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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Someone who lives in Belgium told me he sees it happening.

At certain places or neighborhoods it will happen, also here, but in general this behavior for sure is not accepted in my opinion.


Meanwhile, at 70 km from me at the right side in Germany (Belgium at the left) this is getting a lot of attention:

Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/05/e...-year-assaults/

https://gma.yahoo.com/feds-arrest-2-refugees-terror-related-charges-024447765--abc-news-topstories.html?soc_src=copy

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Authorities arrested two refugees -- one in Sacramento and one in Houston -- Thursday on terror-related charges, according to the Department of Justice. Sacramento resident Aws Mohammed Younis Al-Jayab was arrested on charges of making a false statement involving international terrorism, according to the Department of Justice. The 23-year-old allegedly traveled overseas to fight alongside terrorist organizations and lied to U.S. authorities about his activities, Assistant Attorney General Carlin said in a release. Authorities allege Al-Jayab, a Palestinian born in Iraq, traveled to Syria to fight with terrorist organizations in the area. There is no indication that he planned an act of terrorism in the United States. Al-Jayab came to the United States as a refugee in October 2012. While he was living in Arizona between October 2012 and November 2013, he communicated with numerous other individuals over social media about his intent to return to Syria to fight for terrorist organizations, the complaint said. On Oct. 30, 2012, Al-Jayab allegedly told an individual over social media to find him a way into Syria if he flew to Turkey. "I want them to help me financially so I can return," he allegedly wrote the next day to different individual. On March 13, 2013, Al-Jayab allegedly asked someone how he could enter Syria with an American passport, the complaint said. Up until October of that year, he allegedly discussed weaponry tactics with several individuals online. He then flew from Chicago to Istanbul, Turkey on Nov. 9, 2013 and entered Syria, authorities said. On Dec. 17 of that year, he allegedly told someone that he was "afraid of being imprisoned in America [because] the government is alert for everything, [and] my trip here constitutes a charge." Al-Jayab allegedly reported on social media that he was in Syria fighting with various terrorist organizations including Ansar al-Islam between November 2013 and January 2014, according to the complaint. He returned to the U.S. via London and Los Angeles on Jan. 23, 2014 and settled in Sacramento. When Al-Jayab was interviewed by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services on Oct. 6, 2014, he denied that he had ever been a member of any rebel group or militia; had ever provided material support for any person or group engaged in terrorist activity; and that he had been a member of a group, or assisted in a group, which used or threatened the use of weapons against others. Al-Jayab also allegedly stated that he visited Syria to visit his grandmother, the complaint said, which alleges that all of the statements he made were false. If convicted, Al-Jayab faces eight years in prison and a $250,000 fine. There is no current threat to public safety associated with this arrest, said the spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office.Omar Faraj Saeed Al Hardan, a Palestinian national born in Iraq, allegedly attempted to provide material support and resources to ISIS, according to a criminal complaint. Al Hardan came to the U.S. in November 2009 from Iraq as a refugee and was granted permanent legal status in August 2011. During his interview to become a naturalized citizen in Texas on Aug. 14, 2014, he stated he was not in any way associated with a terrorist organization and that he had never received any weapons training, which was not true, the complaint said. The complaint said that he was associated with ISIL through 2014 and the al-Nusrah Front in 2013 and 2014. It was not clear if either suspect had representation. The FBI encouraged the public to voice their concerns to law enforcement if they encounter individuals who express an intent to do harm or claim allegiance to a terrorist group.

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Originally posted by tranzformer Ever since Europe started allowing "diversity" in the last 50 years, the place has gone down hill. In terms of morals, culture...etc. Not sure there will be a Europe as we know it by the next generation.

if you're European..ie. a colourless person...ie. not a person of colour...then you are not allowed to say that

and you can't say that you want to have your own nation with mainly other Europeans like you...because that's Nazi racist, and you are Hitler

but you can say that if you're Jewish. they have their own Country....a country for Jews. and you can only pass on real Jewish blood if your Mother was Jew...and that not racist either...because..Holocaust....

but......being a colourless person myself...a culturally boring racist evil person who is born with privilege over all other races......it's hard to just have a laugh sometimes, i take life way too seriously......

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Originally posted by Trance-M Meanwhile, at 70 km from me at the right side in Germany (Belgium at the left) this is getting a lot of attention: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046 http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/05/e...-year-assaults/

Someone posted that exact same BBC article yesterday, which is why the thread got bumped up.

Read much?

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Originally posted by Vector A Someone posted that exact same BBC article yesterday, which is why the thread got bumped up. Read much?

Well, actually the one I linked is two days older, so it's not exactly the same, but I didn't go back till the first page so must admit that I missed that post.

