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a good enter score is becomming harder to get.
more and more people want to go to uni.
i got 50, i studyed 2-3 days b4 each exam for about 3 hours each day :|
i done well all the way thru the yr, but its bullshit man, even maths and english got marked down.
i worked out if my shit hadn't been marked down as much as it was instead of 50 i would got about 75 :|
ne way thats all i have to say.
im curious as to how the Victorian system works
care to explain?
this is for year 12 right?
I aint too sure on how it works, but it's somethin like this
Scores are out of 50. Some Subjects are marked up, some are marked down. After you're exams, you're top 4 scores are taken - English is taken no matter what you get for it - and are added up together, then somethin like 10-15% is taken from the score of ur 5th subject, these are put together n factored out across the state. There's probably more to it, but i think that's the basic jist of it 
Oh yea, VCE is done over Year 11 n 12
the 1st n 2nd unit of a certain subject is done in Year 11, then 3/4 in Year 12. If you do a 3/4 subject in Year 11 (which im gonna do) you also get marked up for that 
just got my yr. 9 marks back 
basically, i have done no work whatsoever over the year, and not much study. Fine you may say, but the major fucking problem is the fact that im at one of those expensive posho private schools 
anyhow, i ###### up half my subjects.
I got A's for 3 of them, passed 2 more, got graded for 2 more, and failed/UG'd 2 more.
i had a "meeting" with the principal where they basically spent 20 minutes asking me why i did not do any homework or try, when i went well in all their aptitude testing 
i didnt get booted though, so thats ok....
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| Originally posted by arctic Fine you may say, but the major fucking problem is the fact that im at one of those expensive posho private schools |
so your enter score is your rank??
out of 100?
we have a TER in WA - Tertiary entrance rank, which basically ranks you in accordance to the rest of the students sitting TEE in our state - a TER of 90 means you're in the top 10%
they take half your year 12 mark and half your final TEE exam mark then do all sorts of scaling to make things *fair*
Yea ur TER is ur rank, highest mark you can get is 99.95, ths .05 is supposably yourself 
hsc is crap i did it last year, liek 2 months later nothing matters, employers dont care they just want expierience. but anyway good on you all for getting ya marks! enjoy it
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| Originally posted by waXology hsc is crap i did it last year, liek 2 months later nothing matters, employers dont care they just want expierience. but anyway good on you all for getting ya marks! enjoy it |
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Trancey Ash & Ves, they're some very nice looking numbers.
Keep it up, don't stray. There's a lot ahead of you!
Being successful in school & university has a lot to do with attitude/mindset, not just intelligence and amount of time spent doing homework and studying.
This reminds me of when I was back at school and university.
I think year 10 is pretty easy. Year 11 and 12 can be difficult if you want marks above 95%, which I managed to achieve in year 11, and ended up with the Dux award... coming first in 3 unit maths, physics, chemistry and english... but it wasn't without dedication, motivation, and a strongly focused, mature, and competitive mindset, and attitudes of confidence and perfectionism, and even of vengefulness, selfishness and aggression. I've never had tuition because I always believed that I never needed it. Things changed in year 12 and my marks dropped a bit... I think it was when I started associating with people I shouldn't have been associating with. Anyway, I ended up with a TER of 91.4, which I guess is okay, enough to get into the university course I had chosen. 4 unit maths scaled my marks up immensely.
It's amazing how other people can steer your mind in various directions. The people you be with can have an affect on your own success. Being with successful people can help you in becoming successful yourself. I think this is valid for anything in life. The dilemma is that you may want to be with people who are "cool".
I also should mention that psychoactive substances, including alcohol, can severely alter your attitudes/mindset and moods, maybe permanently. It's best left till later if you ever do decide to get into them.
Many employers do look at your TER and subject results. If you have completed a university course, many employers examine your university results as well. I'd rather turn the chances in my favour, so I aimed high in uni as well... got mostly high distinctions and distinctions and a few credits and a couple of passes, I did Computer Systems Engineering. Then again, you'd want to have fun while you're in university. Yes it's that dilemma again.
