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it is not that I don't like America, I am cool with American people
I just hate Americas foreign policy and some rules they have in the US itself (the right to bear arms for example)
and it is kinda logic that every thread in here is about America, that is because the only threads in this forum that are started are about America
guns in america
elections in america
bush this
bush that
US vs. Saddam
I really think that some of this issues have got nothing to do with the whole world, something like the elections and about the guns don't have to be here because it is something about the US only
Do you care about elections in Holland when they are held in about 2 months?? I don't think so, so I won't post a thread about it here
leave the regional politic stuff in the regional forum, and keep the global issues in this forum
Cyrus King, You are the most naive person I've met thus far when it comes to political affairs.
First of all the US DID announce why they blew up the supposed "pharmacutical plant." It was because they were producing biological weapons. They had satilite photos, they had alot of hard evidence for this. They blew up no civilians in that bombing and they succeded in destroying a biological weapons plant. Wether or not there were actual meications in the building is very beside the point, considering they should have had the money for extra medications if they were producing weapons. And you son't think they would produce wapons if they are poor? LMAO, umm, ok, keep beleiving that!
And that car bomb was not strategically placed to kill as many civilians as possible. That is ludicrous. We did not suceed in our goal of killing the terrorist leader, but damn, one missed. Come on.
The intelligence spent every day on keeping civilians in other countries safe is ridiculous. I fail to see why we even waste this intelligence if we are going to be critisized for doing the opposite of what we actually do. Lets just start dropping random bombs now and see the difference
My first and probaley my only post in this room�.
But I think ANYONE who indulges themselves in these hate filled challenging conversations, such as I have witnessed since the political room was started, is wasting there time trying to convince one an another that he/she lives in a country that is problem free.
Granted the U.S. has issues�noone can deny that. Whether our government is justified in their actions or not remains to be seen. In the past we have taken extreme measures to accomplish certain goals, does that mean we are wrong?
Doesn�t the ends sometimes justify the means?..atleast in SOME cases?
Now you people can argue back and forth the EXACT SAME arguments that where held in the Chill Out Room in the past over and over again, to your heart�s desire. But where is it getting you?�what are you accomplishing?�.you will not change each others minds, especialler through the internet. Maybe in person with a verbal conversation, but in noway will your beleifs or facts get through to someone on the other side of that phone or cable connection�sorry wont happen.
American bashing has been the �norm� on TA for some time now�why? I don�t know. Each and every country with an established government has flaws. So why is that America is the cool one to bash? Well I �think� that is because we are basicaly the only super-power left and everyone knows the person with most power is also the most critizied. I know we are not perfect, but neither are you.
Maybe bombing Iraq is wrong to YOU�but I can tell you this from my opinion. If bombing Iraq prevents another terrorist attack, like the one I witnessed on 9.11 then I am all for it. I might add that I saw the attacks on America that day with my OWN eyes, not on the news, not in a magazine and not from a far. I was less then 2 miles away. I know that other countries (that some of you may live in) experience these sort of attacks on some scale or another and may or may not have great sympathey for us because you deal with them day in and day out. But you must understand that we, like you, want to avoid anymore attacks�at all mean nessecary�..like I said the �ends soemtimes justify the means��..
And before you ask the question of whether or not civilians must die to achieve the means�the answer unfortunatley might be yes. Ask yourself this..would you give up your life, or kill someone, if you knew that by doing this you can save hundreds, maybe thousands or maybe even millions?�I know, but that�s me.
Anyway enjoy your bashing, for this is not a room based on conversing. It is purely based on simple-minded views of the world that basicallyu have no say on this planet anyway�so happy trails on your quest to knowledge and self-worth aswell as patriotism through hatred.
And remember look in your OWN backyard and examine it carefully before you complain about your neighbors�you might just find that you have a few cleaning up to do aswell.