How many of you are voting for trump?

Trump is even more of an idiot than Merkle.

I would never vote for him.

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Originally posted by soulstar606 if you're European..ie. a colourless person...ie. not a person of colour...then you are not allowed to say that and you can't say that you want to have your own nation with mainly other Europeans like you...because that's Nazi racist, and you are Hitler but you can say that if you're Jewish. they have their own Country....a country for Jews. and you can only pass on real Jewish blood if your Mother was Jew...and that not racist either...because..Holocaust.... but......being a colourless person myself...a culturally boring racism's evil person who is born with privilege over all other races......it's hard to just have a laugh sometimes, i take life way too seriously......

Pfft, the only thing stopping you is yourself and or other "colorless" people some of you are really dillusional

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Originally posted by Vector A Trump is even more of an idiot than Merkle.

I'd say Merkel is a pretty fucking strong leader, given the strength and development of her country and the way, as the effective leader of Europe, she has navigated some pretty major problems facing the entire continent. And given that she is leader of the conservative Christian Democratic Union and famously stated in 2010 that efforts to build a multicultural German society have totally failed, her "open borders" policy in the face of the refugee crisis is a quite remarkable triumph of compassion over ideology.

Here is a leader who has openly criticised the failures of integration and yet has responded to that failure by trying to make things better, whereas just about everyone in this thread would seemingly respond to that failure by throwing every single member of a religion out of the country, nay - make that the continent.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J whereas just about everyone in this thread would seemingly respond to that failure by throwing every single member of a religion out of the country, nay - make that the continent.

That's just how the world seems to work nowadays - treat the symptom, ignore the cause.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I'd say Merkel is a pretty fucking strong leader, given the strength and development of her country and the way, as the effective leader of Europe, she has navigated some pretty major problems facing the entire continent. And given that she is leader of the conservative Christian Democratic Union and famously stated in 2010 that efforts to build a multicultural German society have totally failed, her "open borders" policy in the face of the refugee crisis is a quite remarkable triumph of compassion over ideology. Here is a leader who has openly criticised the failures of integration and yet has responded to that failure by trying to make things better, whereas just about everyone in this thread would seemingly respond to that failure by throwing every single member of a religion out of the country, nay - make that the continent.

This is sarcasm, right?

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Originally posted by Vector A Trump is even more of an idiot than Merkle.

You reckon Merkel is an idiot? I know you read a lot so I'm confused as to why you'd even think that.

On top of what Sys said, she single-handedly made Syriza bend backwards to give the Euro some more breathing room - had Greece collapsed at the time, the refugee crisis in Europe would've been a lot worse and could destabilise Southern Europe as a whole. Germany became EU's leader under her watch, albeit a reluctant one, and that's definitely for the better.

Trump isnt so much a fool as his core base of support is. As a case study he is extremely interesting. His persuasion techniques, marketing genius , public speaking, etc. are remarkable.

Whats even more interesting is the paralels between his message and bernie sanders message. Thats perhaps why there is an interesting overlap between some of their fan base.

Trumps rhetoric is divisive, yet he critiques the current administration for polarizing people.

To be honest, as much as I dislike Trump for his exploitation of social changes in America caused in large due to globalization, technological innovations/progress that has outpaced the "middle generation" as i call them ( 30s -late 50s) in the past 20-30 years.

If anything, Trumps contribution has been to get people talking more seriously about issues such as illegal immigration and religious fundamentalism (radical islam) , however Trumps stance is completely reactive (overreactive) and non realistic.

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Originally posted by LoveHate Pfft, the only thing stopping you is yourself and or other "colorless" people some of you are really dillusional

it sucks being colourless.....imagine koolaid without the kool....thats European genetics. a person without colour....

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Originally posted by Marcus Summers This is sarcasm, right?

I don't know. Is your whole existence on this forum a lovingly detailed self-parody?

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Originally posted by Marcus Summers This is sarcasm, right?

I share J and Lira's view on Merkel, I'm surprised to read you and Vector A have a totally different view, actually I thought both of you were trolling.

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Originally posted by Lira You reckon Merkel is an idiot? I know you read a lot so I'm confused as to why you'd even think that.

On this particular issue, yes. In other respects she strikes me as a pretty competent leader.

Neither the quasi-fascist demagoguery of someone like Trump or "let's declare every olive-skinned, dark-haired person who doesn't speak any recognizably European language other than rudimentary English to be a 'refugee'" seem like very reasonable solutions to me.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I don't know. Is your whole existence on this forum a lovingly detailed self-parody?

You got me, bud. Internet communities are extremely important to me and you've hurt my feelings with your incredible wit.

