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| Originally posted by Storyteller From my experience a lot of people get stamped ADHD way to quickly and easily. Especially food can influence behaviour a lot (also when you do have ADHD). I see a lot of kids (less than 12 years old) drinking cheap red bull replacements before 13:00. No wonder they're all over the place, but far from all of them have ADHD. Doctors just say: pump them full of Ritalin and they'll tone down. My gut says this goes for the majority of 'ADHD'-diagnosed people. A few things that have helped for me is actually doing (very little) reading on practical problems one might have. In my case I get distracted by either something around me or by my mind. - I write down things I need to remember. When I'm on a phone call for work or business I would otherwise have forgotten what is said 10-15 seconds after it was mentioned. - I cut down on sugar/carbs (little to no bread for instance). It makes me a lot more relaxed. It also reduces certain tics (for lack of a better word) I have. They're not really apparent to anyone who isn't aware but it reduces a lot of distraction. - Only drink coffee/caffeine when I really need to perform hard. Hardly ever happens, and otherwise a bit of stress is usually already sufficient. - Sport regularly. Release some of your energy. I can't due to a foot injury for well over 6 months now and its frustrating as hell. It does come with its advantages too. ADHD people are usually more creative for instance  . |
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| Originally posted by Storyteller It does come with its advantages too. ADHD people are usually more creative for instance . |
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| Originally posted by Mr.Mystery This is actually what I was getting at earlier. It can't be a coincidence that so many successful musicians had a hard time in school due to focusing issues. |
I'm not sure what that has to do with the connection between ADHD and creativity.
School has also taken me a lot longer than any regular person would spend on finishing it.
I used to be one of the smart kids in elementary school. I grasped everything quickly without doing much (or any) learning.
I've went to a homework place from my 15th to 17th, where I got a bit of tutoring. It helped me finish (and actually start) doing my homework as there were little to no distractions. A good stimulus was also that I could go home as soon as I had finished my homework. You were forced to commit in an ideal environment.
5 years of high school took me 7yrs. A 4 year bachelor took me 10 yrs. I can read books and after finishing them all the knowledge I tried to take in is lost unless I take proper notes. Underlining relevant text isn't sufficient. I was too distracted during the classes I didn't care for that things wouldn't sink in. When I finally got the chance to shape my graduation with custom courses (which did follow my interests) things got a whole lot easier. It took me 7 years to finish the first 2 years. Another 2 years For the 3rd year, and one for my graduation year. Also I let work come before education, I shouldn't have done that. Quitting my job and putting my own company on hold helped a lot. This (work) caused probably 75% of the delay. That said, for now, finishing my bachelor was probably my most stressful challenge up to date. School is not for me, and I guess most ADHD people learn by doing (or proper engaging storytelling in class) instead of being taught with books.
Here's another couple of things I came up with during writing this all down.
- Seperate specific tasks, don't multitask.
- Set a little alarm every 12 minutes or so to check if you aren't avoiding what you should actually be doing. It snaps you back to reality and reminds you to focus on what is at hand.
- If possible, do something you genuinely care about. It is so much easier. Although that might not be ADHD specific 
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| Originally posted by Storyteller or eating loads of sugar before 13:00. |
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| Originally posted by deegee sugar's actually been proven to have zero effect on energy levels or attention span in children. |
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| Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I'm not sure what that has to do with the connection between ADHD and creativity. |
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| Originally posted by Storyteller I can show you just as many studies that say the opposite |
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| Originally posted by deegee sugar's actually been proven to have zero effect on energy levels or attention span in children. |
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| Results suggest that sugar snacking is often motivated by a low-awareness attempt to raise energy. Additionally, the results clarify an apparent conflict between neurochemical research, which indicates that sugar ingestion increases the tendency to sleep, and popular nutrition theory, which indicates that it increases tension. (20 ref) (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2012 APA, all rights reserved) |
The real question is, would you give up your talent for a lifetime cure? that is the question.
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| Originally posted by Innocence Lost The real question is, would you give up your talent for a lifetime cure? that is the question. |
That might be but there are cases of well known artists who stopped (being able to) practicing their profession as soon as they went on medication. I believe the inventor/drawer of Guust Flater/Gaston Lagaffe (Love that stuff) is one of them.
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| Originally posted by Raphie There are plenty of people being gifted without having issues this is a very fatalistic perspective. |
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| Originally posted by Storyteller That might be but there are cases of well known artists who stopped (being able to) practicing their profession as soon as they went on medication. I believe the inventor/drawer of Guust Flater/Gaston Lagaffe (Love that stuff) is one of them. |
Another typical ADHD thing: you might take things literally more often than a usual person. I have a lot of trouble finding the message hidden in the context of books or on this forum . For that reason I often had low grades for book reports. I sometimes respond too serious on here because I miss the joke or the fact that is wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
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| Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Edit: Looks like the idiocy was removed. |
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| Originally posted by Beatflux Please don't take it personally, it was never really personal; it was just a way for me get a little bit of humor out of my otherwise emotionally dull life |
A few thaughts
I won't discount the insight gained maintaining a perspective that might include your relative privilege but relativism is a concept that undermines itself by essentially saying someone always has it worse so any suffering no matter how bad is nothing compared to the depressing life of a paraplegic worker ant that has been made a slave by a neighbouring red ant colony.
