TranceAddict Forums (www.tranceaddict.com/forums)
- Chill Out Room
-- Severe and dangerous personality disorder
Pages (5): « 1 [2] 3 4 5 »

quote:

Originally posted by Chimney Many people don't seem to understand (not referring to you, but generally) that personality disorders are not diseases per se, but traits etched in our personogenesis.

No, that I understand. What I don't understand, as I mentioned, is how the psychiatrist can concurrently say one has psychotic symptoms and a mood disorder, and a severe personality disorder, when the so-called "normal" personality is missing, as it were, due to the mental illness. So the unstable moods, mood swings, high dudgeon, etc. are not a result of a "personality disorder," but rather a result of the mental illness and the debilitating symptoms themselves, which cause the severe distress.

What' I'm aiming at is that most people who develop mental illness don't feel like "themselves." Like their personality and identity is stripped away from them, as it were. It's fine to say one has a personality disorder when one doesn't present with a mental illness, or when one is in remission, but obviously one who may be having psychotic symptoms can be distressed to the point of presenting with features that one may think is "severe and dangerous."

What is all this mumbo jumbo shit, LOL.

Its either you get it or you don't

quote:

Originally posted by AlphaStarred No, that I understand. What I don't understand, as I mentioned, is how the psychiatrist can concurrently say one has psychotic symptoms and a mood disorder, and a severe personality disorder, when the so-called "normal" personality is missing, as it were, due to the mental illness. So the unstable moods, mood swings, high dudgeon, etc. are not a result of a "personality disorder," but rather a result of the mental illness and the debilitating symptoms themselves, which cause the severe distress. What' I'm aiming at is that most people who develop mental illness don't feel like "themselves." Like their personality and identity is stripped away from them, as it were.

I see your point. First off, it would be a good thing to establish which mental illness we are talking about and under which of its portraits. If we take schizophrenia - which is the leading cause of psychotic episodes - and combine it with a mood disorder, we have something called 'schizoaffective disorder'. A quote from Mayoclinic:

quote:

Schizoaffective disorder is a condition in which a person experiences a combination of schizophrenia symptoms � such as hallucinations or delusions � and mood disorder symptoms, such as mania or depression.

However this is only possible in certain manifestations of schizophrenia, taken as the negative symptoms are beyond mood-disorders. We can take hebephrenic schizophrenia (disorganized) or catatonic schizophrenia which pretty much have a are a zero-sum affective stance:

quote:

The most prominent features of disorganized schizophrenia are not delusions and hallucinations, as they are in paranoid schizophrenia [...] a state of neurogenic motor immobility and behavioral abnormality manifested by stupor

I won't comment any further since I�ve only heard of such cases and never seen one during my student years. However, according to my professor, people that have catatonic form of schizophrenia do not have the ability to eat, speak, dress, move or anything else.

The line beyond personality disorder and mental illness is often a very clear one, supported by the fact that PD kick in around the age of ~25 when the persona-genesis is done while schizophrenia most often has it's start around the age of 15-17 or in early childhood.

The mix between a personality disorder and mental illness is kind of rare - over here anyway.

Treatment is syndrome specific. That's why there's a plethora of neuroleptics out there.

I feel bad for some of these people. Especially those don't help themselves. I'm on a great diet, run every morning in the beach, and so on. My symptoms are feels like they are disappearing etc. I use to be alone at home eating my life away chilling in the core. But when I'm off my meds all hell breaks loose, so i'm very dependent on it.

quote:

Originally posted by Chimney I won't comment any further since I�ve only heard of such cases and never seen one during my student years. However, according to my professor, people that have catatonic form of schizophrenia do not have the ability to eat, speak, dress, move or anything else.

Damn really? When I did my mental health rotation I saw many. One patient went off his meds and the police had to drag him out of his parents' tool shed where they finally found him. His hair was all full of mats, fingernails overgrown, unshaven, soiled himself, etc etc. Was pretty neat to witness his transition back to "normalcy" over the weeks I did my placement there.

Yeah thats me off meds, ho shit.

We live next door to a rooming house for people with mental illnesses. I always know when someone is off their meds, cause I'll get home from work and there'll be an ambulance in their driveway, lol.

I always felt unsafe when I got vaceracted or how ever you spell it. I don't trust thee cwazies. One thought i was cool cuz i looked like pauly d at the time LOL but he lost 3 fingers due to a fight the next day with another male.

Some are ok but it took me days to let my guard down and just feel loose around everyone.

Well as far as our neighbours go, we have always felt really safe with them next door. They're a hell of a lot better neighbours than the other douche next to us. Plus they have social workers and nurses around all the time to provide support.

I'm not really bothered by "crazies". My mother suffered with pretty severe mental illness, and I have a fairly strong educational background in mental health disorders.

I really feel for people with mental health issues and I know how the stigma ruins their lives...seen how they get treated like second class citizens, understand the utter loneliness and isolation they feel. I totally get what Chimney is saying about the caution used when applying labels - it really does fuck people over.

Well I guess that your point of view. I guess its just part of my paranoia which is party of my illness; paranoid schitz. I love my meds, its the only thing keeping me normal. Without them i pretend to hear melissa's voice and eat, sleep, play games, get fat.

My meds is like my tackling fuel.



My best friend's sister likes me a lot. But i don't feel right tapping that this early in my diet come back nah mean? shit is already going down.

quote:

Originally posted by Innocence Lost I love my meds, its the only thing keeping me normal.

This is what you call normal?

quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Mystery This is what you call normal?