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| Originally posted by tiesto14 Anyway enjoy your bashing, for this is not a room based on conversing. It is purely based on simple-minded views of the world that basicallyu have no say on this planet anyway�so happy trails on your quest to knowledge and self-worth aswell as patriotism through hatred. |
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| Originally posted by SpykeChyld Cyrus King, You are the most naive person I've met thus far when it comes to political affairs. First of all the US DID announce why they blew up the supposed "pharmacutical plant." It was because they were producing biological weapons. They had satilite photos, they had alot of hard evidence for this. They blew up no civilians in that bombing and they succeded in destroying a biological weapons plant. Wether or not there were actual meications in the building is very beside the point, considering they should have had the money for extra medications if they were producing weapons. And you son't think they would produce wapons if they are poor? LMAO, umm, ok, keep beleiving that! And that car bomb was not strategically placed to kill as many civilians as possible. That is ludicrous. We did not suceed in our goal of killing the terrorist leader, but damn, one missed. Come on. The intelligence spent every day on keeping civilians in other countries safe is ridiculous. I fail to see why we even waste this intelligence if we are going to be critisized for doing the opposite of what we actually do. Lets just start dropping random bombs now and see the difference |
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| Originally posted by tiesto14 Anyway enjoy your bashing, for this is not a room based on conversing. It is purely based on simple-minded views of the world that basicallyu have no say on this planet anyway�so happy trails on your quest to knowledge and self-worth aswell as patriotism through hatred. |
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| Originally posted by Renegade Before this conversation degenerates into another USA vs The World flamewar, replete with over-emotional, poorly thought out comments, I've just got a couple of things to say. Seeing as I'm presumably one of the people you're talking about here, I'll just say this: I am not anti-US. I have issues with a number of US foreign policies - I'm pretty sure I've made that clear - but I'm not exactly certain why any American citizen should feel the need take this so personally. I have no problems with the US people. I have no inherent problem with the US government. I have no problems with the country as a whole. When I speak out against an activity undertaken by the US government, I do so after judging it on its own merits. I do not condemn these actions merely because they were undertaken by the US (because some seem to think that I feel the need to criticize the US at any opportunity) I criticize them because, from my position, they were made in poor judgement. I also readily acknowledge that the US government has made some very good decisions in the past, so it's not as though I can be accused of criticizing the US government merely because it's the US government. By the same tokein, should I disagree with the undertakings of any other government, I'll be happy to make myself known on that as well. I could go on for hours about the things that John Howard (prime-minister of Australia for those wondering) has done that I feel are wrong. If any of you raised issue with the poor judgement of the Australian government, I would not sit back and shout "anti-Australian!" I would - in all likelihood, probably agree with you: I'm smart enough to know that I am not defined in terms of the activity my country undertakes. If my government screws-up, and the rest of the world notices, I will not take personal offence to the ensueing criticism, I'll judge the criticism objectively and see if there is any truth in it. If Australia fucks up (and it has) I'll be the first in queue at the complaints line. I suppose all I really want to know is this: why is it that so many of the Americans on this board (not all) take criticism of their nation so personally? Is it the fundamentalistic patriotism that is driven into you by your government and other instituations? Is it important to think that you are a citizen of an infallible, perfect nation? Do you not think that criticism levelled at any government is crucial in keeping it in check? So long as American citizens continue to accept governmental policy as infallible to the extent that any criticism levelled at it is either entirely false or offensive (usually both), poor judegments will continue. The most important thing that the citizen of any country can do is to criticise it: that is how things get changed, and is how the country evolves over time. To ignore criticism, or to refuse to make any (under the misapprehension that the blind acceptance of nationalistic policy is the "patriotic" and therefore the right thing to do) is dangerous. Regardless of the nation it watches over, no government is always right and this must be acknowledged. If feeling this way makes me "anti-American" then so be it. Sorry mate, but that is a pretty poor call. Do you think the Australian government incites anti-American sentiment? John Howard may as well be bed fellows with George Bush, given the way he accepts and blindly follows American policy, and then attempts to sell it to the Australian public. But really, what you're trying to get at, is that - a priori - any criticism levelled at the US is untrue, and could therefore only be fuelled by ignorance or fabricated propoganda. As much as I hesitate to say this given the thin line I'm already treading, that attitude more or less sums up what is wrong with the US perspective as a whole. If what is being said is nonsense, then all you need do is rebuke them with concrete fact. There's no need to winge, just merely point out where the argument fails, and leave it. While ABT (among others) attempts this line (and he does a good job of it too) far to many of the US posters - more so than anyone from the rest of the world - retreat into emotional, patriotic speil when faced with "anti-US" criticism. If the argument is fallicious, then point out where. If you can't find fault with the argument, then there may well be some truth in it. That's how discussions are supposed to work: impart and learn. It's not about picking a side and fighting to death for it, it's about starting with a contention, and then - through dialect with others - deciding what is true and what is