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Originally posted by Lews Also, a cure to cancer would be so fucking lucrative it would shit all over the current cancer-treatment industry.

I know right? it's the holy fucking grail of medical research and any company that made the breakthrough would pretty much take over the world with its profits.

I fucking love how illogical this shit is.

'They're all in a cartel together to keep down cancer research! All they care about is profit! None of them are human at all!'

'But also, despite their love of money, genius, and indecency, they totally couldn't figure out a way to make FUCK TONS of money off of their invention that would be loved by all of mankind.'

Weapons-grade twattery is, I believe, the correct term for such a thought process.

Interesting. I have a strong belief that Iboga does, indeed, cure various mental and physical disorders (which I believe I've mentioned in the Iboga thread), and it also happens to be far cheaper than perhaps virtually all other "treatment" methods that don't actually cure. The country of Gabon and other places could've been charging millions for curing various malaise, but they don't. Go figure, eh?

You've mentioned it in about every damn thread in this forum.

I'm reposting it in reply to your post here.

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Originally posted by Lews I fucking love how illogical this shit is. 'They're all in a cartel together to keep down cancer research! All they care about is profit! None of them are human at all!' 'But also, despite their love of money, genius, and indecency, they totally couldn't figure out a way to make FUCK TONS of money off of their invention that would be loved by all of mankind.' Weapons-grade twattery is, I believe, the correct term for such a thought process.

exactly right. does my head in.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Interesting. I have a strong belief that Iboga does, indeed, cure various mental and physical disorders (which I believe I've mentioned in the Iboga thread), and it also happens to be far cheaper than perhaps virtually all other "treatment" methods that don't actually cure.

it's perfectly fine you believe this, especially since you actually have experience with it. that's different from claiming the reason it's not an accepted treatment generally is due to "big pharma" keeping the little guy down.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred The country of Gabon and other places could've been charging millions for curing various malaise, but they don't. Go figure, eh?

well if they conducted clinical trials and published studies proving its efficacy then someone obviously could make some decent dollars out of it. what's your point?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN it's perfectly fine you believe this, especially since you actually have experience with it. that's different from claiming the reason it's not an accepted treatment generally is due to "big pharma" keeping the little guy down.

I maintain my opinion on the matter, which I've already elaborated on.

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well if they conducted clinical trials and published studies proving its efficacy then someone obviously could make some decent dollars out of it. what's your point?

Absolutely. My point and implication was that I've never yet seen pharma companies/hospitals charging hundreds of thousands/millions of dollars for an actual "cure."

I'm not sure about the veracity of this, but my friend/provider in Spain told me Holland will be conducting the first human clinical trials with Iboga this or next year, so we'll see what happens.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred I maintain my opinion on the matter, which I've already elaborated on.

you can opine all you like, you haven't actually provided any evidence to support your suspicions that big pharma are keeping iboga on the down low. you even state below that there could be clinical trials coming, which clearly undermines your point.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Absolutely. My point and implication was that I've never yet seen pharma companies/hospitals charging hundreds of thousands/millions of dollars for an actual "cure."

are you for real? how much attention do you pay?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...t-a-higher-cost

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred I'm not sure about the veracity of this, but my friend/provider in Spain told me Holland will be conducting the first human clinical trials with Iboga this or next year, so we'll see what happens.

im sure big pharma will co-opt the trials, ooga booga booga!

I'm sure the lack of serious study into Iboga is all because big pharama is controlled by psychopathic capitalists, and not because of deaths experienced by users:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22268458

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16698188

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23123541

B-b-b-but what happens when ibogaine is recognized as the instant-panacea for mental illness that I'm sure it is and is then co-opted by big pharma and turned into a pill regimen similar to the medications available now for mental illness??

Or wait, does it work specifically in such a way that you just have to take it once and BAM, cured, you'll never suffer anxiety or depression ever again?

If so hit me up. I'm interested in this sorcery.

Five more fucking minutes on the internet found this article: http://www.newscastmedia.com/4investors_africa.pdf see pages 11 and 12 for the god damned patents that have been filed for iboga treatments.

Here's one: http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...=DN/20050288375

Filed by Myriad Genetics, a pharama company with a market cap of over $2 billion.


Big Pharam is DEFINITELY trying to keep down Iboga. No way they're going slowly to try to be safe AND make money off this.

Fucking conspiracy theories.

No.... no that can't be true.

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Originally posted by enydo B-b-b-but what happens when ibogaine is recognized as the instant-panacea for mental illness that I'm sure it is and is then co-opted by big pharma and turned into a pill regimen similar to the medications available now for mental illness??

