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Posted by Daedra on Dec-13-2002 03:24:

All my Music files are .ogg but as far as ogg killing mp3, I dont know but its definatly a possiblity because ogg is open-source so you dont have to worry about licensing fees like you do with mp3's. As a matter of fact Unreal Tournament 2003 uses ogg for its music files.

Posted by eXeTik on Dec-13-2002 03:24:

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
If everyone was like you we'd still be living in caves eating raw meat...

Nicely put...

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Originally posted by Nicke
that's what they said about .wma some time ago, and how many of you use .wma instead of .mp3? i don't, and i won't.

First of all- *.wma is way more populer then *.ogg
As a matter of fact, I only heared bout *.ogg a few days ago while *.wma is more populer to the scene.
In any case- the thing with *.wma is that it has a downside to it which is much higher cpu lading then mp3, that's why I was looking for downsides to *.ogg (and which to this point were reported none).

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Originally posted by xtr3m
The OGG format is indeed capable of more things than mp3 and at lower size.

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Originally posted by Lyst
Everyone is just do darn lazy =P

"Let's just stick to the old mp3 format, we don't want to damage our brains or something with three new letters."

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Originally posted by Sundevil
Ogg is alright, but until it gets more widespread usage it's pretty worthless...

Guess it's time to spread it arround then eh?

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Originally posted by trance[]control-fan
the good thing about mp3 is that there are soo many mp3 players out there..i mean portable and car mp3 player...if the start releasing ogg capable players...then its a diff story...but i like mp3..so.

Once it will catch arround they'll start making merchandise for *.ogg, just like they did when *.mp3 first caught on.

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Originally posted by trance[]control-fan
you know i just DL the encoder and i made some test...OGG sounds better then mp3..i encoded a wav to 128 ogg file and encoded a 256 mp3 and the ogg sounded a little better...closer to the wav format......but i aint encoder all my shit to ogg...thinking about encoding live sets to ogg....heres the big + on .ogg..

i encode a song......
.wav file = 44.9 megs
.mp3 @ 256 = 08.1 megs
.ogg @ 128 = 03.8 megs

There goes my point, better quality, less size... just imagine live sets beeing put in this format!!

Posted by tc-fan on Dec-13-2002 04:42:

well i used Lame also to encode my mp3....also i think .WMA suck balls..i tried them, and it has a delay when playing them....not like mp3 where you just click and listen...also got the .ogg for winmap to play ogg files...

Posted by tc-fan on Dec-13-2002 04:44:

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Originally posted by benfica88
Doesn't anyone remember mp4? It was just like ogg but died out a lot quicker. I had a couple of trance tacks on the format. Thought it was going to take over mp3.

it wasnt mp4 it was mp3pro....mp4 will neva come out..

Posted by eXeTik on Dec-13-2002 09:33:

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Originally posted by trance[]control-fan
also got the .ogg for winmap to play ogg files...

I have winamp V2.80 and it recodnized *.ogg files as playable audio without me installing any extra plugins on it or anything...

Posted by quddha on Dec-13-2002 09:44:

The most important thing about ogg is that it is FREE, and Fraunhofer can't charge programmers and developers for using the mp3 format. WMA is microsoft, so same story.

But of course, it will never be more popular, like how buzz will never be more popular that fruity loops, and linux will never be more popular than windows, and people will always buy computers from dell.

Posted by jon on Dec-13-2002 11:25:

mp3 will always be withus, as it was the first out there and any format will be hard pressed to replace it, even if it is techinacally bettter, microsoft couldnt force wma on us with all its $$$$$$$$$.

Posted by nekholm on Dec-13-2002 11:44:

Posted by dj_cuba on Dec-13-2002 15:27:

ogg sounds wicked! but can you make audio cd's with it?

I am also gonna buy an MP3 Discman soon and now Iam not sure whether to buy it

Posted by tc-fan on Dec-13-2002 15:29:

well i got 2.80 also and i had to install it.

Posted by T_2199 on Dec-13-2002 15:31:

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Originally posted by dj_cuba
ogg sounds wicked! but can you make audio cd's with it?

I am also gonna buy an MP3 Discman soon and now Iam not sure whether to buy it

buy it mp3 will live for a long time!!

