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Posted by Noisician on Dec-07-2002 13:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Nyx

I must say that I like the "new" acid better than the old. But I think u dissagree there Acid Junkie, right?



right but again, acid trance in any form is NOT my favorite muzac, be it old-school or new-school... it's actually acid techno that i worship, which is dirtier and much more complex in terms of structure so my comments on acid trance are more likely to be negative... especially on the kind they produce nowadays


Posted by The Master on Dec-07-2002 15:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Acid Junkie
right but again, acid trance in any form is NOT my favorite muzac, be it old-school or new-school... it's actually acid techno that i worship, which is dirtier and much more complex in terms of structure so my comments on acid trance are more likely to be negative... especially on the kind they produce nowadays


Great, can you give us a little list of ACID TECHNO classics?


Posted by Nyx on Dec-07-2002 16:01:

quote:
Originally posted by The Master
Great, can you give us a little list of ACID TECHNO classics?



A & E Dept. - The Rabbit's Name Was
A & E Dept. - The Rabbit's Name Was (Kris Needs Mix)
Acut Genius - Evolution
Acut Genius - Formic Acid
Brain 22 - The Hard Side Of Life
Carbine - Psychothrill
Choci and Injector - Acid War (DJ Paola Rmx)
DJ Tomcraft - Unicum
Emmanuel Top - Turkish Bazar (T. P. Heckmann Rmx)
Junk Project vol. 1 - Braintool
Parasonic - 1 2 3 4
Pete Skank - Stay In Bed Forever
Solar Quest - Acid Air Raid
Terratropin - Get out (Terra C. mix)
Chris Liberator - It's Fuckin Having It
Chris Liberator - Time Bomb
Brain 19 - I Loose My Mind (Mind Control Remix)
Kektex vs Crack - Lock & Space People
Purple Road Ep - Keep Your Love
Nature Party - Stoned Nation
Repulsor - Sentimental Circuit
Terratropin - Get out (Terra C. mix)
L'age Synthetique - Do You
Parasonic - 1 2 3 4





Posted by Fast Turtle on Dec-07-2002 17:22:

SUN project

Sun Project - Sex Drugs & Acid Trance
Sun Project - Under Control
Sun Project - Out Of My Brain
Sun Project - Subsonic overdrive
sun project - tribolus
sun project - space dwarfs
koxbox - Tribal Oscillation (Prana Remix)
Prana - Primal Orbit
Prana - Voyager III


Posted by Noisician on Dec-07-2002 17:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Nyx


A & E Dept. - The Rabbit's Name Was
A & E Dept. - The Rabbit's Name Was (Kris Needs Mix)
Acut Genius - Evolution
Acut Genius - Formic Acid
Brain 22 - The Hard Side Of Life
Carbine - Psychothrill
Choci and Injector - Acid War (DJ Paola Rmx)
DJ Tomcraft - Unicum
Emmanuel Top - Turkish Bazar (T. P. Heckmann Rmx)
Junk Project vol. 1 - Braintool
Parasonic - 1 2 3 4
Pete Skank - Stay In Bed Forever
Solar Quest - Acid Air Raid
Terratropin - Get out (Terra C. mix)
Chris Liberator - It's Fuckin Having It
Chris Liberator - Time Bomb
Brain 19 - I Loose My Mind (Mind Control Remix)
Kektex vs Crack - Lock & Space People
Purple Road Ep - Keep Your Love
Nature Party - Stoned Nation
Repulsor - Sentimental Circuit
Terratropin - Get out (Terra C. mix)
L'age Synthetique - Do You
Parasonic - 1 2 3 4



many of those

1. are misspelled/mistitled

or/and

2. aren't acid techno

i'll upload some *real* acid techno samples for u to here the difference


Posted by TranceGiant on Dec-07-2002 17:39:

HappyHappy

Try Hallucinogen please


Posted by Fast Turtle on Dec-07-2002 17:43:

Yes, try them! All of them.