People will say that the key is "balance". But that's easier said than done. "balance" can become somewhat irrelevant if you are aiming for results of 100% in all school and uni work that you do. Almost everyone can achieve 100% in any work, but the factor that is preventing it is time... more specifically, the limitation of it. Geniuses spend only a small amount of time to be able to achieve results 100% or close to it. But for the rest of us, it takes more effort and time, which means sacrifices may need to be made. It is then up to you to figure out your priorities and decide what and how much you are willing to sacrifice. This is the potential downside of aiming high in your school and uni work... whether it's a downside at all can depend on how intelligent you actually are. Don't forget other factors such as attitude/mindset can strongly play a part as well.
Well, that's my perspective on the topic of academic achievement.
Other people have their own views.
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| Originally posted by Hyperdimension Trancey Ash & Ves, they're some very nice looking numbers. Keep it up, don't stray. There's a lot ahead of you! Being successful in school & university has a lot to do with attitude/mindset... |
), I am going to have to be self-motivated and catch up on all my missed work in my free periods. And because of my timetable I have a ton of free periods...it's wrong to give someone like me so much time to do whatever I want! Instead of catching up on missed work like I should be doing, I bet I'll just spend my time posting on TA and listening to CDs & live sets.) and we are very competitive with each other. It is that competition that drives us both to be successful regarding schoolwork...I think the close competition is generally beneficial as we push each other harder and harder. However, sometimes I think the competition is killing our friendship. I don't really like the fact that we always compare marks, and at the end of the year there is always an air of bitchyness whenever subject prizes, proxime accessit & dux are announced. It can be rather pathetic... | quote: |
| Originally posted by arctic i had a "meeting" with the principal where they basically spent 20 minutes asking me why i did not do any homework or try, when i went well in all their aptitude testing |
Ok, bragging time..... HD for german !!! Doing the happy dance! :-) Well, i didn't fail any of my other subjects and actually got a credit in the subject that everyone fails in comp sci. I got a Distinction in Java Programming which was ok since i turned up to a total of 2 lectures, 0 tutes only a few pracs..... Easy subject. No more maths now for me! ;-)
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| Originally posted by Ves Regarding exams and assessments, I have the philosophy "if you're stuck, make it up", and it has worked for me so far. I think I have tried to bullshit my way through every subject this year, and in the majority of them I have succeeded. But I don't know whether my bullshitting skills are going to get me anywhere next year. |
to be honest i think year 11 and 12 is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be... if you have a good memory then u can get pretty good marks cramming - i found with my final TEE exams in year 12, the best exams i did were the ones i had 2 days to study for in comparison to those which i had one night for...
dont forget to have a social life.. or you'll go crazy 
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| Originally posted by PointyDC Which one? |
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| [i][b]wow! that's a little over the top! I go to what is considered the "poshy private school" of my area, but they don't do anything like that! The teaching staff are more concerned with the effort you put into your work over what your actual grades are...and even then, the teachers don't even check homework and that shite. |
my god im so old 5th year uni baby, hell im like a grandpa at some trance events
university results
litigation - Distinction
Legal Ethics - Distinction
Corporations Law - Credit
One more year and im out, i get my BCom in april woohoo!
i know your old folks use to say it, but i strongly believe that Year 11 - 12 were some of the best years of my life. Everything was memorable EXCEPT the actual learning bit.
The social aspect of schooling should never be discounted and it's important to saviour these moments.
Sure, laugh at me now (or probably continue laughing if you haven't yet) but in a few years you'll yearn for and remember the days of the ol' schoolyard.
Well, you know what they say, the youth is wasted on the young (thanx Robbie Williams).
