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Originally posted by Redstar I was trying to put my thumb on what's missing with a lot of the newer tracks out there and this discussion made it click for me. There are a lot of overpowering supersaw leads that just don't leave any room for other elements. The "chaotic" feeling that Titanium mentioned is kind of accurate. Euphoria really shouldn't be forced on the listener lol. There definitely feels like with many tracks (not all) that there's a focus on the sound of the track rather than the melodies or anything else. I've kind of taken a break from trance for the past decade so I'm new to what's surely been an ongoing discussion. Not that the topic itself is new - I remember people saying melodic trance was dead 20 years ago!

Hey Steve,

I would love to hear this kind of euphoric trance see how easy on the ears with the percussions but it has a constant rhythm modern day uplifting is not uplifting at all or euphoric it lacks the addictive qualities that older trance had and older trance was so atmospheric and you can really feel the emotions whereas modern uplifting trance sound too robotic and digital. Unfortunately, some producers have egos bigger than their dicks that they don't listen at all the subtly in making the track breathe is also missing giving it life not making it sound like a robot or lifeless





Modern day uplifting this is trying to hard and it sounds like a cheaper version of something push would do



If we take a look at track you made back in 2008 which sounds like it was inspired by Passiva remix of a place called home by JPL both are quite good but that passiva remix is so addictive but I could listen to your remix in the background and appreciate it. I can't do the same for modern day trance. I can do that in goa trance records because they have elements of older melodic trance.





This is more of those amazing powerful trance that's done right.

If we compare to the modern day asot it's so noisy all of the tracks and even the intro pierces my ears and they have no addictive quality in them compare it to the older asot

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Originally posted by Midlothian Surely people like them could release anything they made on labels like FSOE, assuming that still exists. But perhaps it was a reality call that making cookie cutter trance wasn't going to bring in the money anymore since there are now a zillion another people doing same sounding the same. If money's the reason then I think they brought it on themselves.

Let's put FSOE as a test here


If we compare it to modern day trance see how it sounds there is no breathing space for me to connect it's struggling with a vibrato for me connect to and compare that his older track and old track is so addictive hear the percussion they sound and totally different and the arpeggios too and atmosphere in the 2nd track actually breathe and you can feel it and it's so subtle as well. The first track triggers my anxiety whilst the 2nd track lets me breathe and has amazing vibrato which I can connect. First track sound very plastic and almost dehumanized track the 2nd track sound like a human has made it's warm and rich

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Originally posted by Mattsanity Those first two tracks remind me of Solar Stone (in a good way). That 3rd track is proper euphoric trance. Tracks today may not sound organic like it used to, but I guess it still has its audience somewhere.

This was the last hard trance producer from Melbourne apart from Mike Nichol too but he is not producing quality like he used to















I have had to find melodic trance in techno

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Originally posted by Titanium Hey Steve, I would love to hear this kind of euphoric trance see how easy on the ears with the percussions but it has a constant rhythm modern day uplifting is not uplifting at all or euphoric it lacks the addictive qualities that older trance had and older trance was so atmospheric and you can really feel the emotions whereas modern uplifting trance sound too robotic and digital. Unfortunately, some producers have egos bigger than their dicks that they don't listen at all the subtly in making the track breathe is also missing giving it life not making it sound like a robot or lifeless Modern day uplifting this is trying to hard and it sounds like a cheaper version of something push would do If we take a look at track you made back in 2008 which sounds like it was inspired by Passiva remix of a place called home by JPL both are quite good but that passiva remix is so addictive but I could listen to your remix in the background and appreciate it. I can't do the same for modern day trance. I can do that in goa trance records because they have elements of older melodic trance. This is more of those amazing powerful trance that's done right.

Those are some quality tracks! And thank you, I'm very humbled to be mentioned among these selections. I totally know what you mean about room to breathe and showing more intentionality with the composition. The leads and melodies have real personality and clarity.

And what a throwback - I hadn't listened to "Long Way Home" in probably close to 15 years.

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Originally posted by Redstar Those are some quality tracks! And thank you, I'm very humbled to be mentioned among these selections. I totally know what you mean about room to breathe and showing more intentionality with the composition. The leads and melodies have real personality and clarity. And what a throwback - I hadn't listened to "Long Way Home" in probably close to 15 years.

So why don't producers want to make those kinds of tracks I find myself not even bothering to listen to Amber at all.

This track and others by him are unreleased.

I have a problem with productions like this as well. Track like the one below is so boring and so tight in term of compression.




I want to hear more tracks like this

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Originally posted by Titanium So why don't producers want to make those kinds of tracks I find myself not even bothering to listen to Amber at all.

