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Originally posted by Trance-M Why? Marcus is not really looking for a Ferrari, Lambo, Pagini, Bentley, Aston Martin, Rolls, or McLaren. That's the only reason that I can imagine a list with Italian and British cars at the top.

Few key notes you're forgetting. I'd honestly recommend Marcus getting a fiat, since those are the most popular cars in Brazil. Second, what's wrong with Alfa romeo? Italian cars are the best cars in the world imho. Price range excluded. Also, I'd much rather have a mini cooper than basically anything american within that price range.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk I would definitely buy Japanese over American. Is Mazda a thing down there?

Unfortunately not. I don't think I've ever seen a Mazda in a place that didn't end in jpg

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Originally posted by wotyzoid 1. Italian 2. Japanese 3. German 4. British 5. American That's an ordered, car shopping, priorities list. You're welcome.

Brazilianly speaking, this is actually a good list for both upmarket vehicles and starter cars (I'm only buying a new car because my 1994 Uno was stolen, so I agree with Italian taking the top spot). The problem is that I'm squeezed in between both categories because I want something sturdy and comfortable, so it can withstand the test of time (and the occasional potholes ), but I can't afford a much better car because they're way more expensive here... So I didn't even consider British cars in spite of my love for Minis.

From what I could gather, the Versa is U$ 11k in the US, but U$ 23k here. So, yeah, there's that.

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Originally posted by Mmanu Out of that list I'd say honda. Nissan is pretty much renault in japs clothing, expensive to maintain, I have experience of poor reliability. Citroen is pretty much hit or miss. I had a very good modified saxo VTR (sports hatch) with no problems for years and many miles, but there are still a few citroen lemons out there. On the plus side it's always cheap and easy to fix.

Hmm... it's the last bit that I found troubling. Here in Brazil maintenance is actually quite expensive for French cars.

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Originally posted by Trance-M German TUV report often give a nice indication regarding reliability as they categorize it over years. Especially when cars get old you can see all the Japanese types appear at the top of the list. TUeV_Report_2017.pdf Also found this: http://www.anusedcar.com/ Mazda, but also Mitsubishi are on the same level as Honda, Toyota and Nissan. Mazda maybe even at the top of those. Not much left of that moon travel advantage I think

Haha, good point! And thanks for the links!

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Originally posted by Trance-M I'm not sure about Chevrolet. Over here they mainly are Korean and not very good. But since General Motors also owns Opel/Vauxhall they could use Opel's technology, which is good.

All the cars I mentioned are made locally. If I recall correctly, both the Hondas and the Chevrolet are made in S�o Paulo.

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Originally posted by Trance-M At this moment PSA (Peugeot and Citro�n) is taking over Opel/Vauxhall from GM by the way. Depending how long you want to drive it, it would be good to have a look at secondhand prices as well for those brands. Cheap parts and availability is also important, expect if you don't need new parts

We have looked at secondhand cars (there's no way we afford a new Honda), but we're still a bit cautious because it's our first car, and we intend to keep it for a decade or so... I'm not sure a used car would last as long as a new one in this sense. Would it?

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Originally posted by Trance-M To be honest in the model range you are looking at I think there won't be a lot of difference and expect competition to be close to each other. They don't have all the fancy stuff that's expensive to replace when broken. Probably you also need a bit of luck. I do expect some Adidas striping at yours though

Haha, there'll definitely be three stripes if I can get away with it

Look at the link I posted, Fiat's really aren't that reliable, often related to electronics.
Same for Alfa, although they have stunning looks, great sound and are always sporty.
Fiat parts however are very cheap, so that's a plus for Fiat.
They for sure can't compete with Honda and Toyota.

A modern Mini has BMW's hands all over it.
They are very good, although there have been some motor (chain) problems with the turbo engines in the past. Peugeot and Citroen too, the THP engines are the same ones. VW also had similar problems with their TSI engines.
But that's no problem for Brazil as they still use larger engines as far as I could see. No downsizing yet.

When I caught guy j, it felt flat. No energy, just mellow and melodic. When I go out to dance I prefer less melody, faster more repetitive beats or electro. Hernan is an exception, he's just too good

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Originally posted by Lira We have looked at secondhand cars (there's no way we afford a new Honda), but we're still a bit cautious because it's our first car, and we intend to keep it for a decade or so... I'm not sure a used car would last as long as a new one in this sense. Would it?

No, I meant if they keep value or already lost half of it when leaving the showroom

I only buy second hand cars and than the stats in general show the best are Honda and Toyota. Holland is about the most expensive country to buy and drive a car. US is awesome for car owners.
But also some other brands have types that do very well like the list shows. And than I'm not talking about Mercs or Porsches of course, but affordable cars.

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Originally posted by Lira The problem is that I'm squeezed in between both categories because I want something sturdy and comfortable, so it can withstand the test of time (and the occasional potholes ), but I can't afford a much better car because they're way more expensive here... So I didn't even consider British cars in spite of my love for Minis.

Fiat isn't making anything rivaling those two down there?

