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Originally posted by DJ RANN Yosemite is honestly great. I've actually had no compatibility issues (well apart from perian in quicktime trying to convert everything rather than just damnwell playing it). I actually have grown to love the fresh install. Not fun on a PC but on a mac it's done in like an hour.

Yeah I'm liking it, looks nice as well. Just got a couple things left to put in place to get things set up as I want, then I'll create an image of it all with time machine and I'm done.

Panic over!

Now lets get this thread back on track, don't think I could ever go back to windows

Hi

does Chrome OS get a look in?....i know there are some great web apps (audiotool) and the machines are so cheap.

A New 11.6 inch Chromebook is now 99 dollars on amazon....made By Asus and such brands.... with quad core 2 ghz CPU and quad core high end GPU. (rk3288) (ARM cpu)

There is good power there. Long battery life at 10 hours & exact same dimensions as Mac book air....web cams and bells and whistles and microphone etc. HDMI.

It is then just two mouse clicks to install Linux alongside your Chrome OS. "Crouton" is the free tool you use. THen you have Chrome OS and Linux running at the same time. Handy.

Then you can also run the laptop with a third OS like Android in many many ways....such as using Chrome browser with the free "ARC welder" extension.

Or you can use something like "Keepod" for full Android 5

You can, infact, put any OS you like onto a Chrombook by using SeaBIOS.....

anyhow...

Vin

Seriously, fuck windows.

I just got a new laptop from Best Buy. I know I always call those guys the blue shirted cvnts, but this time I got lucky; walked up the first guy I saw in the laptop section and he knew every single spec of every single computer they had, off by heart. I told him my requirements and he showed me each laptop and then found another that wasn;t on display that was perfect, which I ended up getting: Lenovo Edge 15" (i5, 8g Ram, touchscreen, backlit keyboard, HDMI etc) all for $600.

All great on paper. Working beautiful for the first 24 hours but came installed with tons of bloatware (mcaffee, lenovo tools, microsoft bullshit) and even fucking malware!

Got rid of all that then Windows 8 (pronounced "hate") wants to do a mandatory update. Fine. It does it all, check again, all updated and all patches applied. Finally done.

Then no fucking internet. Can only connect to ip6v compliant sites so only google, youtube and facebook.

I try everything. I mean from flushing the DNS, trying new DNS, static or fixed IPs, rebuilding the winsocks, re-registering the DLL's - you name it.

No fucking joy - just cannot get it to connect to the internet.

After 4 hours of this bollocks, I'm ready to take it back to best buy as it's loooking like a hardware malfunction now.

So I shut it down, but accidentally do restart, and when it starts up again, it starts installing some windows updates again (but this time no notification or prompts), and boom, internet fixed.

Their update removed all ip4v functionality, making internet impossible. Good job windows.

I have no idea how Microsoft is still in business, let alone one of the largest companies in the world.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Seriously, fuck windows. I just got a new laptop from Best Buy. I know I always call those guys the blue shirted cvnts, but this time I got lucky; walked up the first guy I saw in the laptop section and he knew every single spec of every single computer they had, off by heart. I told him my requirements and he showed me each laptop and then found another that wasn;t on display that was perfect, which I ended up getting: Lenovo Edge 15" (i5, 8g Ram, touchscreen, backlit keyboard, HDMI etc) all for $600. All great on paper. Working beautiful for the first 24 hours but came installed with tons of bloatware (mcaffee, lenovo tools, microsoft bullshit) and even fucking malware! Got rid of all that then Windows 8 (pronounced "hate") wants to do a mandatory update. Fine. It does it all, check again, all updated and all patches applied. Finally done. Then no fucking internet. Can only connect to ip6v compliant sites so only google, youtube and facebook. I try everything. I mean from flushing the DNS, trying new DNS, static or fixed IPs, rebuilding the winsocks, re-registering the DLL's - you name it. No fucking joy - just cannot get it to connect to the internet. After 4 hours of this bollocks, I'm ready to take it back to best buy as it's loooking like a hardware malfunction now. So I shut it down, but accidentally do restart, and when it starts up again, it starts installing some windows updates again (but this time no notification or prompts), and boom, internet fixed. Their update removed all ip4v functionality, making internet impossible. Good job windows. I have no idea how Microsoft is still in business, let alone one of the largest companies in the world.

