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Originally posted by Syntonic I like it mostly for it's time, as 2003 is among the weaker years of Trance music imo with and it felt like a no nonsene. It's all about the 'Dub Mix'

If you call 2003 weak, what is todays music compared to that then?

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Originally posted by DJ Sarah H There was a lot of really great trance in 2003 James Holden - A Break in The Clouds Holden & Thompson - Nothing ('93 Returning Mix) Andain - Beautiful Things Tiesto and Junkie XL - Obsdession POS - Remember (Summer Sun) Delerium - After All Solarstone Vs Scott Bond - 3rd Earth Mauro Picotto - Back to Cali Oakenfold - Southern Sun Firewall - Sincere Tiesto - Traffic Envio - Touched By The Sun Mesh - Purple Haze Matti Laamanen - Flakes Sasha - Wavey Gravey Poloroid - So Damn Beautiful Sarah McLachlan - Fallen (G&D Anti Gravity Mix) need I go on?

You can but it really won't change my opinion much. I have most of those too but and you can set your watch to them all. Just how I feel.Like I said, in my opinion. I'm 29 but got into electronic music quite early... '95-'98 is best for me.

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Originally posted by trancedanne If you call 2003 weak, what is todays music compared to that then?

I still find great Trance today, I might only find 10 tracks or so in a year but it's worth it. I find that if you stop bitching about the music and actually take time to dig you might surprise yourself. Overall, I find lots of good music as I have broad tastes.

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Originally posted by Syntonic You can but it really won't change my opinion much. I have most of those too but and you can set your watch to them all. Just how I feel.Like I said, in my opinion. I'm 29 but got into electronic music quite early... '95-'98 is best for me.

it's all good brethren.

http://www2.tranceaddict.com/forums...=2#.VG1u0f7CnjI

jack moss didn't like it in 2003 either.

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Originally posted by Syntonic I like it mostly for it's time, as 2003 is among the weaker years of Trance music imo with and it felt like a no nonsene track. It's all about the 'Dub Mix'

Have you ever heard 'Sunburn'? Essentially the same track but dials down the cheesiness of Dub.Wav:

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Originally posted by DJ Sarah H Sarah McLachlan - Fallen (G&D Anti Gravity Mix)

masterpiece.

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Originally posted by Syntonic I still find great Trance today, I might only find 10 tracks or so in a year but it's worth it. I find that if you stop bitching about the music and actually take time to dig you might surprise yourself. Overall, I find lots of good music as I have broad tastes.

i'd like to hear these 10 tracks. i'd be surprised if even one of them were anything other than competent-but-forgettable. and most of them likely lie in the awful category.

today's trance is utter pish.

and i'd say ten mediocre tracks a year? worth it? no i don't think so.

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Originally posted by Syntonic I still find great Trance today, I might only find 10 tracks or so in a year but it's worth it. I find that if you stop bitching about the music and actually take time to dig you might surprise yourself. Overall, I find lots of good music as I have broad tastes.

This.

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Originally posted by rubez i'd like to hear these 10 tracks.

this.

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Originally posted by DJ Sarah H Tiesto and Junkie XL - Obsdession

I'd just like to point out that this came out in 2001.

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Originally posted by Syntonic I still find great Trance today, I might only find 10 tracks or so in a year but it's worth it. I find that if you stop bitching about the music and actually take time to dig you might surprise yourself. Overall, I find lots of good music as I have broad tastes.

So 10 good trance tracks every year makes todays trance better?
I dig alot and i rarely find anything worth listening to, at least not trance.
Airwave, JOOF, You Are My Salvation and Timewave, without these trance would be literately dead to me. Magnus, Thrillseekers, Activa release good stuff sometimes as well.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I'd just like to point out that this came out in 2001.

A few of those are from 2001-2, Wavy Gravy and Back To Cali for example.

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Originally posted by trancedanne So 10 good trance tracks every year makes todays trance better?

That's not what he said.

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Originally posted by trancedanne I dig alot and i rarely find anything worth listening to, at least not trance.

He didn't say there was a copious bounty of it, just that it exists. Which you're agreeing with by saying you find things worth listening to rarely.

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Originally posted by rubez i'd like to hear these 10 tracks.

I bet you would, but why should I waste my time if you're so damn sure?

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Originally posted by trancedanne So 10 good trance tracks every year makes todays trance better? I dig alot and i rarely find anything worth listening to, at least not trance. Airwave, JOOF, You Are My Salvation and Timewave, without these trance would be literately dead to me. Magnus, Thrillseekers, Activa release good stuff sometimes as well.

I never said that, I just don't see the difference in consistent output between then and now.

it's not like i have a vested interest in new trance being shit. it just is. i'd like it not to be.

hey, if you claim you have some quality trance tracks from this year, or recent years, lets hear them.

i think you know as well as i do, the quality just isn't there. we start glorifying subpar output because it's the best of a bad bunch.

i'd like to be proved wrong of course.

post them/don't post them. if the tracks were of any substantive quality, i'm sure i would have heard about them one way or another.

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Originally posted by rubez i'd like to hear these 10 tracks. i'd be surprised if even one of them were anything other than competent-but-forgettable.

This.

Also, I think by 2003 many of us were already in Prog territory, with Trance losing its spark, which, by 2004 had all but flickered out. There were probably only a handful of good Trance tracks in '04, and the rather disappointing debut of The Digital Blonde's album shortly thereafter pretty much marked the genre's demise. It was also the time when Ricky Smith switched to a more digital, computer-oriented method of production, incidentally.