not. Thesis, antithesis, synthesis: Hegelian poetry in motion. That is where substantial truth is uncovered and fallicies are shown up. That's how we progress. There have been some comments made over time, that I agree, are poorly thought out and could easily be construed as flame-bait or mud-raking. However, I would suggest that the majority of "anti-US" posts (in your words) are well thought-out and replete with facts and valid arguments. On the other hand, accusing someone of being wrong merely because they are anti-US (a statement brandished far too readily) is not an argument, nor does it adequately dismiss the point being made. If you want to believe in your own perfection, that your view-point could never be wrong, then so be it. Just don't bother participating in discussions, that should be used to allow you to understand the opposing view-point, rather than to just immediately dismiss and mechanically rebut any argument that doesn't fit into your world-view. I've been wrong before, and I will continue to be wrong in the future. But I'm open-minded enough to know that I don't know enough about anything, to believe I know everything. What's your point? If I criticise the US for something, do you automatically take that to mean that I wish for my country to be disassociated from the US entirely? As I've said before, the US have done many good things for this planet, but it would be wrong to assume that this admission precludes me from criticising past, present or future decisions. Australia quite clearly does have a very strong dependence on the US. Does that mean I have an obligation to accept anything the US does as gospel truth? Does that go anyway to justifying it then? Or what they did in Chile? Or what they plan to do in Iraq? Can the murder of innocents be justified so long as US self-interest is preserved? In violation of international law I may add. Six-hundered foreign nationals locked up in a prison camp in Cuba for the past 12 months, without the right to trial that had amnesty international up in arms? Anyway, I think I've said enough. Please do not get offended by anything I've said here, because it's certainly not what I'm trying to do. None of this was targetted at anyone specifically, nor was the slightly angry, impatient tone intentional. It's just that I've felt like I've had this conversation a million times before. If you've gotten this far, thanks for reading. |
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| Originally posted by Renegade Before this conversation degenerates into another USA vs The World flamewar, replete with over-emotional, poorly thought out comments, I've just got a couple of things to say. Seeing as I'm presumably one of the people you're talking about here, I'll just say this: I am not anti-US. I have issues with a number of US foreign policies - I'm pretty sure I've made that clear - but I'm not exactly certain why any American citizen should feel the need take this so personally. I have no problems with the US people. I have no inherent problem with the US government. I have no problems with the country as a whole. When I speak out against an activity undertaken by the US government, I do so after judging it on its own merits. I do not condemn these actions merely because they were undertaken by the US (because some seem to think that I feel the need to criticize the US at any opportunity) I criticize them because, from my position, they were made in poor judgement. I also readily acknowledge that the US government has made some very good decisions in the past, so it's not as though I can be accused of criticizing the US government merely because it's the US government. By the same tokein, should I disagree with the undertakings of any other government, I'll be happy to make myself known on that as well. I could go on for hours about the things that John Howard (prime-minister of Australia for those wondering) has done that I feel are wrong. If any of you raised issue with the poor judgement of the Australian government, I would not sit back and shout "anti-Australian!" I would - in all likelihood, probably agree with you: I'm smart enough to know that I am not defined in terms of the activity my country undertakes. If my government screws-up, and the rest of the world notices, I will not take personal offence to the ensueing criticism, I'll judge the criticism objectively and see if there is any truth in it. If Australia fucks up (and it has) I'll be the first in queue at the complaints line. I suppose all I really want to know is this: why is it that so many of the Americans on this board (not all) take criticism of their nation so personally? Is it the fundamentalistic patriotism that is driven into you by your government and other instituations? Is it important to think that you are a citizen of an infallible, perfect nation? Do you not think that criticism levelled at any government is crucial in keeping it in check? So long as American citizens continue to accept governmental policy as infallible to the extent that any criticism levelled at it is either entirely false or offensive (usually both), poor judegments will continue. The most important thing that the citizen of any country can do is to criticise it: that is how things get changed, and is how the country evolves over time. To ignore criticism, or to refuse to make any (under the misapprehension that the blind acceptance of nationalistic policy is the "patriotic" and therefore the right thing to do) is dangerous. Regardless of the nation it watches over, no government is always right and this must be acknowledged. If feeling this way makes me "anti-American" then so be it. Sorry mate, but that is a pretty poor call. Do you think the Australian government incites anti-American sentiment? John Howard may as well be bed fellows with George Bush, given the way he accepts and blindly follows American policy, and then attempts to sell it to the Australian public. But really, what you're trying to get at, is that - a priori - any criticism levelled at the US is untrue, and could therefore only be fuelled by ignorance or fabricated propoganda. As much as I hesitate to say this given the thin line I'm already treading, that attitude more or less sums up what is wrong with the US perspective as a whole. If what is being said is nonsense, then all you need do is rebuke them with concrete fact. There's no need to winge, just merely point out where the argument fails, and leave it. While ABT (among others) attempts this line (and he does a good job of it too) far to many of the US posters - more so than anyone from the rest of the world - retreat into emotional, patriotic