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like everyones been saying practice practice practice
!!!


i would cue exactly on beat use the pitch control only (Dont touch the record, get used to that)for cueing, It all depends on what your used to.. but i find that if you cue off, youre pitch will be off, why do something in a more difficult manner when there is a simpler apporach.. if your used to cueing off beat, i find that your ear may addjust to taht sound which could be detremental to your mixing skills.. again it may work for some people but i do not suggest starting off like that

.... then find the right pitch

cue it back again and double check to make sure its perfect

with your monitors, try to have both tracks going into your earphones, with the one your going to cue @ a higher percentage in volume (if your mixer has that capability)

when in transition, switch the monitor to the track your fading out from (higher percentage or all the way), monitor it till the end of the transition, the more you do this the more you'll find that you wont have to the better you get


thats my 2 cents

Ok I got my turntables and beatmatched the day after. After about 3 hours of practice total. One week later I could beatmatch two easy tracks in like 5 minutes somewhat reliably. Two weeks later I almost always got em beatmatched in 5..

How did I do it?

The secret is that I had been practicing for about a year before hand?

How? Listening to great DJ sets on MP3 and tapping my foot.

Beatmatching is the mixture of the following: 20% developing your own style of manipulating the vinyl, %10 knowing what tune to pick to make beatmatching possible, and 70% listening.

I've found that you need to practice your ears, not your hands. As soon as you get frustrated trying to beatmatch.

Stop.. And just listen.. listen to your two records trainwreck and trainwreck .. close your eyes, and hear.. two songs at once.. tap your foot to one of them.. then tap your foot to the other one, then tap your foot to the other one.

Have a walkman handy, and listen to mixes everywhere you go.

Finally develop the one skill that will get you on your way to beatmatching. Listening to the tunes, and saying "they are not aligned" or.. "they are aligned"

once you can tell that you are going to get it very soon. Because then I recommend doing beatmatching in a reverse way. Instead of starting with two records that are totally not beatmatched and trying to beatmatch. Get two records with the exact same BPM (you have to have two with the same BPM if you have like 20 records). and put them on the decks with quartz lock.

Now.. get one going, slide the beat under the groove and push off (the VERY first skill you need to master). and get them going aligned.

Hear what it sounds like.. it will sound different than in your Tiesto mix, because your mixer, your headphones provide your ears with a very different experience.

What you are doing is training your ears to that experience.. Now take one record off quartz lock and move it a tiny bit off center. Keep in mind how much you move it off. Close your eyes and listen. Hear the beat slip out.. Hear what it sounds like. You know if it's too fast or too slow 'cause you changed the pitch. fix it by twisting the spindle or dragging your fingers on the platter or whatever.

Hear it drift off again. Notice how only a small change in the pitch leaves them relatively beatmatched. It sounds counter intuitive. But you will learn so much quicker when you are in control of what you hear, and you can train your ears. You can learn how much of a move in the pitch slider sends the track zipping past the other ones, you hear what it sounds like when they are together.

Then try pushing off these tracks with the pitch sliders close. And try to fix the cued deck as you hear it slip out. If you fix it by speeding up the disc, then pitch up, if you slowed down the disc and fix it slow down the pitch. You're beatmatching.

Now, if you don't have months of experience listening to two tracks at once, if they are lik 7 BPMs off from each other it will sound like chaos... And your best bet is to just hear that one is obviously faster than the other by listening to one then the other. Use that rule of thumb to get them ballpark near each other than use your technique to get the rest.

It will come. Just train your ears. It's 70% ear hand coordination and just plain out listening skill.

Hope this helps
-Esper

when you tryt to beatmatch a tune just drop the bass completely it will help

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Originally posted by j@y when you tryt to beatmatch a tune just drop the bass completely it will help

I would say teh opposite.. base is very deep with alot of echoe and length...

I would say cut the base completely and match with the faint bass hit you will hear in your earphones. this will make your beatmatching extremely precise.. then drop the bass to see how it sounds..

then agian this is how i do it.. its just My opinion. see what suits you best!

Very well put, Esper! And as everyone's been saying...PRACTICE!! Do not give up! I got frustrated when I got my tables over a year ago and watched them collect dust. It got to the point where I seriously thought about selling them and cutting my losses. But then my friend got tables one day and that pushed me on. 3 months later, I've come from not being able to beatmatch to worrying about smooth transitioning and playing with effects. Develop your own style, be patient and PRACTICE!

I experienced it to be easier to learn to match and manipulate on
TTs then in Traktor. In �Traktor I just got frustrated and pushed "auto"
and then said "to hell with it" but with TTs, there is no such thing.
The same reason why I didnt get a mixer with BPMcounter, I want to learn, not cheat.

Also it feels easier to be able to manipulate and change the nobs
and gadgets yourself then in Traktor.

Anways, like ppl said before.. practice practice practice.

PRATICE thats one thing you need to do, i took me a month to get my first beat match'd but it was worth the pain and blood ... i just try-ing to figure out what song is faster the one on the speakers or the one to be mixed .. then i adjust the pitch match the beat if it's not match'd adjust pitch and try agian ... but it take's time 2 do this in 30 sec

It's difficult, but eventually you'll get the hang of it... Don't worry about doing a great transition... Jus' worry about mixing tracks together... Maybe mixing w/ some house or techno instead of trance will help? Like said before, practice!

...

...as someone who has been doing various types of mixing on my computer for about a year and a half, a small part of me is dreading making the transition to turntables.

I'm doing it because I'm starting to feel really limited by the computer (well, the software I suppose), and a big part of that has to do with the computer's complete lack of tactility. Beatmatching with a mouse isn't exactly all that intuitive, compared to being able to reach out and touch your turntables.

However, the upside is that I'm quite certain that I have the ear for it, and I'm fortunate enough to have years of experience on a variety of musical instruments. Just going to be harsh those first few weeks, when I'm sitting there looking at a set of Technics, and things just aren't happening as quickly as I might like.

'Tis a challenge though.

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Originally posted by Scottaculous Have one ear listening to your headphones and ear listening to the moniters. Then try and hear both tracks playing at once as a whole. Which track is faster should be apparent then.

uhmm..well...depending on which mixer you have I'd put both channels on the headphones. Normal mixers above 70$ have that feature usually

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