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| Originally posted by MichaelDudikoff i know your old folks use to say it, but i strongly believe that Year 11 - 12 were some of the best years of my life. Everything was memorable EXCEPT the actual learning bit. The social aspect of schooling should never be discounted and it's important to saviour these moments. Sure, laugh at me now (or probably continue laughing if you haven't yet) but in a few years you'll yearn for and remember the days of the ol' schoolyard. Well, you know what they say, the youth is wasted on the young (thanx Robbie Williams). |
god, how high school seems so long ago for me.
i already have my degree and doin my postgrad atm.
definitely some of the best years of my life though.
anything after just doesnt seem so close knit as high school, and the fact that though you might dread it now, going to school each day, seeing the same people sort of enforces that closeness between friends. as somebody said, life long friendships are made.
anyhow, congrats trancey ash and ves for the grades. its still early days though, i only remember really applyin myself in year 12 and it paid off. Stress i hear someone say? *shrug* stress is self inflicted. its smooth sailing once you maintain a balance between everything. mmm. The TER mark or ENTER mark tho, whatever they call it these days is only significant for the course in which you want to do. Once uni begins, it goes into extinction. nobody asks what score you got, *shrug* nobody cares =)
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| Originally posted by Ves For every single assessment this year I have started a few days before the due date (sometimes the night before!), and done all-nighters..however, I still have fairly good marks. I know that next year I can't continue to do that. |
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I am going to have to actually start managing my time effectively |
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Regarding exams and assessments, I have the philosophy "if you're stuck, make it up" |
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Because I have a screwed up timetable because my subjects clashed with each other (3 Unit Maths clashes with Modern History, my best subject ) |
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one of my close friends has been dux of my year group since year 7 (she's a little genius ) and we are very competitive with each other. |
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...I'm not ready to start working hard next year! |
I came first in the subject, I even finished the final exam 1.5h early and got 100%! And during the school year I had more time for other things.
Fuck me...
English: B+
Sose: B
Science: C+
Maths: E
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| Originally posted by MichaelDudikoff i know your old folks use to say it, but i strongly believe that Year 11 - 12 were some of the best years of my life. Everything was memorable EXCEPT the actual learning bit. The social aspect of schooling should never be discounted and it's important to saviour these moments. Sure, laugh at me now (or probably continue laughing if you haven't yet) but in a few years you'll yearn for and remember the days of the ol' schoolyard. Well, you know what they say, the youth is wasted on the young (thanx Robbie Williams). |
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| Originally posted by Hyperdimension Long Ass Post |
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| Originally posted by Hyperdimension In year 11 and 12, I had to do a few late nights and all-nighters, and many in university. But it was only because of work overload and my obsession with getting top marks... I'm not a genius, so it took time, effort, and even suffering (and possibly psychological damage [yes I think I did go crazy, maybe I still am]) to consistently get marks like that. Clear and efficient thinking is a very important factor in determining the amount of time it takes to do work. I mentioned psychoactive recreational substances before because they can impair mental efficiency and clarity, and it's up to you to decide what your priority is of having great fun with the aid of such substances as compared to that of getting marks in the top range. As ideal as it sounds to managing your time effectively, in practice it's often impossible... because it's difficult to estimate how long it's going to take you to learn things, to have a good understanding of difficult concepts, and to do assignments. If you're only aiming to pass a subject, it's okay to not even attempt to understand difficult subject material. But to get top marks, you usually need to understand almost everything. In the few cases that it really is almost impossible to understand particular things, the trick is to be very good at answering questions/problems by going through sample answers and practising to mimic the answers. With this kind of practise, it's easy to do very well in exams in which the questions/problems are very similar to those you did in your homework and class. A lot of exams are like that, and it's usually only accidental mistakes that distinguishes one student from another. But often the odd completely unfamiliar and tricky questions/problems are put in that really test your understanding of particular concepts and your ability to to use your understanding. That's where you can stand out above the rest, and the effort and time spent pays off. The question to ask yourself is how much effort and time you are willing to spend at the expense of other things in life in order to achieve the goals you set. An analogy would be those sportspeople who do whatever it takes, including keeping to an extremely strict lifestyle, to be able to eventually have a chance in making it into a highly-regarded team e.g. an olympic team. I think there will be times when you simply don't know the answer... that's when you need to make up an answer... so you should also improve your abilities in this art form. I have found that neat writing helps. I'm a messy writer, so I wasn't too good when it came to