speil when faced with "anti-US" criticism. If the argument is fallicious, then point out where. If you can't find fault with the argument, then there may well be some truth in it. That's how discussions are supposed to work: impart and learn. It's not about picking a side and fighting to death for it, it's about starting with a contention, and then - through dialect with others - deciding what is true and what is not. Thesis, antithesis, synthesis: Hegelian poetry in motion. That is where substantial truth is uncovered and fallicies are shown up. That's how we progress. There have been some comments made over time, that I agree, are poorly thought out and could easily be construed as flame-bait or mud-raking. However, I would suggest that the majority of "anti-US" posts (in your words) are well thought-out and replete with facts and valid arguments. On the other hand, accusing someone of being wrong merely because they are anti-US (a statement brandished far too readily) is not an argument, nor does it adequately dismiss the point being made. If you want to believe in your own perfection, that your view-point could never be wrong, then so be it. Just don't bother participating in discussions, that should be used to allow you to understand the opposing view-point, rather than to just immediately dismiss and mechanically rebut any argument that doesn't fit into your world-view. I've been wrong before, and I will continue to be wrong in the future. But I'm open-minded enough to know that I don't know enough about anything, to believe I know everything. What's your point? If I criticise the US for something, do you automatically take that to mean that I wish for my country to be disassociated from the US entirely? As I've said before, the US have done many good things for this planet, but it would be wrong to assume that this admission precludes me from criticising past, present or future decisions. Australia quite clearly does have a very strong dependence on the US. Does that mean I have an obligation to accept anything the US does as gospel truth? Does that go anyway to justifying it then? Or what they did in Chile? Or what they plan to do in Iraq? Can the murder of innocents be justified so long as US self-interest is preserved? In violation of international law I may add. Six-hundered foreign nationals locked up in a prison camp in Cuba for the past 12 months, without the right to trial that had amnesty international up in arms? Anyway, I think I've said enough. Please do not get offended by anything I've said here, because it's certainly not what I'm trying to do. None of this was targetted at anyone specifically, nor was the slightly angry, impatient tone intentional. It's just that I've felt like I've had this conversation a million times before. If you've gotten this far, thanks for reading. |
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| Originally posted by trancaholic I'm disappointed in Juricimo for starting a thread and not following through on the answers!). When somebody tries to post a logic and reasonable post it is being ignored! Absolutely pathetic! ...trancedfarmer, Arbiter, biznology and - of course - my best friend ABT for some examples on how to participate in a discussion in a mature and thoughtful manner. |
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| Originally posted by trancaholic This post of yours have proven that you, no matter your re-invented indulgent attitude, is still the same rash person. Take a look at the posts of trancedfarmer, Arbiter, biznology and - of course - my best friend ABT for some examples on how to participate in a discussion in a mature and thoughtful manner. |
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| Originally posted by tiesto14 yes i saw their posts...yet what have they accomplished? |
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| Originally posted by trancaholic When discussing the Iraq problem, for example, people around me often equates Bush and the US-people, and they often debate from a viewpoint where the US is the great devil. Having discussed this topic in these forums allows me to point out that some US-citizens are *not* pro-Bush and that the intentions of those who are are not necessarily selfishness. |
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| Originally posted by tiesto14 so in other words ANY American who is "pro-Bush" is considered bad (for lack of a better word) to you? And is protecting our homeland really that selfish? Is it selfish to think of my fellow country-men (as you put it)or to think of my own family? |
hey everyone...this is my first post on this topic..i am american but originally egyptian..here is the way i see things...well being from egypt we had so much terrorist attacks its not even funny..it effected our tourism in economy so bad its ridiculous but did anyone give a fuck nope not at all..although it was a sign of terrorism which been goin on for years before the us got hit..i got very sad by the day of 9.11 but i wondered..why now did people all of a sudden terrorism is in the mainlight and why the war of terrorism didnt occur when other countries got screwed because of it..if the war of terrorism started when other countries got hurt by it wouldnt have we prevented 9.11..or does the big boys have to get hurt so we can care hmmm...another thing what did the afghani strikes accomplish...some would say it got rid of thr taliban but why not we didnt get rid of the taliban and save afghani people before 9.11..or does the big boys have to get hurt so we can care hmmm...and the issue with iraq well it is kinda funny..iraq is like what the us presidents pound on when in trouble..i remembered when clinton confessed to the monica lewinski issue he bombed iraq the second day..that was funny as fuck..and now economic ressesion well then iraq is back in the spotlight..please mr.bush me needs job concentrate on the internal affairs first...well to conclude The USA is a great country and i enjoy livin in it alot..however theie forign policy is weak...but that gives no one the right the judge..when is the last time ur country gave aid to others...all of u talk alot of crap about the us but if u look at ur country ull see that u do little to help others..being from egypt never saw australia or holland help our country but the us surely do...so u have no right to judge unless u do contribute in some way..like someone said look at ur backyard before bitchin about others..if ur house made of glass dont throw stones...u have the right to express ur disagreement but not bashin and bitchin...thanks people..waitin for good feedback..
