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Posted by SYSTEM-J on May-04-2020 11:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Paradox Lost
This got no attention when it came out (except from Skyonee, and it was not positive)


Er... I reviewed OID on TC years before my erstwhile partner in crime got there on his blog, and I was surprisingly positive about it, apparently writing this in January 2007:

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The last track is titled merely The Seventh Planet on the back of the album, although a spot of reconnaissance in the inlay reveals it�s actually the Leama & Moor mix, which leaves you wondering what happened to the original. Despite being the work of another pair of producers, the track fits in nicely, continuing the cosmic-breaks tip. No matter what the title tells you, it appears to be simply a downbeat breaks remix of Stage One, with some widescreen pads and lush pianos thrown in.


Posted by Paradox Lost on May-04-2020 11:53:

Misread your post. I think I remember that review on TC, though I suppose I just more remember Sykonee rolling his eyes at The Seventh Planet.

In a way I suppose it makes sense that this was titled differently, as I feel it takes the melody from Stage One and �brings it home.� Still have no idea what happened to the original, though it wouldn�t surprise me if there never was one.


Posted by Lews on May-04-2020 12:15:

No original Seventh Planet, as far as I know, but there was a Moonbase Nine.


Posted by SYSTEM-J on May-04-2020 13:29:

Nah, there was clearly no original. They just titled the remix to fit the numerical sequencing on the album.


Posted by hoopoe on May-04-2020 14:45:

Continuing on the theme of the Quivver/Parks & Wilson/Leama/Moor collective and late 90s sci-fi thrillers, I've always liked the way Odessi - Moments Of Space makes use of the chopped sample from the film 'Sphere'.



Going off on a tangent, I only finally listened to Leama & Moor's Common Ground about a year ago and felt that my reservations at the time were justified. But I was surprised that I'd never heard 'Waiting' before, as surely in 2005/6 a Leama & Moor collaboration with Jan Johnston in the style of Whiteroom would have been some sort of holy grail. I never encountered it in any DJ sets despite being all over that stuff at the time.



You can add Tilt's Explorer to the list of anticlimactic albums from that group too.


Posted by Sykonee on May-04-2020 15:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Paradox Lost
Misread your post. I think I remember that review on TC, though I suppose I just more remember Sykonee rolling his eyes at The Seventh Planet.

Re-listening to that, and while not amazing, I do wonder why I would have had negative things to write about it. What did I write about it?

*checks*

OOOHHH, I compared it to what Ultimae was releasing that same year (2005). Yeah, no way it could have lived up to such comparisons. Might also explain J's mostly-positive words back-when too, as neither of us had 'discovered' Ultimae until *much* later in 2007.


Posted by SYSTEM-J on May-04-2020 15:20:

Since we all seem to be interpreting Matt's question to refer to spoken word samples (rather than, y'know, music), this one springs to mind.

Rather than rehash myself, I'll just copy and paste my own review over at Discogs.

quote:
What a brilliant vocal sample. Never has the ambivalence of the drug experience been more suggestively poised. The music itself couldn't be finer tuned to the question - blissful, brittle, contemplative. Laconic philosophy on wax.



Posted by Trance-M on May-04-2020 21:52:

Next to the intro sample I think Arjan used that Mexican sample very nice:


Posted by Midlothian on May-05-2020 09:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Paradox Lost
In a way I suppose it makes sense that this was titled differently, as I feel it takes the melody from Stage One and �brings it home.� Still have no idea what happened to the original, though it wouldn�t surprise me if there never was one.


There is however the Leama & Moor remix of Stage One, released on OID EP 1 (and on Tirade Records).


Posted by Paradox Lost on May-05-2020 09:54:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Since we all seem to be interpreting Matt's question to refer to spoken word samples (rather than, y'know, music


I suppose it makes sense that spoken samples would be some of the first to come to mind, since they tend to stand out more as...well, samples, compared to instrumental pieces that, like I mentioned earlier, most of us would be surprised to learn were actually samples.

It's also the latter that reminds me why I will never become a musician of any sort, as I would have never in a million years thought to sample any of this stuff in the way it was sampled. I'm always just completely taken by the artist's imaginativeness and ingenuity when they talk about it in an interview, always saying something like "oh, yeah, that instrumental was actually lifted from an early Prince record, which I distorted through a guitar pedal and recorded to cassette to give it that denser feel." Like...why? What? What on earth made you want to sample that incredibly specific piece of music in that incredibly specific way? It's one thing to have a macro-idea for a track, but it's all those micro-ideas that really breathe life into it, and that are just beyond my creative process.

But anyway, as far as famous, non-spoken samples go, yet another record I can't believe none of us mentioned...



...and a spoken sample worth mentioning. Not exactly the most creative sample, even for '90, but It really gives the track its identity:


Posted by Paradox Lost on May-05-2020 10:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Sykonee
Re-listening to that, and while not amazing, I do wonder why I would have had negative things to write about it. What did I write about it?

*checks*

OOOHHH, I compared it to what Ultimae was releasing that same year (2005). Yeah, no way it could have lived up to such comparisons. Might also explain J's mostly-positive words back-when too, as neither of us had 'discovered' Ultimae until *much* later in 2007.


For me, Ultimae was just those CD's at Tower Records with the intriguing but completely nondescript cover art that told you nothing about what to expect, certainly not enough to take the gamble on those exorbitant price tags.