these situations, but a friend at uni was neat, and he often got away with his bogus exam answers that "looked" right. Classes are mostly a waste of time if you are motivated and a fast learner and worker. Classes can drag you back to an "average" student's pace, when really if you read the material you could take it all in within a fraction of the time. However you don't want to miss out on important points that the teacher might tell in class, and that the text may not have mentioned or emphasised. Teachers are also useful for answering quieries you might have, or for assistance if you are stuck on a problem. I used to do my homework while sitting in class, partially concentrating on the teacher's ramblings to detect whether he/she has said anything important. Homework was usually just questions from the text book. I got to have more time to do other things. Save time wherever you can! I think the competition with your friend is still a healthy kind. How much a mark means to a student is influenced by the amount of time and effort it took to get the marks. It's easy to be jealous because you may have spent a lot more time and effort than her yet she still gets better results. If you say she is a genius, then intelligence would be her advantage over you. Intelligence is pretty much a constant, so to get better marks than her you would need to improve other factors that influence marks, like mindset/attitude, and even mental and physical health. Modifying your mindset/attitude really is the same as willingly "brainwashing" yourself. You make yourself think and behave in a different way. Most dedicated sportspeople would have trained their minds in various ways to help them achieve their goals. An "average normal person" mindset obviously would not be appropriate for their purposes. In terms of school/university marks, "average normal person" marks would be I'd say around 60% +/- 15%... think of something like the "normal" or "bell" curve you would have studied in mathematics. University entrance scores close to 100% would not be of an "average normal person". I knew of someone at school who was unhealthily competitive - he was selfish and arrogant. At the time, I thought that was the way to go... so I adopted his ways to an extent... I was aggressive. Marks improved immensely but I was disliked by some people... I dismissed it as jealousy, but now I believe it's because I held no respect for anyone. If I could push everyone down just so there was a bigger gap between myself and the others, I would. It's not the way to go. Unhealthy competition can have negative consequences in various ways... whether or not you believe in karma. It's not a bad idea to get the text books and study ahead while you actually have the time. It makes more spare time available during the school year, and you'll thank yourself for it. I actually finished the entire year 11 2 unit mathematics course in a month during the holidays. That's what you call motivation. I came first in the subject, I even finished the final exam 1.5h early and got 100%! And during the school year I had more time for other things.Similarly, before my university course commenced I covered most of the Discrete Mathematics first semester subject in the holidays... and ended up getting 98% in the subject, and that's not a scaled mark! It may sound like it's going too far when you study ahead in the holidays... but I see it as similar to reading a long novel, or doing crosswords. The difference is that reading a text book or novel for a future class will improve your marks, and if it's considered to be fun, it could be similar to playing strategy games everyday... you're using your mind a lot doing something that you enjoy. Making the work feel interesting and fun is one strategy to get yourself to do the work - it becomes like a game that you have to succeed in and win with the highest possible score you can achieve. You are competing with tens of thousands of other players from around the state. What will be your rank in the hall of fame? People may say that there is little point in achieving too highly in school and university. One of the purposes of school is to get a final mark to be eligible for a university course. However, school also gives young people a good foundation of training and knowledge which they can apply beneficially in their lives... whether it be in their finances, written and verbal communication, or how things work. School provides valuable education for people, and should be regarded a lot more highly by students than currently. Education is important for a society to develop well and flourish. Students may be too young to realise the importance of what they are going through, and take school for granted. There are many parts of the world in which school is an exclusive privilege and not a right, and opportunity for children to go to school is slim or non-existent. If students realised and appreciated the importance of education and committed themselves to it to a higher degree, it would not only benefit themselves but possibly also the society in which they live, and then ultimately, the human race. Therefore, academic excellence should not be discouraged, but encouarged and commended. We should encourage students to be the best that they can be, not just "average normal people". Technology has become an essential part of our lives, and it could not have come as far as how it is today if it were not for the pioneers who developed the theorems and theories of mathematics and science. The pioneers themselves were not "average normal people". The work they did are not the things that "average normal people" come up with. Don't let anyone drag you down! |
Woah man, that is the most motivationg thing I've ever read about school! You have actualy got through to me (a very rare occurence). So now I'm going to read my English texts before school goes back, instead of not reading them at all. Uaually I'l lucky to read them once. I actually wanna come first next year at something. I come like second in some stuff and it pisses me off! 3rd in English this year! GRRRR 
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