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Originally posted by Trance-M I share J and Lira's view on Merkel, I'm surprised to read you and Vector A have a totally different view, actually I thought both of you were trolling.

Yeah, it's wierd. A Web forum full of PLURtards still clinging to their dead genre think I'm trolling.

If you think allowing 1,000,000+ Muslims into your country shows competence, I'm afraid you are too far gone to ever see reason. "Compassion" in this case is endangering the western world.

In the real world, we call this "Pathological Altruism".

I'm distinctly unterrified by these cataclysmic developments.

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Originally posted by Marcus Summers You got me, bud. Internet communities are extremely important to me and you've hurt my feelings with your incredible wit. Yeah, it's wierd. A Web forum full of PLURtards still clinging to their dead genre think I'm trolling. If you think allowing 1,000,000+ Muslims into your country shows competence, I'm afraid you are too far gone to ever see reason. "Compassion" in this case is endangering the western world. In the real world, we call this "Pathological Altruism".

I would say region of the world matters more than the religious identification. Mexicans are predominantly christian and yet 1,000,000 crossing the border at once or aggregately(many more than a million have already crossed)) would be perceived as unfavorable.

Both extremes are bad, that is cultural isolation (the favored approach of the far right) is as bad as an open borer policy of multi-culturalism


The EU's open border policy has proven to be a disastor when put to the test. I would say due to a couple of reasons:

1) Taking too many people in during too short a period of time. This prevents cultural assimilation into the dominant western secular culture. Immigrant groups are able to gravitate towards each other in MASS numbers and form their own isolated communities. where they can continue their cultural norms and maintain a high degree of nationalism to their previous country. This occurs in the United States but with a few key differences. One being "scope and size" and two being interconnectedness to the rest of society. Micro communities exist in the U.S, especially in big cities but the ke word is "micro" relative to their surroundings and how they are connected and dispersed within the larger culture as a whole.

2) Shaira law is not caompatiable with the western and as whole , the "modern world" i.e other parts of asia and even latin america. The middle east area and tip of northern africa is a hotbed for extremism which has been seriously exacerbated due to western involvement and destabilization of the area, supported regime changes which has created vacuums of power. Muslim world and muslim in general ( being that it is well on its way to being the worlds most practiced religion) I would say is a 50-50 or 60-40 split between moderates, free thinkers etc. and "other". I consider other to be either islamic extremists or sympathizers (which is very surprisingly a disturbingly high number) .

It is my sincere belief that Europe was hoping to use the influx of people as a way to spur some sectors of the economy with new workers and a new labor force, similar to how mexicans for a time helped insulate the U.S economy during the economic crises by reducing cost of labor ( due to working for below minumum wages) and creating more disposable income for the rest of the economy which would be infused into the economy via consumer spending. (however to the dissatisfaction of the blue collar lower middle class "middle generation" who saw their jobs being taken away)

However due to the large numbers ans inability to culturally assimilate , and lack of vetting, it has become a disaster. However it is still too early to tell, more time is needed to study it.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I'm distinctly unterrified by these cataclysmic developments.

You don't have to be terrified to be an ignoramous.

Last time we had a discussion about immigrants you swiftly revealed that you knew fuck-all about the subject, so I'd keep zip if I were you.

I bet his parents wish he would immigrate out of their house.

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Originally posted by Vector A Neither the quasi-fascist demagoguery of someone like Trump or "let's declare every olive-skinned, dark-haired person who doesn't speak any recognizably European language other than rudimentary English to be a 'refugee'" seem like very reasonable solutions to me.

I don't think that's Merkel's stance towards refugees.

When she made that Palestinian girl cry, she explicitly said the country couldn't just welcome everyone and would have to send some people back. When refugees arrived en masse, Germany actually did the most sensible thing: According to Schengen rules, they couldn't just close the borders, so the best they could do was deal with the refugees after they arrived. It was the right thing to do because people were risking their lives in the Mediterranean, and there was little Greece, Libya, Turkey, and Italy could do to stop the humanitarian crisis. Stopping people from going would be just as troublesome.

Abbott, Australia's former prime minister, tried to "stop the boats" (which you can argue is a way to deal with the problem). In a way, boats stopped arriving, but that's because the Aussie taxpayer was already footing the bill paying for offshore asylum processing centres re-opened during the last Labour government, and would-be refugees were being sent there. Could Europe do something on a similar scale? Unlikely as it's too fragmented. Would it be worth trying if it could? You'll probably agree detaining hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers is just infeasible, so this is probably another dead-end.

In short, Germany isn't just welcoming everyone with open arms. It's just trying to deal with the situation in the most realistic possible way.

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