details than a mere reflection of American society's alleged pearl-clutching. If anything, it speaks of this manager's responsibility to protect the wife he wronged from any further hurt, if you ask me- rather similar to Petraeus' scandal.

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Originally posted by zps The US is the most pathetic country on earth. Its a complete joke and at this point I'm ashamed to even live here. Can't wait to get a passport and leave this shithole.

GTFO then..

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Hal, when did you turn into such a pussy?

Cheaters are scum; not a pussy sentiment at all.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Cheaters are scum; not a pussy sentiment at all.

Your completely two-dimensional outlook is. Didn't we have a Hal who could analyse things with brutal honesty, or did you just paper over this sentimentalism with your horrific image library?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Without knowing more about the specifics of what Spacey Orange is talking about though, it's difficult to discuss this with any meaning because it's such a situational thing. But from other examples, resignation following a scandal is more damage control than anything else, and it has far more to do with an omnipresent media that loves to infer sordid details than a mere reflection of American society's alleged pearl-clutching. If anything, it speaks of this manager's responsibility to protect the wife he wronged from any further hurt, if you ask me- rather similar to Petraeus' scandal.

Op is an ass hat.

The person in question resigned of his own volition. Only later did he explain the reason for his sudden departure. Neither the public or his employer had any role in his decision and would most likely would have been let go at the end of the season for lack of performance on the field. Lol

Internet is also to blame, and how connected Americans are to it. Every little story becomes viral rather quickly. So 'public burnings' are faster-paced now.

So instead of just one county or city knowing about such cases, now everybody attracted to the viral infection knows about it. Having moral superiority makes us condemn negative actions with colorful hashtags limited, of course, to a few characters.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Your completely two-dimensional outlook is. Didn't we have a Hal who could analyse things with brutal honesty, or did you just paper over this sentimentalism with your horrific image library?

I have this sneaking suspicion that neither of us knows quite what the hell you are talking about, so let's bring something substantial to the discussion:

http://deadspin.com/ron-washington-...lain-1636444989

http://thescoopsports.wordpress.com...r-legal-issues/

Fuck knows what's actually going on with this guy, but it would seem as though the pandering to his marital vows was a sort of last-ditch concession before all of his shit gets blown up by the media. Like I said before, it's damage control, though now I agree that he might just be merely appealing to the institution rather than his own marriage. If you think my two-dimensional sentiment is trite, just wait until the real lies start making their way to the surface. Nobody holds this sort of press conference because all they did was be unfaithful.

The specifics are completely irrelevant, both because you admitted you didn't know them and because you didn't talk in terms of them in the post I quoted. What's salient is that you're basically saying that someone who cheats on his/her partner can't be trusted professionally or in a sporting role.

A lot of cheaters are indeed selfish scumbags but a lot of them are in emotionally difficult and frustrating situations with their partners and cheat for entirely human reasons. Even now you don't know a thing about this man's relationship with his wife, about their personal interactions with each other, about the emotional situation between them. Cheating may be an act of weakness but it does not automatically render the cheater "scum" who can't be trusted in any aspect of life. You have jumped to a series of conclusions that belie a morally simplistic conception of how people really work, and I'm actually fairly convinced you wouldn't have adopted the same judgmental tone at all if it had been a woman cheating on a man.

While I'm not here to defend the institute of higher cheating, I could put together quite a long list of highly regarded men who have cheated then put Hal corner with his own logic. But seeing it's Friday and not in the mood to listen to overly verbose backpedaling, I'll let him off the hook.

You do realize that cheating on your partner/girlfriend/boyfriend is different from cheating on your spouse, right? Even the law considers it a mitigating factor in domestic arbitration. You made a solemn oath to one other person, witnessed by other people. There is nothing grey at all about that. You broke a fairly profound promise.

I'll not at all deny that this sort of thing means more to me now that I am married, but I still remain to be convinced that I am a pussy merely because I am capable of parsing who is deserving of trust. Maybe I am just getting older. Or perhaps your perception of me has merely changed because you have.