I may be the wrong person to ask - I am just getting back into trance after taking a 10+ year break

All jokes aside, herd mentality by producer, labels and consumers alike is always a factor. The "over produced" sound we're talking about is what trance sounds like now and now people have to fit into the status quo.

Additionally, with all of the label consolidation (Armada has how many labels now?), labels are catering to parent companies a lot more than when I started my label.

And with the marketing power that the conglomerates have, it's harder for smaller artists to get noticed. Consolidation always leads to less creative freedom and these big labels own the airwaves.

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Originally posted by Redstar I may be the wrong person to ask - I am just getting back into trance after taking a 10+ year break All jokes aside, herd mentality by producer, labels and consumers alike is always a factor. The "over produced" sound we're talking about is what trance sounds like now and now people have to fit into the status quo. Additionally, with all of the label consolidation (Armada has how many labels now?), labels are catering to parent companies a lot more than when I started my label. And with the marketing power that the conglomerates have, it's harder for smaller artists to get noticed. Consolidation always leads to less creative freedom and these big labels own the airwaves.

Doesn't matter if you've been out of the 'game' for 10+ years your voice still matters. I used to work Airwave(who posts here but hasn't in a while) too and he quit a number of times and came back. I think it's a shame that people have turned their backs on Uplifting/euphoric trance/melodic trance after it has had such a MASSIVE positive influence in the past with so many producers and listeners. I know I spoke to Mike Shiver and Mirco De Gova both were so extremely bitter about it I blame social media for it because they shoved that whole dj lifestyle down people's face and became so toxic.

I am just pissed off at so many people turning their backs on melodic trance after it has such a positive influence on them this includes JOOF as well. Above & Beyond too they turned their backs on the entire style because of depression.Ferry corsten too has turned his back on uplifting trance his tracks during his golden period were amazing so iconic. I don't care what Sasha said about him he had his track on one of his complilations.

This is some criticism towards JOOF and his sub labels. I can see why they are trying differentiate themselves and I think that it's a bad idea.

To me they are extremely boring and I wouldn't call it trance or progressive just a flat line nothing really addictive the kick drums are so fucking tight and pierces my ear drums it doesn't have a nice home listening experience.



this is better but still the mastering is terrible but once again it's lacking in a lot of areas which a lot of older trance had.

I'm genuinely interested to know from users who still actively listen to this style of uplifting trance (Titanium, Trance-M etc) how a track like this would stack up vs. the contemporary stuff. It's been so long since I listened to an uplifting trance set that was made post 2008 or so that I feel totally out of the loop.

BTW I still listen to this song every now and then which is why I thought of it.

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Originally posted by SPANIARD I'm genuinely interested to know from users who still actively listen to this style of uplifting trance (Titanium, Trance-M etc) how a track like this would stack up vs. the contemporary stuff. It's been so long since I listened to an uplifting trance set that was made post 2008 or so that I feel totally out of the loop. BTW I still play listen to this song every now and then which is why I thought of it.

I absolutely love this track and I'd definitely like to hear more like it again.

The funny thing is, I just uploaded my own remix of this today to soundcloud. The timing is crazy! I just made this for fun, so it's short and it's missing the vocal riff.

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Originally posted by Titanium Doesn't matter if you've been out of the 'game' for 10+ years your voice still matters. I used to work Airwave(who posts here but hasn't in a while) too and he quit a number of times and came back. I think it's a shame that people have turned their backs on Uplifting/euphoric trance/melodic trance after it has had such a MASSIVE positive influence in the past with so many producers and listeners. I know I spoke to Mike Shiver and Mirco De Gova both were so extremely bitter about it I blame social media for it because they shoved that whole dj lifestyle down people's face and became so toxic. I am just pissed off at so many people turning their backs on melodic trance after it has such a positive influence on them this includes JOOF as well. Above & Beyond too they turned their backs on the entire style because of depression.Ferry corsten too has turned his back on uplifting trance his tracks during his golden period were amazing so iconic. I don't care what Sasha said about him he had his track on one of his complilations.

Thanks man. My point was that I may be uninformed but I appreciate that.

You made a good observation with Mike Shiver and Mirco De Govia. Many artists feel like they're fighting against the tide. Perhaps there's an opportunity for newer and older artists to work together.

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Originally posted by SPANIARD I'm genuinely interested to know from users who still actively listen to this style of uplifting trance (Titanium, Trance-M etc) how a track like this would stack up vs. the contemporary stuff. It's been so long since I listened to an uplifting trance set that was made post 2008 or so that I feel totally out of the loop. BTW I still play listen to this song every now and then which is why I thought of it.