The suicide rates alone are tangible numbers that all is not well. Relativism is also flawed in that the situation isn't the same and you are applying the same rules for different situations. Life is not the same now as it was and to assume these issues are mere over indulgences rather than a real effect which is arguably comorbide with how things and society are now.
Understating what it is you might have is helpful in many ways and it would be counter productive to not introspect and understand why things are different for you. It allows you to frame it as the issue rather than you as a person. It allows you to find ways to help you cope.
Wasn't going to chime in because this threat felt like a no response needed but given it is page 4 , fuck it. I will tell you from experience and research and over a decade of seing more professionals than I would lik to admit, medication ain't going to work for you. The only weapon they have are amphemines or snri which all cause anxiety which ironically compounds the issue which research is leading to a broken dopamine system.
Medication also won't work in the long run. All the research assumes a 6 month use. No study by the companies extends say a decade. They are all habit forming. Anything you introduce including touted non habit forming depressions drugs , which were first developed for anxiety but didn't catch on later beng marketed for depression , will cause your body to adjust.
You don't want to be on a pharmaceutical speedball that will eventually yield no benefits but demonstrate severe withdrawal without them. Quitting heroin is a cakewalk compared to say a high dosage of clonazapam or similar long acting benzodiazepine.
So I would say
Accept you are different and try not to use the term Ill. Your condition is merely non adaptive for normal society. There is a cult of feeling sick or broken that serves no benefit . Humanity would still be in the dark ages if not for people with many of these conditions.
Exercise
Meditate
Eat right
Learn e Macarena and apply it to everything
And your cancer comment was rather dickish but I know that wasn't your attempt. I didn't tell most people because that is the last thing you want to be seen as except for maybe Halloween were the living dead belong. Being a dick is how you react to your condition and not part of it. Understandable and I can attest to why people are dicks having mastered the art decades ago but they are separate issues. Your Condituon won't ever go away. Learning how to not always be a dick because despite people being assholes that need to be fucked ....... Cue TA
I fully agree. You put it more mildly but below is as it is.
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| Originally posted by Looney4Clooney A few thaughts I won't discount the insight gained maintaining a perspective that might include your relative privilege but relativism is a concept that undermines itself by essentially saying someone always has it worse so any suffering no matter how bad is nothing compared to the depressing life of a paraplegic worker ant that has been made a slave by a neighbouring red ant colony. The suicide rates alone are tangible numbers that all is not well. Relativism is also flawed in that the situation isn't the same and you are applying the same rules for different situations. Life is not the same now as it was and to assume these issues are mere over indulgences rather than a real effect which is arguably comorbide with how things and society are now. Understating what it is you might have is helpful in many ways and it would be counter productive to not introspect and understand why things are different for you. It allows you to frame it as the issue rather than you as a person. It allows you to find ways to help you cope. Wasn't going to chime in because this threat felt like a no response needed but given it is page 4 , fuck it. I will tell you from experience and research and over a decade of seing more professionals than I would lik to admit, medication ain't going to work for you. The only weapon they have are amphemines or snri which all cause anxiety which ironically compounds the issue which research is leading to a broken dopamine system. Medication also won't work in the long run. All the research assumes a 6 month use. No study by the companies extends say a decade. They are all habit forming. Anything you introduce including touted non habit forming depressions drugs , which were first developed for anxiety but didn't catch on later beng marketed for depression , will cause your body to adjust. You don't want to be on a pharmaceutical speedball that will eventually yield no benefits but demonstrate severe withdrawal without them. Quitting heroin is a cakewalk compared to say a high dosage of clonazapam or similar long acting benzodiazepine. So I would say Accept you are different and try not to use the term Ill. Your condition is merely non adaptive for normal society. There is a cult of feeling sick or broken that serves no benefit . Humanity would still be in the dark ages if not for people with many of these conditions. Exercise Meditate Eat right Learn e Macarena and apply it to everything And your cancer comment was rather dickish but I know that wasn't your attempt. I didn't tell most people because that is the last thing you want to be seen as except for maybe Halloween were the living dead belong. Being a dick is how you react to your condition and not part of it. Understandable and I can attest to why people are dicks having mastered the art decades ago but they are separate issues. Your Condituon won't ever go away. Learning how to not always be a dick because despite people being assholes that need to be fucked ....... Cue TA |