I don't really like them too much, though...


Posted by Nyx on Dec-07-2002 18:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Acid Junkie
many of those

1. are misspelled/mistitled

or/and

2. aren't acid techno

i'll upload some *real* acid techno samples for u to here the difference


They are my favourite acidtraxx anyway.


Posted by Nyx on Dec-07-2002 18:17:

quote:
Originally posted by TranceGiant
Try Hallucinogen please


Space Pussy & Gamma Goblin are very good. That's psytrance though


Posted by Noisician on Dec-07-2002 18:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Noisician

i'll upload some *real* acid techno samples for u to here the difference


here, take a listen

THESE are acid techno (all samples 80kbps, 44khz, mono)

lawrie immersion - even if now she's got a perm

lawrie immersion - burn tikkla

a&e dept - the rabbit's name was... (a&e dept's omatosis mix) original mix is NOT acid techno: julian liberator said in an interview that they had planned to release two versions from the very beginning: acid trance one (original) and acid techno one (omatosis)... and that's exactly what they did

arkatek - cut off fingercy

punk floyd - can't breathe (balloonheads's oi oi mix)

secret hero - control (christian varela's acid madrid mix)
i uploaded a very cool breakbeat part of it


Posted by Nyx on Dec-07-2002 18:36:

I like the reverse 303 in (a&e dept's omatosis mix)..secret hero - control (christian varela's acid madrid mix) was wiiikid too

But I prefer when the 303 is more "growling"


Posted by Lira on Dec-07-2002 19:44:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Nuclear
SUN project

Sun Project - Sex Drugs & Acid Trance
Sun Project - Under Control
Sun Project - Out Of My Brain
Sun Project - Subsonic overdrive
sun project - tribolus
sun project - space dwarfs
koxbox - Tribal Oscillation (Prana Remix)
Prana - Primal Orbit
Prana - Voyager III


This is goa... so is hallucinogen

Kids, let's keep something in mind: Acid owns goa Usually


Posted by Fast Turtle on Dec-07-2002 23:50:

goa is acid trance... I dunno if you could differentiate one 303 based trance from the other. And psytrance owns acid trance whatever as far as parties go...there's no where more hardcore than psytrance parties.

I think acid techno would be considered another genre, though, kinda...I've heard this stuff at psytrance parties..


Posted by Lira on Dec-08-2002 02:07:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Nuclear
goa is acid trance...

Neither here nor there... sorry mate, but goa and acid are totally different.

Goa evolved from EBM, is from goa (duh!) and is all complicated, with all those synth-lines and it's psychedelic. It's like comparing

Acid trance evolved from german techno, is not that complicated . Highly 303 (tranzier than acid techno, obviously), and, depending on the tune, pads and some more melodic stuff (I chose to show the tunes which have them to show the difference more clearly). It's not psychedelic at all.

Here are some samples:

Goa / Psy-trance (I can't be arsed to make any difference among these genres )

Astral Projection - Mahadeva

Hallucinogen - LSD

Acid Trance:

Hardfloor - Acperience 1

Jon the Dentist - Global Phases

Quite different, innit?


Posted by Verona^My on Dec-08-2002 06:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Maaz
Neither here nor there... sorry mate, but goa and acid are totally different.

Goa evolved from EBM, is from goa (duh!) and is all complicated, with all those synth-lines and it's psychedelic. It's like comparing


EBM or Eurodance depending on how you listen to it, I've seen both listed as influences on different websites, although I think goatrance sounds more like eurodance than EBM, that's for sure.