Let's go to a famous example: were you a hiring manager somewhere, and Abercrombie walked through your door, can you honestly say that it has no bearing on your decision to let him in your company?

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Originally posted by Jon_Snow While I'm not here to defend the institute of higher cheating, I could put together quite a long list of highly regarded men who have cheated then put Hal corner with his own logic. But seeing it's Friday and not in the mood to listen to overly verbose backpedaling, I'll let him off the hook.

Yeah, Einstein was a notorious shithead, for one. But he outlined his relationship with his wife. It is not the act of infidelity I have issue with. Some people have open relationships, or have some sort of understanding. This man in particular held a press conference to confess his cheating, which says that he must have felt he did her wrong. I didn't need to know the specifics to glean that he knew he broke his oath, and that everyone would soon know, because there was going to be a hell of a lot more to it than merely that.

Back to my original point the OP is either a moron or a troll or some combination of the two. While there is a compelling argument to be made about the prudish shortcomings of the USA, no one with half of brain would use Ron Washington as example to make that case.

It's pretty clear he stated he was wrong but I don't really see how that has bearing on the topic. It's common knowledge that the time demands and travel required of those type of positions put all but the strongest relationships in trouble. Sounds like things came to a head where he had to choose between his job or his family.

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Originally posted by Jon_Snow When he got married

It always takes the spark out of a man.

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Originally posted by Vector A It always takes the spark out of a man.

Speak for yourself.

Je blague.

T'as int�r�t.

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Originally posted by Vector A It always takes the spark out of a man.

and also this...

George Constanza as you know him ceases to exist. You see, right now I have Relationship George. But there is also Independent George. That's the George you know, the George you grew up with... Movie George, Coffee Shop George, Liar George, Bawdy George." "I love that George." "Me too, and he's dying. If Relationship George walks through this door, he will kill Independent George. A George divided against itself cannot stand!"

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On You do realize that cheating on your partner/girlfriend/boyfriend is different from cheating on your spouse, right? Even the law considers it a mitigating factor in domestic arbitration. You made a solemn oath to one other person, witnessed by other people. There is nothing grey at all about that. You broke a fairly profound promise.

Marriages fall apart just like relationships do. Some people get married after 6 months, and get divorced again after another 6. Others live together for 20 years without tying that knot. For all the frilly vows, marriage is not some universal moral constant. Not all couples attach the same values you do to marriage, and people are frankly fucking stupid and will do ostensibly profound things on whims and without proper reflection and foresight. Once again, when you made that post you had no idea about the attitudes of the people involved in the marriage you were commenting on. And I don't see how highlighting the legal conflation aids your point at all. If anything you're merely pointing out a good reason why people who don't attach much value to this solemn oath might take it anyway.

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Let's go to a famous example: were you a hiring manager somewhere, and Abercrombie walked through your door, can you honestly say that it has no bearing on your decision to let him in your company?

Irrelevant, because the full details of what he did are widely available, and it's pretty easy to see he was a complete lowlife. I'm not objecting to the calling out of obvious scumbags. I'm objecting to your assumption and your generalisation.

You're right, J.

I, Hal, would like to personally apologize to all the cheating scumbags whose feelings I hurt by saying they're not worthy of trust. They are! I mean, just not with important things.

And this is why you've lost it.

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Originally posted by Swamper Prudishness would be eradicated if more Americans obtained a passport and travelled somewhere outside of an all-inclusive resort.

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Originally posted by Swamper Prudishness would be eradicated if more Americans obtained a passport and travelled somewhere outside of an all-inclusive resort.

Traveling doesn't necessarily make people change for the better. Going around clubbing where everyone is PLUR (AKA, so hopped up on drugs, they'll love a rock if it lies next to them) is not a good representation of a country's people.

On topic:
And taking adultery seriously does not mean the USA is "prudish". Adultery is a violation of, not only trust, but of the vows you took during the marriage ceremony (If you believe in that type of thing).

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