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Originally posted by rubez we start glorifying subpar output because it's the best of a bad bunch.

Very true.

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Originally posted by rubez it's not like i have a vested interest in new trance being shit. it just is. i'd like it not to be. hey, if you claim you have some quality trance tracks from this year, or recent years, lets hear them. i think you know as well as i do, the quality just isn't there. we start glorifying subpar output because it's the best of a bad bunch. i'd like to be proved wrong of course. post them/don't post them. if the tracks were of any substantive quality, i'm sure i would have heard about them one way or another.

I can't imagine you listened hundreds of tracks and even continued to after not hearing a single track you liked.

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Originally posted by rubez

It's pretty easy to defend tracks that have been known for 10-11 years. Whatever I posted would have to be given the same time, right? I feel that most of the tracks are legendary because Trance was pretty notorious at the time and that is all people know. Of course your first tracks you hear are going to have the deepest memories.


I also remember JOOF telling me that most of his labels output isn't even meant to be memorable and I totally get it...it's just DJ music. Sometimes a track can be shit alone but can be fun to mix.

yeah, i stopped listening when all i was discovering was total dud after dud. it would be stupid to continue - that was years ago.

every now and again, whenever i hear a new trance track it's the same - dull, uninspired, by-the-numbers tat.

not sure trance was ever notorious. the stuff from over ten years ago - a massive chunk of what i thought was great then, has not stood the test of time. i don't glorify the old stuff just because it's old. the quality had to have been really there for it still to be listenable today.

unfortunately, todays trance is crap to begin with - it isn't going to ripen with age, that's for sure.

if JOOF only sees his stuff as 'disposable', then it's no wonder that todays trance is shite if he is at the forefront of its "serious side".

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Originally posted by Syntonic It's pretty easy to defend tracks that have been known for 10-11 years. Whatever I posted would have to be given the same time, right? I feel that most of the tracks are legendary because Trance was pretty notorious at the time and that is all people know. Of course your first tracks you hear are going to have the deepest memories.

I can only speak for myself but if i don't like a track today im damn sure i wont like it in 13 years either.
There are however a bunch of stuff i liked in 2003 which i don't like today.
EDM music has been weak for almost 10 years now, the ideas are there but the sound itself is just so unexciting.
And yeah i agree that most of the JOOF releases are nothing special, it has been like that for a couple of years now..

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Originally posted by Syntonic I also remember JOOF telling me that most of his labels output isn't even meant to be memorable and I totally get it...it's just DJ music.

A producer doesn't intend to make a "memorable" track, however. If it's good, it might me memorable. It's usually the result, not the intention. Such can said about In Sync's "Storm," and Patrick Pulsinger's "Construction Tool," among many others.

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Originally posted by trancedanne EDM music has been weak for almost 10 years now, the ideas are there but the sound itself is just so unexciting.

Maybe you're listening to the wrong EDM, then.

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Originally posted by rubez hey, if you claim you have some quality trance tracks from this year, or recent years, lets hear them.

I hate to be vain, but I'm gonna shamelessly plug here. Let me start off by saying I know your frustration...what I see most people calling "good trance" these days is always some 12 minute long melodramatic copy & paste uplifting stuff by some producer with a name like Dimensional Luminescence or something like that. Since my goal is to ultimately bring back the more classic sounds of trance, and I've launched a label in hopes of finding likeminded musicians whose music I can help be heard, and scouting for tracks I feel like I hear the same 1 or 2 template tracks over and over no matter who's making them, so I definitely know how you feel. Anyways, since you asked, here's the plug. Here's something I made earlier in the year...not a "complex" track by any means but I hope it's at least a little refreshing to know there's at least one person still making something more traditional.

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Originally posted by rubez yeah, i stopped listening when all i was discovering was total dud after dud. it would be stupid to continue - that was years ago. every now and again, whenever i hear a new trance track it's the same - dull, uninspired, by-the-numbers tat. not sure trance was ever notorious. the stuff from over ten years ago - a massive chunk of what i thought was great then, has not stood the test of time. i don't glorify the old stuff just because it's old. the quality had to have been really there for it still to be listenable today. unfortunately, todays trance is crap to begin with - it isn't going to ripen with age, that's for sure. if JOOF only sees his stuff as 'disposable', then it's no wonder that todays trance is shite if he is at the forefront of its "serious side".

Maybe you should accept and say that you just don't like it instead of calling it all crap as it just isn't. I guess you still have a desire for something new, while from a technical point of view there little to expect. Something which has been the case for more then 10 years meanwhile.
I'm pretty sure that some tracks of nowadays would have been huge hits if they would have been released in e.g. 2002.

Sail is a nice track. He has a few trance numbers that really shine melodically. I think if he kept it 100% his vision without trying to please the masses he would've made some really iconic stuff.

The potential was there in the early productions under Armin. the likes of Sasha, Oakenfold, and Digweed all in their prime and all using his tracks on their compilations meant something

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Originally posted by blackplasma Have you ever heard 'Sunburn'? Essentially the same track but dials down the cheesiness of Dub.Wav:

ha...it is pretty much the same track but better.. thanks

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Originally posted by trancedanne I can only speak for myself but if i don't like a track today im damn sure i wont like it in 13 years either.

Does that go for all music?

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred A producer doesn't intend to make a "memorable" track

For most no, but it's all about the engineers and the Benjamins.

nice kick

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