If anything I would blame all the crap that comes with the default install. There are programs to remove it but it begs the question of why it was there in first place... But yeah, I really don't think Windows executes well on a laptop after having owned a Retina Macbook Pro... Makes every Windows laptop I have owned feel like utter dog shite

I know but I just couldn't be fucked to wipe and fresh install. I'd have to make a windows H8 bootable USB install drive, then spend the two hours it takes to install windows, and I would have gone through the same hell probably with the internet issue as it was a windows update (apparently a known fault) that disabled internet connectivity.

I know mac aren't perfect but you just don't get this level of bullshit. When you buy a new mac, it literally takes 15 minutes to setup. This laptop? Two days so far...

But it doesn't take 15 mins though.

First you have to make a bootable drive of windows. That's 10mins right there.

Then there's the installation. Sure 15mins on an SSD.

....but then it's the windows updates which is another 10 to 30 mins depending on how many/internet connection etc.

......then there's the drivers that windows installs thinking they are best, but they're not, so you have to install those too (I had endless problems with Windows installing a "newer driver" for my video chip on my last laptop that would result is BSOD so i had to manually install an older more stable driver).

...then there's all yor drivers for peripheral, non class compliant devices.

Then your software (which can be a full day for audio / video programs).

The fastest I've ever got a PC (and bear in mind I used to build PC's for a living at one point) is 2 hours. For all the shit I have to install these days? Closer to 4 hours.

Swings and roundabouts. When I had the Mac Mini I tried to revert back to an old OS with a clean install.

Not actually possible. Would not work, would not play ball.

Basically I couldn't permanently delete all the data on the HD, even though I thought I did. The new owner found all my old emails on there somehow but luckily was a decent dude and told me, and deleted them all.

mac can be funny with previous OS's. If the OS is older than the machine then often it won't play nice but I have no idea why anyone would ever want to do that anyway?

Fresh install (instead of restore a backup) is the only safe way to ever wipe a machine. Reason being is that on Mac, unlike PC, when you restore a back, it retains your current info while reverting back to a previous state, and if you have anything cloud linked or even imap email, all the info will still be available.

I never sell old computers. they just get kept and the amount of old data I have ridiculous. It would be the equivalent of never throwing anything away that you've ever bought. I still have a PC from the 90's at my parents house just in case I somehow need the data (I really have no idea what use it could be but the thought of parting with it gives me scary cold sweats).

Sounds like Id10T error.

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Originally posted by Robotrance - regarding MS updates: I disable that

That is effectively suicide security wise, I would not recommend that anyone ever do that if they value their personal and payment information

Not to mention that often newer drivers don't work at all with Windows after a certain number of service packs / patches.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN mac can be funny with previous OS's. If the OS is older than the machine then often it won't play nice but I have no idea why anyone would ever want to do that anyway? Fresh install (instead of restore a backup) is the only safe way to ever wipe a machine. Reason being is that on Mac, unlike PC, when you restore a back, it retains your current info while reverting back to a previous state, and if you have anything cloud linked or even imap email, all the info will still be available. I never sell old computers. they just get kept and the amount of old data I have ridiculous. It would be the equivalent of never throwing anything away that you've ever bought. I still have a PC from the 90's at my parents house just in case I somehow need the data (I really have no idea what use it could be but the thought of parting with it gives me scary cold sweats).

This is the thing, it was a current OS on the Mini which I upgraded, something broke so I tried to switch straight back. Even using a bootable external drive as per the instructions of the Apple instructions I just couldn't do it. The Mini refused to go back to the old OS. I admit to being a total Apple noob at the time, but this level of control is inherent to a PC setup.

Since swapping to W7 I haven't had a single, solitary issue with anyhing for 2 years or more, it's just as stable as OSX..... in my experience.