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| Originally posted by DJ RANN ADHD is a real thing and difficult to deal with so I'm sorry it took so long to make progress Beatflux. I don't know if it make a adiffernce to you but I never thought you ever came off as a dick or being mean to people. I don't think his comments fit this particular case, but Palm (robotrance) does actually tap in to something. Living in LA, I know a lot of wannabe "artists" and "actors" etc, who do little fucking more than obsess about how fucking sensitive and deep they are - some of it really is what he's getting at in terms of extroverted sensitive; apparently uber sensitive but has to make sure everyone knows about it. Again not the case here but I know what Palm is getting at. Also, there is a little bit of a strain of people spending waaaaaaay too much of their lives thinking about what is wrong with them, or what could be their problem. Go visit some really poor countries or better still, ask your grandparents generation about mental illness. They just don't have time for it, and never did. Even look at the PTSD rates among soldiers now and compare it to 80 years ago. Both my grandfathers fought in WW2, saw truly horrific things, most their friends died (often in front of them) yet it somehow didn't fuck them up for the rest of their lives or even define them. Now you have soldiers who do one tour and come back and after a couple of years are non-functioning human vegetables. Sure there's other factors like the drugs they made them take etc but without sounding callous, some if it comes down to giving these disorders room and oxygen to thrive. Same can be said for some people in society, and often they are white people problems if you know what I mean. Again, none of this detracts from depression and true mental illness, but not everyone who struggles in life is mentally ill or has a disorder. That's where the shit the fuck up, buck up and deal with it comes from, and in certain scenarios, I get it. |
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| Originally posted by Looney4Clooney A few thaughts I won't discount the insight gained maintaining a perspective that might include your relative privilege but relativism is a concept that undermines itself by essentially saying someone always has it worse so any suffering no matter how bad is nothing compared to the depressing life of a paraplegic worker ant that has been made a slave by a neighbouring red ant colony. The suicide rates alone are tangible numbers that all is not well. Relativism is also flawed in that the situation isn't the same and you are applying the same rules for different situations. Life is not the same now as it was and to assume these issues are mere over indulgences rather than a real effect which is arguably comorbide with how things and society are now. Understating what it is you might have is helpful in many ways and it would be counter productive to not introspect and understand why things are different for you. It allows you to frame it as the issue rather than you as a person. It allows you to find ways to help you cope. Wasn't going to chime in because this threat felt like a no response needed but given it is page 4 , fuck it. I will tell you from experience and research and over a decade of seing more professionals than I would lik to admit, medication ain't going to work for you. The only weapon they have are amphemines or snri which all cause anxiety which ironically compounds the issue which research is leading to a broken dopamine system. Medication also won't work in the long run. All the research assumes a 6 month use. No study by the companies extends say a decade. They are all habit forming. Anything you introduce including touted non habit forming depressions drugs , which were first developed for anxiety but didn't catch on later beng marketed for depression , will cause your body to adjust. You don't want to be on a pharmaceutical speedball that will eventually yield no benefits but demonstrate severe withdrawal without them. Quitting heroin is a cakewalk compared to say a high dosage of clonazapam or similar long acting benzodiazepine. So I would say Accept you are different and try not to use the term Ill. Your condition is merely non adaptive for normal society. There is a cult of feeling sick or broken that serves no benefit . Humanity would still be in the dark ages if not for people with many of these conditions. Exercise Meditate Eat right Learn e Macarena and apply it to everything And your cancer comment was rather dickish but I know that wasn't your attempt. I didn't tell most people because that is the last thing you want to be seen as except for maybe Halloween were the living dead belong. Being a dick is how you react to your condition and not part of it. Understandable and I can attest to why people are dicks having mastered the art decades ago but they are separate issues. Your Condituon won't ever go away. Learning how to not always be a dick because despite people being assholes that need to be fucked ....... Cue TA |
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| Originally posted by Beatflux Maybe they weren't properly titrated. From horror stories I've heard, person gets perscribed some Ritalin, takes it, gets super fucking wierd, then eventually gets off of it. It should have little to no side effects at the correct dosing: 2-3 mg either way. This is all parroting from what my doc has told me. Perhaps the people you know were using it to try and power through a long and hectic day. |
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| Originally posted by Beatflux Maybe they weren't properly titrated. From horror stories I've heard, person gets perscribed some Ritalin, takes it, gets super fucking wierd, then eventually gets off of it. It should have little to no side effects at the correct dosing: 2-3 mg either way. This is all parroting from what my doc has told me. Perhaps the people you know were using it to try and power through a long and hectic day. |
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| Originally posted by Looney4Clooney ...... Exercise, Meditate, Eat right ....... |
i should add, medication wors but only short term. If your doctor is a psychiatrist and doesn't have a plan for therapy while you are on the meds, run. The research is pretty conclusive for adhd in how to treat it right and medication is not the solution at least long term.
The real solution takes more work and shitty doctors will take the 6 month win than worry about your long term health.
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