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Originally posted by Trance-M No, I meant if they keep value or already lost half of it when leaving the showroom I only buy second hand cars and than the stats in general show the best are Honda and Toyota. Holland is about the most expensive country to buy and drive a car. US is awesome for car owners. But also some other brands have types that do very well like the list shows. And than I'm not talking about Mercs or Porsches of course, but affordable cars.

You do? I guess secondhand cars are much more common than I think, it's just that I'm still a bit cautious because I've never bought secondhand anything, so it's uncharted territory for me.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid Fiat isn't making anything rivaling those two down there?

It is. Fiat Linea, but it's supposed to be all clunky. Read lots of complaints by owners

Yeah, that's a shame.

Edit: and I'm with trance on that, depending on the car getting used is better than buying new.

Lira I wish you would buy a Vespa instead. Cars are pass�.

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Originally posted by Jon_Snow Lira I wish you would buy a Vespa instead. Cars are pass�.

I'm way too Italian already the way I am

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Originally posted by Lira Unfortunately not. I don't think I've ever seen a Mazda in a place that didn't end in jpg

Damn, ok. Toyota? The Corolla is a super reliable car, and I think it's the size you're looking at. I would recommend going with a hatch, rather than a sedan. Just for usefullness, which I'm aware isn't a real word, but you can fit so much more in a hatch than a sedan, with the smaller cars. I've been there

I would definitely look into second hand cars though, Trance-M is right. If you buy new, you basically lose a lot of value on your new car, the second you drive it out of the car yard/show room/whatever.

Second hand -- Yes, it can be risky. Have a mechanic check it out before you buy. Your mechanic, not their mechanic. We have mobile mechanics here, which helps, but they cost a bit. You'll still save money, IMO.

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Originally posted by planetaryplayer When I caught guy j, it felt flat. No energy, just mellow and melodic. When I go out to dance I prefer less melody, faster more repetitive beats or electro. Hernan is an exception, he's just too good

That's what I was expecting from him, but after the first hour he started getting into whirring techno and nasty tech house, and by hour three it was full knacker prog bangers pretty much until the end.

There's a few videos from the night doing the rounds on Facebook, but this is the only one on Youtube so far. Obvious classic, but gives you a taste of the energy he was bringing to the dancefloor:

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Originally posted by Lira You do? I guess secondhand cars are much more common than I think, it's just that I'm still a bit cautious because I've never bought secondhand anything, so it's uncharted territory for me. It is. Fiat Linea, but it's supposed to be all clunky. Read lots of complaints by owners

The End for Fiat Linea Brazil

The Linea is known as Grande Punto over here, but only available as hatchback. Instead of 1.4 t-jet engines in Brazil you get a 1.8 without turbo. About the same power though.
Looks like the Linea wasn't successful in Brazil.

Buying a second hand car which would be too expensive to buy new is wise as long as it is a reliable car. Cars lose most value in the first three years. Disadvantage of a second hand car is that there isn't a lot of warranty. Except for Kia who give 7 years.
But on the other hand a reliable car shouldn't get a lot of expensive repairs in the first 5-8 years, or longer.
I read about a 2006 Honda Civic who got a new clutch and gearbox after 800.000 km !!! (New cylinder head at 400.000 km.)

This was the reason why I asked how long you want to drive it. Some people change cars every 3 years. In that case when they are new repairs won't be a big problem due to warranty. When real problems could rise they already got a new one. As the list shows Japanese cars are at the top of the list when over 8 years.
If what I say is true you should be able to see more old Japanese cars driving around compared to others as the just refuse to die

Over here most problems are with Honda CRX's. That sounds strange, but they are small, fast, ultra cool and meanwhile as third, fourth, fifth, sixth hand very cheap. Young kids still drive them as most other brands already have turned into cubes years ago.
All those CRX's are over 19 years old LOL.

Nice vid J.

Dope weekend over here.

Monday morning and I'm playing

How is the sound quality in that place, Jack? I'm always slightly skeptical of converted places - even when they're not of mysterious original origin.

I was very happily surprised a few weeks back when I was at Oval Space for Laurent Garnier that the sound was a marked improvement from a few years back.

The sound was absolutely fine. Once you had a crowd in there it dampened the echo of the tunnel nicely. Bass response was excellent. The key is always subs on the floor. The problem with Oval Space was that it used to have gantry speakers only. You want to have your bass rumbling through the floor.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Damn, ok. Toyota? The Corolla is a super reliable car, and I think it's the size you're looking at. I would recommend going with a hatch, rather than a sedan. Just for usefullness, which I'm aware isn't a real word, but you can fit so much more in a hatch than a sedan, with the smaller cars. I've been there

You can?! Oh, I thought sedans had bigger... What do you Australians call the trunk/boot of a car? Luggageroo?

That's the main reason we meant to get one. We want to put our bicycles in the baggageroo and whatnot.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk I would definitely look into second hand cars though, Trance-M is right. If you buy new, you basically lose a lot of value on your new car, the second you drive it out of the car yard/show room/whatever. Second hand -- Yes, it can be risky. Have a mechanic check it out before you buy. Your mechanic, not their mechanic. We have mobile mechanics here, which helps, but they cost a bit. You'll still save money, IMO.

