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Originally posted by Halcyon21 simplest way to do it is listen to what u like and to hell with the genre or subgenre

fucking right!! I just love TRANCE!!!

I just asked what progressive trance is because none of my friends who are into trance can define it. Some think Moogwai-Viola is progressive trance but I don't think so. They argue that because it progresses and builds and builds. Viola (the AVB mix I mean) is uplifting and melodic as HELL, so I wouldn't classify it as progressive. Also, Tiesto and other dj's say progressive is trance's future and the genre is already moving away from "gouryella trance anthem" stuff....which I think is very sad indeed

Anyway, screw it....let's just say we all love TRANCE! fuck the subgenre shit.

progressive trance is usually a more sedate style of trance, I suppose it can also be called light trance... I like a few progressive psytrance artists, dunno about regular prog trance though. Starecase has a nice tune on the Trance DVD I have called Exotic Robotics.

I guess I just don't get this whole "genre" thing. I mean...it's getting to the point where I'm expecting to start hearing "It couldn't possibly be #$%#$% trance because there's an F minor chord in it." or when people start arguing about whether or not a song is progressive trance or progressive house or progressive cha cha or whatever.Forget the genre and enjoy the music.I say...does the song make you want to get up and move? Can you dance to it....can you fuck to it? Then who gives a rat's ass what "genre" it is? I think that if you only like one or two genres of whatever...you're really limiting yourself when there's a whole world of music of all sorts to enjoy. True...there is a lot of stuff that is just plain shit and it's hard to believe that it could be enjoyed by anyone....but there's a lot of good stuff out there too. OK...flame on.

Hehehhe this is kind of a confusing topic


When people ask me what kind of muisc I spin,,, I tell them- Progresive House/ Trance.

I think it's fair to say that a lot of people classify trance in 2 major catagories>>>

Hard Trance,,, and Trance -aka- Progressive Trance.

There's no such thing as progressive trance! its all progressive house. people just stick the progressive to trance cos it sounds cool and its the 'IN' thing at the moment.

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Originally posted by Eu4ea_18 aren't most of these Progressive HOUSE?

Hehe! House?
No they are not!

originally posted by Johnny Eckhardt

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I guess I just don't get this whole "genre" thing. I mean...it's getting to the point where I'm expecting to start hearing "It couldn't possibly be #$%#$% trance because there's an F minor chord in it." or when people start arguing about whether or not a song is progressive trance or progressive house or progressive cha cha or whatever.Forget the genre and enjoy the music.I say...does the song make you want to get up and move? Can you dance to it....can you fuck to it? Then who gives a rat's ass what "genre" it is? I think that if you only like one or two genres of whatever...you're really limiting yourself when there's a whole world of music of all sorts to enjoy. True...there is a lot of stuff that is just plain shit and it's hard to believe that it could be enjoyed by anyone....but there's a lot of good stuff out there too. OK...flame on.

Word to the Mother Johnny! I agree with you totally. fuck all that genre shit, if it sounds good to you that's all it matters.

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Originally posted by robstar Hehe! House? No they are not!

it whas a rhetorical question, James Holden is for a fact a progressive house artist. Everything that Gu-esque artist make is progressive HOUSE. Progressive trance is a completely different genre as stated above.

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Originally posted by trance_is_it Word to the Mother Johnny! I agree with you totally. fuck all that genre shit, if it sounds good to you that's all it matters.

I understand that you're trying to say that all this fuss about genre classification is detrimental to the scene, BUT

it is a very important topic. Imagine a bird-lover not wanting to know the difference between a sparrow and a pigeon, because "they're both birds, and I love em". When you are really interested in something, you want to convey to others exactly what that something is. So when you ask for recommendations of tracks, or want a description of what the track sounds like, or to know what kind of music the dj you're seeing tonight is spinning, you want to know particular names of genres.

Re: Good lord..

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Originally posted by nennon We had a discussion on another forum about this.. There is no such thing as Progressive Trance, at least that label is COMPLETELY WRONG for the people Cobalt listed above. Either you're denying that you like progressive HOUSE, or you are just misinformed. Ask Mara what they call their music, and you won't get a word "trance" anywhere NEAR their reply.

Ok, I agree that Mara is more of a progressive house artist than progressive trance, but I wouldn't say the same for other artists such as those I listed. And progressive trance does exist because there are artists and DJs who describe their style that way.

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And what's this about "progressive trance being more melodic than house".. are you nuts? You're separating the genre into melodic and non-melodic and assigning different labels to it? If a song sounds like Xpander, its "progressive trance" just because it has melody?

Basically yes. Xpander is the quintessential progressive trance track. It has elements of both progressive house and trance. There are many others that make a similar crossover, and I wouldn't toss them into the 'progressive house' classification.

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Trance is trance, progressive house is progressive house.. Don't mix the two together, and try to understand that they are DIFFERENT - the vibe, the BPM, the people who produce it are very different. I don't consider anything to be trance if it's below 132 bpm. Simple as that, trance is defined by it's speed more than its synths, melodies, or anything else.

Oh come on. It's not going to contaminate the 'purity' of the progressive house scene. The existence of a genre called progressive trance will not make people think that Digweed and Tiesto are synonymous. Furthermore, there is not some inseparable barrier between progressive house and trance. Progressive trance producers and DJs integrate elements of both.

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If you're gonna start a new genre, at least label the artists properly. James Holden is not a trance producer :-P

No, he is not a trance producer. But he is a progressive trance and progressive house producer.

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Originally posted by dark_tenshi When tons and tons of trance songs became formulaic and cookie cutter songs started to stagnate the scene, a lot of producers started to produce something different, something that takes the percussive rhythms of house music combined with the electronic synthesized melodies of trance music and fuse them together. These producers wanted the music to always evolve, thus, the term Progressive was introduced. No, I wouldn't call Holden a trance producer because his productions not only represent the beautiful synths of trance, but also the percussive baselines of house.

I agree.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Only his new stuff - his older material is more in the breaks area...

That's true. Good point.

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Originally posted by k-cee There's no such thing as progressive trance! its all progressive house. people just stick the progressive to trance cos it sounds cool and its the 'IN' thing at the moment.

Artists and DJs described darker, housey sounding trance as progressive trance before the current vogue of progressive. It is not a new thing influenced by 'converted progressive fans.' I doubt that Breeder would have descibed their style as purely progressive house.

It's important to note that there is crossover between the two. Something can be called progressive trance and progressive house simultaneously. Labels are just meant to give some bearing on the sound, and exactness is not vital on a song-by-song basis. I have no problem calling tracks both progressive house and progressive trance. Different people describe music differently. But I do have a problem with progressive fans who feel that decribing anything as trance corrupts the 'house purity' of the sound. GU gurus are notorious for this.

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