It's way more simple that you make it look: theres two types of criticism: constructive c. and destructive c.
Constructive criticism is aimed to amend things. To point out what is not good but at the same time to suggest what should be done. Most of the time constructive criticism also seeks to mention the good things which should serve as a postive example or a reletivation of the bad things.
Destructive criticism is criticism for the sake of bashing. Taking negativ aspects only and use them as a legitimation to bash. DC is biased, backed with no arguments and generelasing. Its motives are boredom, jealousy, intellectual laziness or smartas-ism 
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I think every1 can easily tell the difference. "bush needs to be killed" is DC. "The Iraq war is a stupid excuse for America's imperialism" is "intelligent" DC. "The Iraq war is IMO unacceptable as it would be simply a war of 'pre-emtive action', a policy dangerous for the future. I therefore think for the sake of the world community, war is only justified when a strong evidence and a real threat exists" is CC (which I dont agree with ).
The majority as you all know are sheeps following trends. The current trend is Criticism on the USA (as it's the country attracting the most attention, besides Israel...as it's the super-power of the world(plitically and economically and especially since 9/11 as it eveloved into the world's sheriff against the terrorist bandits). The sheeps(or sheep? .. ) will just adapt some poor standard-phrases and wont bother too much thinking of a good argumentation. The sheep are the majority, DC is the most common form of criticism.
Enuff said.
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| Originally posted by tiesto14 yes i saw their posts...yet what have they accomplished? absolutley nothing....not that they are wrong or even right...just that they are participating in a conversation that ultimatley leads them nowhere.... |
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| Originally posted by TranceGiant It's way more simple that you make it look: theres two types of criticism: constructive c. and destructive c. Constructive criticism is aimed to amend things. To point out what is not good but at the same time to suggest what should be done. Most of the time constructive criticism also seeks to mention the good things which should serve as a postive example or a reletivation of the bad things. Destructive criticism is criticism for the sake of bashing. Taking negativ aspects only and use them as a legitimation to bash. DC is biased, backed with no arguments and generelasing. Its motives are boredom, jealousy, intellectual laziness or smartas-ism .I think every1 can easily tell the difference. "bush needs to be killed" is DC. "The Iraq war is a stupid excuse for America's imperialism" is "intelligent" DC. "The Iraq war is IMO unacceptable as it would be simply a war of 'pre-emtive action', a policy dangerous for the future. I therefore think for the sake of the world community, war is only justified when a strong evidence and a real threat exists" is CC (which I dont agree with ).The majority as you all know are sheeps following trends. The current trend is Criticism on the USA (as it's the country attracting the most attention, besides Israel...as it's the super-power of the world(plitically and economically and especially since 9/11 as it eveloved into the world's sheriff against the terrorist bandits). The sheeps(or sheep? .. ) will just adapt some poor standard-phrases and wont bother too much thinking of a good argumentation. The sheep are the majority, DC is the most common form of criticism.Enuff said. |
Tiesto14 - you're saying that no argument here can change anybody's perspective so therefore all arguments are pointless?
That's just completely missing the point!