Listen to how the drums are so well arranged during the buildup you can tell a lot of effort put into it

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Originally posted by Redstar Thanks man. My point was that I may be uninformed but I appreciate that. You made a good observation with Mike Shiver and Mirco De Govia. Many artists feel like they're fighting against the tide. Perhaps there's an opportunity for newer and older artists to work together.

You maybe uninformed but you can make a difference though

I don't blame them for going into that direction but at what cost though? They lose themselves in the process if they go with the tide sometimes.

Here is the thing though most producers fail to make stuff like they used to or Airwave is the exception here after they've quit producing.

When you shit like this being tagged as trance or happy hardcore (when it's a cheap version of it) what do you do?

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Originally posted by Redstar I absolutely love this track and I'd definitely like to hear more like it again. The funny thing is, I just uploaded my own remix of this today to soundcloud. The timing is crazy! I just made this for fun, so it's short and it's missing the vocal riff. RedstarMusic � Koris vs Djule - Sense of Time (Stargate Basic Intro Mix)

Damn!

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Originally posted by SPANIARD I'm genuinely interested to know from users who still actively listen to this style of uplifting trance (Titanium, Trance-M etc) how a track like this would stack up vs. the contemporary stuff. It's been so long since I listened to an uplifting trance set that was made post 2008 or so that I feel totally out of the loop. BTW I still play listen to this song every now and then which is why I thought of it.

Solid track. Very euphoric with a driving bassline. I really miss this 'warm' sound in uplifting trance.

Even Titanium has a point about making minimum wage when it comes to making trance, and loving what you're doing is only the tipping point. You need income to pay for those plugin tools and factor in the cost of living or just be a sellout like ****** to make money that way. I do give some respect to Thrillseekers for still sounding like he did back then and maintaining that image.

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Originally posted by Sync Is For Me Thrillseekers for still sounding like he did back then

But quite literally, doesn't he?

Well, not as powerful in melody as before, but aesthetically pleasing, like reel-to-reel tape or vinyl with a palette of emotion, plenty of low frequency with smooth high end, without sibilance. If you ask me its a good direction for his type of trance.

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Originally posted by Titanium If we compare to the modern day asot it's so noisy all of the tracks and even the intro pierces my ears and they have no addictive quality in them compare it to the older asot

Midway - Kung-Fu flew under the radar, at least for me. Thx mate.

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Originally posted by Titanium You maybe uninformed but you can make a difference though I don't blame them for going into that direction but at what cost though? They lose themselves in the process if they go with the tide sometimes.

That's a fair point! I'm trying to put some plans together right now. I'm not sure if I'll find a home for my new music, or if I'll end up bringing Red Force back. Currently in the process of connecting with old contacts to see if there's enough of a network and roster to release music through RFR.

On a similar note, if you or anyone here could recommend any newer up and coming DJs who play uplifting trance, that would be helpful. Feel free to share here or over a DM!

And back to your point, I think we can all make a difference in elevating the trance styles we want to hear. It just might take more effort to compete with algorithms and big marketing campaigns. Listeners will need to dig more for the music they like, and share/recommend the artists and labels to reach new ears. And like you said, the artists need to stay true to themselves with their music and show up for their audience, even when it's hard.

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Originally posted by Redstar That's a fair point! I'm trying to put some plans together right now. I'm not sure if I'll find a home for my new music, or if I'll end up bringing Red Force back. Currently in the process of connecting with old contacts to see if there's enough of a network and roster to release music through RFR. On a similar note, if you or anyone here could recommend any newer up and coming DJs who play uplifting trance, that would be helpful. Feel free to share here or over a DM! And back to your point, I think we can all make a difference in elevating the trance styles we want to hear. It just might take more effort to compete with algorithms and big marketing campaigns. Listeners will need to dig more for the music they like, and share/recommend the artists and labels to reach new ears. And like you said, the artists need to stay true to themselves with their music and show up for their audience, even when it's hard.

Engima State does and he has collaborated with Sean Tyas and he is particularly the only one that's come so close to how uplifting trance used to sound. He even add those soft intros that older trance used to have those crash cymbals as well. His tracks just need a bit of tweaking to get it just right but he is damn close.









JS1S remix is nice - no relation to Jakko from Darude/Bomfunk MCs unfortunately




I am not a big fan of the new Sean Tyas sound I loved his older style it's was just bang on amazing. This is one Enigma State Weakest track imo and it doesn't go anywhere for me.



Just amazing remix by Sean that breakdown is very similar to how Darude/Jakko used to make those amazing melodic breakdowns

@Redstar - There is also this guy on Activa's label but the quality on bandcamp is terrible and once again the percussion sound slightly off compared to older trance they sound too digital tight or plastic and sampled and not addictive like the older trance imo.

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