Posted by Ted Promo on May-05-2020 10:04:

No one wants to talk about PQM - You Are Sleeping


Posted by SYSTEM-J on May-05-2020 10:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Paradox Lost
It's also the latter that reminds me why I will never become a musician of any sort, as I would have never in a million years thought to sample any of this stuff in the way it was sampled. I'm always just completely taken by the artist's imaginativeness and ingenuity when they talk about it in an interview, always saying something like "oh, yeah, that instrumental was actually lifted from an early Prince record, which I distorted through a guitar pedal and recorded to cassette to give it that denser feel." Like...why? What? What on earth made you want to sample that incredibly specific piece of music in that incredibly specific way? It's one thing to have a macro-idea for a track, but it's all those micro-ideas that really breathe life into it, and that are just beyond my creative process.


I'm sure this has been posted many times before (not least by me), but this Youtube clip of someone remaking Smack My Bitch Up using all the same samples was really the revelation for me in understanding just how radical and creative sampling actually is in electronic music. Like you, I can't even fathom the creative thought process that would lead a producer to take a snippet of guitar squall from a rock record and process the living fuck out of it to get a little throbbing noise in their breakdown.

Compared to this, throwing a sample of JFK or the Apollo 11 mission over a track is child's play.


Posted by hoopoe on May-05-2020 12:25:

Similarly, videos reconstructing the Daft Punk tracks 'High Life' (short example in the video below at 17:05) and 'Face To Face' blow my mind, although I can't find any that go into the depth of the Prodigy demonstration.



Face To Face reconstruction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iWl8n9wxlA


Posted by Silky Johnson on May-05-2020 12:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Ted Promo
No one wants to talk about PQM - You Are Sleeping




You know he has ALS eh?


Posted by Sykonee on May-05-2020 14:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Paradox Lost
For me, Ultimae was just those CD's at Tower Records with the intriguing but completely nondescript cover art that told you nothing about what to expect, certainly not enough to take the gamble on those exorbitant price tags.

You could find them in domestic stores??

Whoa...!


Posted by Trance-M on May-05-2020 17:54:

In 1985 this was no1 in the UK, I loved it although I couldn't understand the words as 11 year old.
Possibly the most successful dance track using samples?
It contains samples from the ABC-documentary "Vietnam Requiem".


Posted by Dykes_on_Jay on May-05-2020 18:01:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Since we all seem to be interpreting Matt's question to refer to spoken word samples (rather than, y'know, music), this one springs to mind.

Rather than rehash myself, I'll just copy and paste my own review over at Discogs.





I prefer the flip with the Billie Jean sample.


Posted by Paradox Lost on May-06-2020 02:39:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'm sure this has been posted many times before (not least by me), but this Youtube clip of someone remaking Smack My Bitch Up using all the same samples was really the revelation for me in understanding just how radical and creative sampling actually is in electronic music. Like you, I can't even fathom the creative thought process that would lead a producer to take a snippet of guitar squall from a rock record and process the living fuck out of it to get a little throbbing noise in their breakdown.

Compared to this, throwing a sample of JFK or the Apollo 11 mission over a track is child's play.



And it's not as though this sampling is just fodder thrown in for flavor, it ties into the very identity of the record, without which so many wouldn't have been nearly as memorable. I just don't possess that same instinctive reaction micro pieces of music to pump the lifeblood into an otherwise decent central idea. I know there's a lot to be said for the value patience and practice in the development of a new skill, but I know myself well enough to know that I simply don't think the way they do, and so I'll never be able to make music the way they can.

quote:
Originally posted by Sykonee
You could find them in domestic stores??

Whoa...!


Since at least 2005, and back then, from what I recall, they were all priced around $25, which a lot to throw at a CD you couldn't sample. Looking back now, and without checking the secondary market, I get the feeling those would have appreciated way beyond their original asking price.


Posted by Sykonee on May-06-2020 04:12:

quote:
Originally posted by Paradox Lost

Since at least 2005, and back then, from what I recall, they were all priced around $25, which a lot to throw at a CD you couldn't sample. Looking back now, and without checking the secondary market, I get the feeling those would have appreciated way beyond their original asking price.

According to the Discogs Marketplace, seven of my Top 10 most expensive CDs (non Box-Set) are Ultimae releases.

Triple. Digits. Worth.


Posted by planetaryplayer on May-06-2020 05:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Silky Johnson
You know he has ALS eh?


Only b/c he didn�t love himself and take care of his teeth


Posted by Trance-M on May-06-2020 20:42:

Jim Morrison and The Doors - Black Polished Chrome sample in this one:


Posted by lacksesepsotygh on May-07-2020 10:07:

That tech-house sample that goes Eh

doof doof doof eh


Posted by Paradox Lost on May-12-2020 09:17:

Hey, whatever happened to that band that Graham was talking about forming with Digweed and...I forget who else.

Anyone remember that? From, like, six years ago, maybe?

There was some PR blurb that three of the biggest names in UK prog were going to form an actual band band, but nothing ever seemed to come of it.


Posted by Mr Game+Watch on May-12-2020 20:35:

I love when songs sample video games.

Phuture - Rise From Your Grave samples Altered Beast




The Pac Man death sfx at 7 minutes in Jody Wisternoff's remix of "Light of Hope" by Andrew Bennett and Rico Soarez



Shogun - Zanarkand samples "To Zanarkand" from Final Fantasy X


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