Posting something in here isn't trying to change yours or anybody else's world view - that is based on your life experience, family, friends etc. I agree that reading a single post in here isn't going to radically alter that. But at the same time, that isn't the posting of this place. I come in here to read what other people have to say on topics, think about what they've said and maybe respond.
Listen to more viewpoints, expand your horizons, open your mind. It might do you a world of good! 
And for the record as Renegade already said: Australians don't have a problem with Americans on a personal level. It's mainly Bush and his govt that people don't like - though you'd never know it.
If you think Australians do and should blindly follow the USA into its fights across the world, watch the news on Nov 15th. There will be massive protests in Sydney because the WTO is having its "summit."
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| Originally posted by tiesto14 yes i saw their posts...yet what have they accomplished? absolutley nothing....not that they are wrong or even right...just that they are participating in a conversation that ultimatley leads them nowhere. |
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| Originally posted by Izzy this is the topic i kinda wanted to talk about in the 'stubberness' thread... i hate to see people come to conclusions like the one you made... open minded people can and do change thier views when presented with a reasonable arguement. more then that its an opprotuniry where one can express his opinions on issues, to have an outlet, and formulate his beliefs. |
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King Becuase of unexplained indidents like the bombimg of the al-Shifa pharmaceautical plant in Sudan by the Clinton administration. |
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| Originally posted by tranceaholic hey everyone...this is my first post on this topic..i am american but originally egyptian..here is the way i see things...well being from egypt we had so much terrorist attacks its not even funny..it effected our tourism in economy so bad its ridiculous but did anyone give a fuck nope not at all..although it was a sign of terrorism which been goin on for years before the us got hit..i got very sad by the day of 9.11 but i wondered..why now did people all of a sudden terrorism is in the mainlight and why the war of terrorism didnt occur when other countries got screwed because of it..if the war of terrorism started when other countries got hurt by it wouldnt have we prevented 9.11..or does the big boys have to get hurt so we can care hmmm...another thing what did the afghani strikes accomplish...some would say it got rid of thr taliban but why not we didnt get rid of the taliban and save afghani people before 9.11..or does the big boys have to get hurt so we can care hmmm...and the issue with iraq well it is kinda funny..iraq is like what the us presidents pound on when in trouble..i remembered when clinton confessed to the monica lewinski issue he bombed iraq the second day..that was funny as fuck..and now economic ressesion well then iraq is back in the spotlight..please mr.bush me needs job concentrate on the internal affairs first...well to conclude The USA is a great country and i enjoy livin in it alot..however theie forign policy is weak...but that gives no one the right the judge..when is the last time ur country gave aid to others...all of u talk alot of crap about the us but if u look at ur country ull see that u do little to help others..being from egypt never saw australia or holland help our country but the us surely do...so u have no right to judge unless u do contribute in some way..like someone said look at ur backyard before bitchin about others..if ur house made of glass dont throw stones...u have the right to express ur disagreement but not bashin and bitchin...thanks people..waitin for good feedback.. |
i agree with ya bro..i know we cant fight every terrorism group out there but the thing is the us was worned time and time again that it was there turn but no one listened and there were signs too like the first wtc bombing but obody paid to much attension to it..infact they had one of the most dangerous terrorist leaders just chillin in prison "omar abdel rahman"..not knowing how dangerous he is and all sort of bullshit he made for other countries...so makes u wonder and ask what if..and about iraq..lots of other countries have nukes..should we disarm each an every country..iraq didnt show any sign recently of using em..dont see anyone tryin to disarm india and pakistan and they came close to war..too many problems with the world of today
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| Originally posted by tranceaholic i agree with ya bro..i know we cant fight every terrorism group out there but the thing is the us was worned time and time again that it was there turn but no one listened and there were signs too like the first wtc bombing but obody paid to much attension to it..infact they had one of the most dangerous terrorist leaders just chillin in prison "omar abdel rahman"..not knowing how dangerous he is and all sort of bullshit he made for other countries...so makes u wonder and ask what if..and about iraq..lots of other countries have nukes..should we disarm each an every country..iraq didnt show any sign recently of using em..dont see anyone tryin to disarm india and pakistan and they came close to war..too many problems with the world of today |
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| Originally posted by ABTsportsline to briefly answer your questions here: 3) the war on afghanistan wasn't pointless - it broke up the taliban, but more importantly displaced the al-qaeda camps... now there is no centralization system and poor communications between them. -ABT- |
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