Posted by auujay on Dec-13-2002 15:44:

I think the reason .ogg os not very popular yet (tho I agree with what most people are saying that it will never reach mp3 fame) is that it is new. "But I have heard about it for years" you ask, that is because is Open Source (as has been mentioned before) and they release early and often. So there have been beta versions around for awhile.

It is only recently that they finished a 1.0 version of the encoder, so if you have not given them a try I highly recomend it. The earlier encoders not only did not make really small file sizes, also could not even match mp3 quality. This has all been fixed and .ogg rocks!

Also for you vinyl junkies, there is also a related format to .ogg called .flac which is lossless (like a wav or zip file) but is half the size of a wav file. I use .flac to backup my vinyl to CD. This way I will always be able to decode it to whatever the new standard in the future is (if .ogg catches on or someother format) because you do not get the lower sound quality of a lossy format.

Posted by AC. on Dec-13-2002 16:59:

As mentiond earlier dont convert mp3 to ogg or vice versa. When you make a mp3 out of a wav file you remove some 'unececery' stuff to reach the low size, the same thing is done with ogg, but not necceserly the same stuff is removed. So if you convert a mp3 to ogg you lose both what the mp3 removes and what the ogg takes away which lead to bad quality

Posted by noikeee on Dec-13-2002 17:02:

I don't think any format will in the next few years take over mp3, mp3 are spread everywhere, you can find anything on mp3, but ogg.. is just starting. it has to compete with billions of files stored in millions of computers. .mp3'll never die, even .wav didn't die till now!

Posted by tc-fan on Dec-13-2002 17:07:

AC thats what i did...i decoded a high bit rate mp3 to wav then to ogg...

Posted by eXeTik on Dec-15-2002 05:10:

Well, popularity is up for the releasing groups to spread... after all, it's all up to them. the thing is that it would be really nice to see this format beeing spread arround as it's benefits could be highly used... as the final built version of this format was just finished it's rather new and many aren't aware of it at all.

Mp3 is indeed leading it's kind, though I do think times will change and change rather soon as the internet evolves quickly to say atleast and if something better is available it WILL be used... it's just a matter of time till' people will be come aware of this brilliant new format and will start using it.

BTW- if anyone is interested in any more info, head on to http://www.ogg.org/ogg/index.html

Posted by shao on Dec-15-2002 08:39:

ok.. i just read the first page so i might be repetaing some stuff here, but converting mp3-> ogg isn't great because ... well.. think of it like this:

when you covert wav to mp3, what happens is certain bits of information get discarded. The discarded portions are usually just there, but without them, you won't be able to hear anydifferences. The same thing happens with ogg, but, to retain quality and have different file sizes, one should reason that between two languages, you'll discard different things. So that's why mp3-> ogg ain't a good idea. Also, the ogg will never sound better than the mp3; best case scenario = it will sound the same.

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Dec-15-2002 09:57:

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Originally posted by _The_Storm_
even .wav didn't die till now!

Erm... wav's dead? wtf?

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Dec-15-2002 10:06:

Damn forum...

Posted by arctic on Dec-16-2002 00:37:

quote:
Originally posted by _The_Storm_
I don't think any format will in the next few years take over mp3, mp3 are spread everywhere, you can find anything on mp3, but ogg.. is just starting. it has to compete with billions of files stored in millions of computers. .mp3'll never die, even .wav didn't die till now!

umm, wave didn't die......

wave is an uncompressed, CD qualityu format, it is not intended to compete with mp3.....

Posted by AC. on Dec-16-2002 01:31:

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Originally posted by trance[]control-fan
AC thats what i did...i decoded a high bit rate mp3 to wav then to ogg...

You see when mp3 out of a original CD the quality you lose is lost forever it wont come back even if you make it to wav again

its like resize an image. if you have a big picture and make it half size and use the zoom to view it in its original size the picture will be bad quiality( i dont know the word for it )

Posted by eXeTik on Dec-16-2002 09:44:

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Damn forum...

Posted by noikeee on Dec-16-2002 13:56:

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Originally posted by arctic
umm, wave didn't die......

wave is an uncompressed, CD qualityu format, it is not intended to compete with mp3.....

well.. i was misunderstood.. what I was trying to say is that not even .wav is dead.. I agree with you

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Dec-16-2002 14:18:

quote:
Originally posted by eXeTik

That was a double post - ignore it

Posted by Joost008 on Dec-16-2002 14:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
That was a double post - ignore it

You can also just delete the post

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