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You might find it interesting researching something like Maschine or Ableton Push. Both allow you to take advantage of the DAW advantage, with the advantage of being fully hands on and mouse free if you wish. It's all advantage tbh!

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Originally posted by tehlord You might find it interesting researching something like Maschine or Ableton Push. Both allow you to take advantage of the DAW advantage, with the advantage of being fully hands on and mouse free if you wish. It's all advantage tbh!

+1

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Originally posted by tehlord It's all advantage tbh!

lol...nice! I'll defo look into it, I know someone who uses Push with hardware, and he's really pushing the boundaries in his sound. Thanks guys!

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred I really would prefer not to record on cassette lol. Using a DAT and having it break on me in the past was a pain in the backside.

So something nonlinear then? Other than the cheapo multitrack mixers mentioned above there's not much else other than insanely expensive equipment combinations like the Tascam DA-6400 HDD recorder with a Dante or MADI expansion card and separate ADDA interface(s), along with a mixing console.

Honestly, I'd just stick with a DAW and multichannel interface.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred That's pretty much my budget. Would you consider picking it up and shipping it to me? I'll pay all costs, of course and whatever you decide to charge me for your time and effort. I read that it has AUX send/receive, unlike the Korg D888, right? I'd be able to use my external FX unit with it, I assume. EDIT: doesn't look like it has an EQ for each channel, like the D888, right? Seems like it's only accessible via the menu, which is rather unfortunate.

Oops, I just noticed this. Well, yeah, if you decide to buy this, I could probably help you out with that. Yes, it does have AUX sends, but you'd have to use the channel inputs (and some of your 32 channels) for receive. And, yes, the EQs are in menus (along with just about everything), but the menus are fairly easy to navigate from my recollection.

Anyway, it looks like you're considering other options now, so let's see where you land. My 2c is that, as much as I love the hands-on aspect of music-making, DAWs are far more convenient, easier, and less frustrating to work with than these multi-track units.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Anyway, it looks like you're considering other options now, so let's see where you land. My 2c is that, as much as I love the hands-on aspect of music-making, DAWs are far more convenient, easier, and less frustrating to work with than these multi-track units.

Thanks, gonna look into the DAW possibility, see if I can make it work with my current laptop.

I like to produce in my mind, does anyone know how to export the audio?

Here you go Troll

Honestly, to echo Geoff's first response, there's really no legit reason to try to multitrack on anything other than a DAW, unless you buy or have access to tape (2") and that would be for the analogue debate reasons.

I originally learned to mix on analogue but automated desks going in to DA-88s. Fucking pain in the arse and there's a reason they're basically worthless now. I also used Alesis HD24's which in fairness were a step up but again, made somewhat redundant by any basic DAW.

DA-88"s take special tapes and best practice is to run them for 30 mins each before first use so factor that in too, not to mention, they're fragile and getting increasingly rarer.

I know you may want to keep everything OTB, but the final recording medium is where you're really shooting yourself in the foot for the sake of purity by not using a DAW, even just for the I/O of tracking. It's going to end up in a digital format regardless so there's really pointless to try to go oldschool, unless as I said you have some really nice Studer or Atari tape machine and plenty of tape and secure storage nowhere close to powerlines, trainlines, humidity or moisture for their lifespan (which is only about 80 years anyway).

Oh and tape only actually has about 10bit usable headroom so your dynamic range is limited to 60db, so you better have an impeccable signal chain with zero noise floor to get to tape hot enough for modern standards. good luck

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 Here you go Troll

I prefer to hook up the midi sensors to the veins of my cock. How else do you think I get those intense build-ups and lush breakdowns?

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Originally posted by MSZ I prefer to hook up the midi sensors to the veins of my cock. How else do you think I get those intense build-ups and lush breakdowns?

So that's why your tracks always end too soon.

LOL!!

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Honestly, to echo Geoff's first response, there's really no legit reason to try to multitrack on anything other than a DAW, unless you buy or have access to tape (2") and that would be for the analogue debate reasons. I originally learned to mix on analogue but automated desks going in to DA-88s. Fucking pain in the arse and there's a reason they're basically worthless now. I also used Alesis HD24's which in fairness were a step up but again, made somewhat redundant by any basic DAW. DA-88"s take special tapes and best practice is to run them for 30 mins each before first use so factor that in too, not to mention, they're fragile and getting increasingly rarer. I know you may want to keep everything OTB, but the final recording medium is where you're really shooting yourself in the foot for the sake of purity by not using a DAW, even just for the I/O of tracking. It's going to end up in a digital format regardless so there's really pointless to try to go oldschool, unless as I said you have some really nice Studer or Atari tape machine and plenty of tape and secure storage nowhere close to powerlines, trainlines, humidity or moisture for their lifespan (which is only about 80 years anyway). Oh and tape only actually has about 10bit usable headroom so your dynamic range is limited to 60db, so you better have an impeccable signal chain with zero noise floor to get to tape hot enough for modern standards. good luck

I don't know why you're still mentioning tape and analog, when I've clearly said I'm considering either daw or digital. The only reason I'm considering daw is for stems - otherwise I don't see the point, when I can just continue to use my mixer and a Korg D888 or Tascam DP-24SD for recording. Plus, as Geoff mentioned earlier, wih a daw there will be latency issues, which I don't see occurring if I use the other option.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery So that's why your tracks always end too soon.

rekt

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery So that's why your tracks always end too soon.

lol

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