I know you're being facetious, but, for the idiots who aren't, if this shit was serious (and proven, and ready) then they would make it and sell it for somewhere between $100,000 and $1,000,000 a pop, and PEOPLE WOULD BUY IT. Insurance companies would figure out a way to make it profitable for everyone involved. The government would get involved in subsiding it, probably, since a cure to mental illness would be a fantastic productivity booster.

God damned conspiracy bullshit.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN you can opine all you like, you haven't actually provided any evidence to support your suspicions that big pharma are keeping iboga on the down low.

It was never my intention to provide evidence, hence it was an opinion. You haven't provided any either, by the way, to your opinion.

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you even state below that there could be clinical trials coming, which clearly undermines your point.

Clinical trials in Holland, where it's already legal.

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are you for real? how much attention do you pay? http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...t-a-higher-cost

That's not hundreds of thousands/millions of dollars.

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Originally posted by Lews I'm sure the lack of serious study into Iboga is all because big pharama is controlled by psychopathic capitalists, and not because of deaths experienced by users: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22268458 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16698188 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23123541

The amount of deaths vs. user experience is quite disproportionate. There are likely many more deaths resulting from various prescribed medications (including over-the-counter drugs) and hospital visits then there are from Iboga. Furthermore, all deaths from Iboga/Ibogaine seem to be attributed to other causes, rather than to Iboga/Ibogaine itself (with the possible exceptions of extreme overdose).

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Originally posted by Lews Five more fucking minutes on the internet found this article: http://www.newscastmedia.com/4investors_africa.pdf see pages 11 and 12 for the god damned patents that have been filed for iboga treatments. Here's one: http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...=DN/20050288375 Filed by Myriad Genetics, a pharama company with a market cap of over $2 billion. Big Pharam is DEFINITELY trying to keep down Iboga. No way they're going slowly to try to be safe AND make money off this. Fucking conspiracy theories.

hahahaha.

iboga cures all mental ills, except stupidity

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Originally posted by Lews I know you're being facetious, but, for the idiots who aren't, if this shit was serious (and proven, and ready) then they would make it and sell it for somewhere between $100,000 and $1,000,000 a pop, and PEOPLE WOULD BUY IT. Insurance companies would figure out a way to make it profitable for everyone involved. The government would get involved in subsiding it, probably, since a cure to mental illness would be a fantastic productivity booster. God damned conspiracy bullshit.

Well, until that point, I'll continue paying nearly nothing for a prescription that has helped me immensely, and was prescribed via some evil psychiatrist who I'm sure was just looking to make a quick buck.

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Originally posted by Lews Big Pharam is DEFINITELY trying to keep down Iboga.

That's not what I said, however.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred It was never my intention to provide evidence, hence it was an opinion. You haven't provided any either, by the way, to your opinion.

? what opinion- that big pharma commercialise anything they can get their hands on? really?

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Clinical trials in Holland, where it's already legal.

? Holland are out of the reach of big pharma?

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred That's not hundreds of thousands/millions of dollars.

can you do maths? the cure costs up to $100k per person

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The launch of Sovaldi, the $1,000-a-day pill for hepatitis C, is shaping up as the most successful ever. The Food and Drug Administration approved the pill in December. And then Gilead Sciences was off to the races. The company said it sold $2.27 billion worth of Sovaldi in the quarter that ended March 31. $2.27 billion!

so not only is it a cure, it is actually a sales record in pharma

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred That's not what I said, however.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Yes, and Iboga should also be legalized. But that would put big pharma companies, rehab centers, therapists and psychiatrists out of business, so it ain't gonna happen.

Shit I really need to go re-watch Spaced one of these days.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ? what opinion- that big pharma commercialise anything they can get their hands on? really?

No, this one:

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN big pharma certainly don't oppose the legalisation of iboga because such legalisation opens avenues for further research and commercialisation of possible medicinal benefits (ie profits)

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? Holland are out of the reach of big pharma?

Holland is not the US, which my original post was in reference to.

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can you do maths? the cure costs up to $100k per person

"The FDA has approved a once-a-day pill...reported at $1,125 per tablet. 'The therapy is called Harvoni, and it combines two new drugs into a single pill that's taken once a day. Gilead says the pill cures more than 93 percent of patients, sometimes in as little time as eight weeks.'"

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred "The FDA has approved a once-a-day pill...reported at $1,125 per tablet. 'The therapy is called Harvoni, and it combines two new drugs into a single pill that's taken once a day. Gilead says the pill cures more than 93 percent of patients, sometimes in as little time as eight weeks.'"

So it costs a MINIMUM of $63,000 and normally costs more.

Are you sure the Iboga helped your head work better? Your seeming to have some serious problems with general math here.

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