There are of course things that made me switch to a setup where I use both, but I can't really say one is 'better' than the other for any reason.

It's really hard to ignore the performance/� aspect of the PC too.

Speaking of windows I'm buying an alienware alpha to go with my xbox 1 in my living room quarters. I can't wait to get it. :happy:

To be honest, I'm looking forward to windows 10.

8.1 isn't terrible and it makes more sense on a multi use machine (touchscreen laptop) now, but honestly, it feel like a misstep.

7 was rock solid, although it really was just what the 2 previous versions (vista, me) should have been in the first place, it just took M$ 8 years to get there.

There is one thing though that i've realized about Windows (and maybe it's just me?), but windows begs you to tinker with it. you know, fuck with drivers, change settings, make it work exactly as you want to.

Whereas my mac just tells you to work. It's the simplicity; the lack of tinkering that makes you get on with shit. I'm sure my ADD has a lot ot do with it but Macs are ready to go and apart from install software, there's really nothing to do.

With this new Lenovo laptop, it;s going to need a fresh install of 8.1 to get the bloatware off it, then all the programs I need and then all the drivers, and then all the system changes I want etc etc etc.

PC's are made for people who want to tweak and they entice you to do so.

One thing I don't like about windows now is this centralized login bullshit for every app, like you do with gmail on a android smartphone. I don't want M$ to have access to all my accounts.

PC's

Hello

yes , there are a lot of cool Linux Operating systems that use only
RAM so they are fast. THey don't need any hard drive at all.

Hard drives are just for storage. Saving etc. You don't have to have a drive physically connected to the machine at all.

http://lazy-puppy.weebly.com/

LazY Puppy

Lazy comes with hundreds of audio tools FX etc. Realtime Kernel i think
free.

THere are other paid ones in 32 or 64 bit....like
http://www.getstudio1337.com/features-2/


these run with tiny amounts of ram. But a lot of ram is supported.

THey can be installed to chromebooks too. Modular based OS for music

V


Studio
Vince

Why are you using an HTPC for production? I suppopse there's some crossover but it seems a little off point for the task in hand.

KX studio

http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/

This "KX studio" pack of pro-audio tools is available free for x86 and ARM chip computers like Chromebooks or any Android gear
that also has Linux installed on it.

KX studio is also available free for windows. 32/64

if you have your computer with some existing Linux already on it, (such
as Debian OS or Ubuntu) then you can just install the full "KS studio install" called "Carla" from the Debian Library. This results in a highly customizable pro audio environment on a Linux machine.

Alternatively you can download the KX studio DVD which is "KX studio" already built into a version of the Linux operating system as 1 thing ready to go. So you would just install this DVD onto an empty computer.(Or the DVD runs LIVE without any install needed)

KX Studio has a good realtime kernel and selection of pro audio apps. Among them is Reaper DAW which is completely set up to run correctly with Wine and realtime kernels. VST is supported.

This KX studio system runs real quik even on x86 atom chips.

"KX studio's" group of audio tools is currently called "Carla" and it is also available in the ARM library of any popular Linux OS like "Debian Linux" OS.

However, Reaper won't be available inside the ARM versions of "KX studio" since Reaper needs a tool called "wine" and wine only works on x86 cpu chips.'

But all other apps for ARM chips are there such as the many Daws like Ardour and others.


So this "KX studio" system will run fine on cheap ARM Chromebooks that have had Linux Debian OS added to them via the "Crouton" tool..... or had a raw Linux install to the hard drive.

ye

V

Oh, you mean like a NUC. Some of them are getting quite beefy but they hi spec ones are still quite expensive.

Soon all "desktops" will be these or even PC's on a stick (like fully self contained computers on a USB stick).

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Originally posted by Zak McKracken its actually more like a kiosk PC to hang on the back of the monitor its small, quiet, flexible, and enough power for my use. oh and cheap.

I can't imagine what kind of software you're running with that, seeing mine would barely run Reason. It's purely for entertainment use.

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