Hell yeah bitch.

Speaking of getting treated like 2nd class citizen. Everytime i'm seriously happy or excited organik like hmm manic phase? like some retard wanna be prof.

Antisocial bitch.

quote:

Originally posted by Innocence Lost Speaking of getting treated like 2nd class citizen. Everytime i'm seriously happy or excited organik like hmm manic phase? like some retard wanna be prof. Antisocial bitch.

You are a lunatic who needs to be locked up. For your own sake.

quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Mystery You are a lunatic who needs to be locked up. For your own sake.

Your just hating and we all see it. You have have to be blind not to.

quote:

Originally posted by Silky Johnson Damn really? When I did my mental health rotation I saw many. One patient went off his meds and the police had to drag him out of his parents' tool shed where they finally found him. His hair was all full of mats, fingernails overgrown, unshaven, soiled himself, etc etc. Was pretty neat to witness his transition back to "normalcy" over the weeks I did my placement there.

We saw a couple of people suffering from schizophrenia, but not the severe type that they spoke about. Besides, most of those patients were already under medication and in remission so they were pretty calm. We didn�t encounter any problem except some maniac chick who started telling a girl-colleague of mine she�s got "cock sucking lips". She started to cry, everybody started to laugh (including the maniac) and it was good times.

Anyway, we heard some terrifying cases of schizophrenics, but didn�t see the real hardcore treatment resistant cases. Needless to say, one needs to be extremely calm and understanding when dealing with such people. I lost count on the amount of times our courses got interrupted by some patients who just wanted to say �hi�.

Mentally ill people are extremely stigmatized in society. Probably due to the great amount of fictional movies and unclear understanding of what these diseases mean. I don�t know.

PS. My colleague really had a filling pair of lips.

quote:

Originally posted by Chimney Mentally ill people are extremely stigmatized in society. Probably due to the great amount of fictional movies and unclear understanding of what these diseases mean. I don�t know.

That is unfortunately very true. It also raises the bar for a lot of people to seek help.

quote:

Originally posted by Chimney PS. My colleague really had a filling pair of lips.

We say "full" pair of lips. "Filling" implies that you ate her lips and that they filled you up quickly.

Or maybe you did mean that.

Chimney, do you know if it's possible to be psychotic/have psychotic symptoms without hallucinations, voices, or severe delusions and paranoia? Have you seen people with Social Anxiety occasionally misdiagnosed as psychotic or Schizophrenic/SZA?

quote:

Originally posted by AlphaStarred Chimeny, do you know if it's possible to be psychotic/have psychotic symptoms without hallucinations, voices, or severe delusions and paranoia? Have you seen people with Social Anxiety occasionally misdiagnosed as psychotic or Schizophrenic/SZA?

Well, psychosis pretty much means one is unaware of the difference between reality and non-reality. It is possible for a psychosis episode to be associated with depression as an example. So basically the question, regardless of symptoms, is whether or not the person makes a difference between reality or not.

Social anxiety is a neurosis, which means that the person is aware of what is going on and his/her condition. I doubt that a psychosis episode can happen by default to someone suffering from this.

I guess if the social anxiety would display itself with unrealistic views, it could be possible, but highly improbable.

quote:

Originally posted by Chimney Mentally ill people are extremely stigmatized in society. Probably due to the great amount of fictional movies and unclear understanding of what these diseases mean. I don�t know.

The common idea that all psychopath/sociopath/anti-social sufferers are all one-step away from pulling a Patrick Bateman fantasy has always confused the hell out of me.

quote:

Originally posted by Lews The common idea that all psychopath/sociopath/anti-social sufferers are all one-step away from pulling a Patrick Bateman fantasy has always confused the hell out of me.

Yea, people usually think of the psychopath type like Chistian Bale, handsome, rich and in position of power. The intelligent psychopath, however that is a bit far away from the truth. I actually did a study on this and all �nti-social (psychopaths) were either unemployed or uneducated. A lot of truck drivers :P

Highly educated people are usually those suffering from anankastic personality disorder, the perfectionists which end up either with OCD, depression or both.

EDIT: I read "the Intelligence of psychopaths" two years ago. It was an interesting view, but it was like taking the upper 1% and saying everybody is like that.

quote:

Originally posted by Chimney Well, psychosis pretty much means one is unaware of the difference between reality and non-reality. It is possible for a psychosis episode to be associated with depression as an example. So basically the question, regardless of symptoms, is whether or not the person makes a difference between reality or not. Social anxiety is a neurosis, which means that the person is aware of what is going on and his/her condition. I doubt that a psychosis episode can happen by default to someone suffering from this. I guess if the social anxiety would display itself with unrealistic views, it could be possible, but highly improbable.

I've also read and heard it's possible to have insight into one's psychosis. Have you witnessed/learned about this? Also, I've read that "hyperawareness" where everything is brighter and clearer to the vision and sounds appear louder, external stimuli flooding the overly alert brain can be a symptom of psychosis. Can this also be a symptom of an anxiety disorder, even if the symptom is chronic and not relevant to a specific place or situation?

quote:

Originally posted by AlphaStarred Also, I've read that "hyperawareness" where everything is brighter and clearer to the vision and sounds appear louder, external stimuli flooding the overly alert brain can be a symptom of psychosis. Can this also be a symptom of an anxiety disorder, even if the symptom is chronic and not relevant to a specific place or situation?

AFAIK it can be related to anxiety, but it can also be completely separate with no connection to anything.

Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright © 2000-2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.