Posted by Verona^My on Dec-08-2002 06:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Acid Junkie
here, take a listen

THESE are acid techno (all samples 80kbps, 44khz, mono)

lawrie immersion - even if now she's got a perm

lawrie immersion - burn tikkla

a&e dept - the rabbit's name was... (a&e dept's omatosis mix) original mix is NOT acid techno: julian liberator said in an interview that they had planned to release two versions from the very beginning: acid trance one (original) and acid techno one (omatosis)... and that's exactly what they did

arkatek - cut off fingercy

punk floyd - can't breathe (balloonheads's oi oi mix)

secret hero - control (christian varela's acid madrid mix)
i uploaded a very cool breakbeat part of it


now this stuff is interesting, although I still prefer goatrance as it's a nice mix of melodic trance / w acid elements. I think this is more interesting than the acid trance samples that the other guy posted. Do you have a list of this stuff, maybe I'll check out some, when I'm dabbling around.


Posted by Chuck Norris on Dec-08-2002 07:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Acid Junkie
that's right, and u know why acid air raid is so different from other releases on tracid traxx? because it was not originally released there. it was released on choci's chewns first and only then licensed to tracid traxx 4(!) years after. perhaps, tracid realized that this track would raise the label's rating because it sounds so much better than other stuff released there


Thanks for clearing that up dude, i like most of the stuff released on Tracid Traxxx cause most of there songs do have some wicked 303 loops etc. But it's just simply not the original Acid Trance that i'm after :P

quote:
Originally posted by Nyx
The first traxx by A.S.Y.S.; Acid Train & Acid Squid is acid. But I'm not sure if they where released on Tracid Traxxx


Yep they are definetly Acid Trance but i don't think they were released on Tracid Traxxx, pity, those would probably be some of A.S.Y.S' best work....


Posted by Lira on Dec-08-2002 07:38:

Hey, Verona^my, these tunes that acid junkie posted are acid techno. There are several threads about it, just look for "lochi AND acid" in the search engine and you'll have a huge list

And about goa evolving from eurodance... no mate, it didn't. I've studied the history of goa and, as far as I know, eurodance had nothing to do with it. Here's a document about its origins:
http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/carts...sic/mh/goa.html


Posted by Chuck Norris on Dec-08-2002 07:38:

Lol i better bookmark this thread, it's probably the only thread i know those has smart replies...


Posted by Chuck Norris on Dec-08-2002 07:50:

quote:
Originally posted by [N]�k|��[Z]
wow, im suprised you know that, acid air raid is a feckin great track tho, it never leaves my record bag


Fuck Oath, has never left my record bag and never will! One of the best choices i made when buying this track Along with buying Rank 1 - Airwave


Posted by Fast Turtle on Dec-08-2002 08:23:

Goa evolved from psychadelic rock and has existed for far longer than trance or "eurodance". Another big local acid trance writer around here is spacegirl if you wanna check her stuff out. She does live PA.


Posted by Nyx on Dec-08-2002 10:56:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Nuclear
Goa evolved from psychadelic rock and has existed for far longer than trance or "eurodance". Another big local acid trance writer around here is spacegirl if you wanna check her stuff out. She does live PA.


I haven't heard from spacegirl for a long time..does she still release music?


"Space Girl - Pure Energy" is her best track!


I know that she's a russian chick btw.


Posted by Nyx on Dec-08-2002 14:36:


guide to ELECTRONIC MUSIC <---Click here to see a pretty good map of electronic genres


Posted by Lira on Dec-08-2002 14:39:

^^^^ Excellent guide (even though it's supposed to be more humorous than informative)

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Nuclear
Goa evolved from psychadelic rock and has existed for far longer than trance or "eurodance".

But that's exactly what I had said, EBM was just one of the steps to Goa

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Nuclear
Another big local acid trance writer around here is spacegirl if you wanna check her stuff out.

You just don't believe me when I say that goa and acid have got nothing to do with each other, do you?
quote:
Originally posted by Nyx
I know that she's a russian chick btw.

hhhhhmmmm..... russki devochki


Posted by Nyx on Dec-08-2002 15:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Maaz
hhhhhmmmm..... russki devochki


What does that mean? I can't speak russian..such a strange language..no offence Acid Junkie


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