Hmmm... I guess you're (both) right, we'll look into it

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Originally posted by Trance-M The End for Fiat Linea Brazil The Linea is known as Grande Punto over here, but only available as hatchback. Instead of 1.4 t-jet engines in Brazil you get a 1.8 without turbo. About the same power though. Looks like the Linea wasn't successful in Brazil.

Yeah, it's this one. It failed miserably here

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Originally posted by Trance-M Buying a second hand car which would be too expensive to buy new is wise as long as it is a reliable car. Cars lose most value in the first three years. Disadvantage of a second hand car is that there isn't a lot of warranty. Except for Kia who give 7 years. But on the other hand a reliable car shouldn't get a lot of expensive repairs in the first 5-8 years, or longer. I read about a 2006 Honda Civic who got a new clutch and gearbox after 800.000 km !!! (New cylinder head at 400.000 km.) This was the reason why I asked how long you want to drive it. Some people change cars every 3 years. In that case when they are new repairs won't be a big problem due to warranty. When real problems could rise they already got a new one. As the list shows Japanese cars are at the top of the list when over 8 years. If what I say is true you should be able to see more old Japanese cars driving around compared to others as the just refuse to die

Haha, we don't usually sell cars in my family. I used to drive a 1994 Fiat until someone stole it some 5 years ago. We're now driving my sister's 2002 Chevrolet. And I'm sure whichever car we buy will be in our garage until the oceans rise and we get to go to the beach here in the Brazilian highlands

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Originally posted by Trance-M Over here most problems are with Honda CRX's. That sounds strange, but they are small, fast, ultra cool and meanwhile as third, fourth, fifth, sixth hand very cheap. Young kids still drive them as most other brands already have turned into cubes years ago. All those CRX's are over 19 years old LOL.

Haha, wow! The cars are probably older than quite a few of them, I bet!

he played no such stuff when i saw him, unfortunately.

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Originally posted by Lira You can?! Oh, I thought sedans had bigger... What do you Australians call the trunk/boot of a car? Luggageroo?

The thing with a hatch is that you can fold the back seats down and then that whole back part is usable to put larger objects in. A lot of sedans will also let you fold the seats down, but the space isn't as large due to the back windscreen and the shape of the car. I have a couple of friends into mountain biking, and one of them definitely fits his bike into the back of his hatch (pretty sure he takes off the front wheel to make it fit though).

And it's called a boot here

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Originally posted by Lira You can?! Oh, I thought sedans had bigger... What do you Australians call the trunk/boot of a car? Luggageroo? That's the main reason we meant to get one. We want to put our bicycles in the baggageroo and whatnot.

Then a wagon or minivan like Toyota Verso or hatchback like Kia Soul or SUV like Renault Duster would suit better. Rear seats down and throw in those bikes. Two bikes in a sedan I think would be tight because of the missing height. And if the rear seats don't fold down most of the bikes will need to stay outside the boot
Edit: Stu already said the same while I was typing...

Sedan, wagon, hatchback:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...s_and_boxes.png

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Haha, we don't usually sell cars in my family. I used to drive a 1994 Fiat until someone stole it some 5 years ago. We're now driving my sister's 2002 Chevrolet. And I'm sure whichever car we buy will be in our garage until the oceans rise and we get to go to the beach here in the Brazilian highlands

Well, if you going to drive that long it all depends how much you have to rely on the car. How many km/day, each day? Is a repair shop in the neighborhood or not? Spare parts easy and cheap to get or not?
Do you mind to visit a repair shop frequently or not?

Those are also the questions which you would need to answer I think. It's not easy to give good advice
I hate it when something breaks in my cars, but some people, like my sister, would even drive one on three wheels

If fuel consumption wouldn't be a real problem I would say buy an old 2005 Toyota RAV4, they last forever.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J That's what I was expecting from him, but after the first hour he started getting into whirring techno and nasty tech house, and by hour three it was full knacker prog bangers pretty much until the end. There's a few videos from the night doing the rounds on Facebook, but this is the only one on Youtube so far. Obvious classic, but gives you a taste of the energy he was bringing to the dancefloor:

My lawd that's what I'm talking about

I've seen Guy J about 3-4 times. The first two were solid, the third was kinda meh (some parts put me to sleep) and the fourth was great.

That being said, wish I had heard a night of what was described in the video above

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J That's what I was expecting from him, but after the first hour he started getting into whirring techno and nasty tech house, and by hour three it was full knacker prog bangers pretty much until the end. There's a few videos from the night doing the rounds on Facebook, but this is the only one on Youtube so far. Obvious classic, but gives you a taste of the energy he was bringing to the dancefloor:

Fuuuuuuuuuuuck. For the first 10 seconds I was thinking this doesn't seem that pumping then...goosebumps.

That club looks a lot like the old Cross club in King's Cross, next door to Bagleys. Brick arches never really make for great sounding venues as they're a nightmare to engineer around but but least you get a intimate environment.

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