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Originally posted by Arbiter 1. That which is derived from nature is natural. (by def. of natural) 2. Human beings are derived from nature. (premise) 3. Porn is created by human beings. (premise) 4. That which is created by something is also derived from it. (by def. of derive) 5. Porn is derived from nature. (by 2-4) 6. Porn is natural. (1,5) Cheers, Arbiter

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Originally posted by Arbiter Sex crimes are unilaterally less prevalent in nations and regions where the availability of pornographic material is relatively high. In fact, a culture's or subculture's degree of sexual repressiveness exhibits a direct and inverse relationship to the frequency of acts of sexual depravity. Catholic priests and theocracies in the middle east are good examples of this phenomenon. Empirical evidence unfalteringly suggests that the world would be a significantly better place were the availability of pornography more widespread. If there were some kind of charitable foundation dedicated to brining porn to overprotected children, I'd give them money.

hmm.. very interesting and cogent point of view arbiter, I love your posts. In a way i agree with you, in a sense that repressing it can make it worse, as in the example of catholic priests and such.

However, i think that in modern western society, we've erred on the side off too much exposure, and oversaturated the culture with sexuality. you can't turn on much music or walk down a magazine aisle without seeing reams of airbrushed flesh waved in your face.

I believe that this is not neccesarily increasing the amount of depravity, but rather diminishing the sacrosanct nautre of sexuality.

it coiuld be argued that keeping the population satisfied with porn makes it a better place by keeping hormones low, but i believe that it would be better to keep sex a very rare and personal thing.

Take the resulting people that can't deal with the repression who would commite rapes and abuses and lock them up where they shoud be.

It should be noted i don't think that people who look at "standard" porn (ie consenting adults) should be prosecuted, as they are not hurting anyone but themselves.

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Originally posted by Arbiter 1. That which is derived from nature is natural. (by def. of natural) 2. Human beings are derived from nature. (premise) 3. Porn is created by human beings. (premise) 4. That which is created by something is also derived from it. (by def. of derive) 5. Porn is derived from nature. (by 2-4) 6. Porn is natural. (1,5) Cheers, Arbiter

while i am a huge fan of logic, by this train, crack cocaine, murder, war, genetic modification, racism, genocide, etc are all natural.

and, i suppose they are, i just hope you don't equate natural with right or good.

http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/purity/index.asp

This has got to be the biggest pile of shit ever. I have lost all respect for the president of the United States. I bet he wacked off like hell when he was younger.

porn is good....
reports have shown that watching porn will increase ur happiness in u and also strengthen ur body!

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Originally posted by Magimaster http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/purity/index.asp This has got to be the biggest pile of shit ever. I have lost all respect for the president of the United States. I bet he wacked off like hell when he was younger.

HAHHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHA


Dude, it's a freaking joke website

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Originally posted by undertensecond porn is good.... reports have shown that watching porn will increase ur happiness in u and also strengthen ur body!

What's the use of having one arm stronger than the other?

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Originally posted by JohnSmith hmm.. very interesting and cogent point of view arbiter, I love your posts. In a way i agree with you, in a sense that repressing it can make it worse, as in the example of catholic priests and such.

The respect is mutual

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However, i think that in modern western society, we've erred on the side off too much exposure, and oversaturated the culture with sexuality. you can't turn on much music or walk down a magazine aisle without seeing reams of airbrushed flesh waved in your face. I believe that this is not neccesarily increasing the amount of depravity, but rather diminishing the sacrosanct nautre of sexuality. it coiuld be argued that keeping the population satisfied with porn makes it a better place by keeping hormones low, but i believe that it would be better to keep sex a very rare and personal thing. Take the resulting people that can't deal with the repression who would commite rapes and abuses and lock them up where they shoud be. It should be noted i don't think that people who look at "standard" porn (ie consenting adults) should be prosecuted, as they are not hurting anyone but themselves.

Well, too much of anything is bad, but I'm just not sure I agree that we have reached that point. I share your opinion that there a certain types of porn that ought to be regulated much more seriously, and some of those types might be a bit too easy to get one's hands on.

The reason there's so much sexuality in our culture is because there is such a high demand for sexuality in our society. The entertainment and advertising industries wouldn't be cranking it out like they are if it didn't prove itself to meeting demands most efficiently.

I think the main cause of our different opinions is the way we view sexuality. You have a fairly reverent view of sex, which is something I can understand and respect. But personally, I've reached a point in my life where sex isn't quite magical in that same sense anymore. To me, it's basically just something fun to do on a rainy tuesday afternoon, if you get my meaning.

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while i am a huge fan of logic, by this train, crack cocaine, murder, war, genetic modification, racism, genocide, etc are all natural. and, i suppose they are, i just hope you don't equate natural with right or good.

If all that was natural was good, there would be no evil.

Cheers,

Arbiter

yes, our difference does come from our differing points of view on sexuality.

if it is truly only a pleasure of the body like for example scratching an itch, then by all means scratch your itches. look at other people scrathing theirs, get itchy from it, and then scratch your own if you like. or get people to scratch, several different people across a few days time if you like, or even a few at once if your into that sort of thing

i hope you get my drift.

too me, sometimes sex is just scratching an itch, sometimes it is only for fun, sometimes it is out of neccesity, sometimes it is out of lust, sometimes boredom, drunkeness etc. and in those times, it really is just sex, just like scratching an itch 9although intensely more pleasurable though.

there are however, times when it is much more than that. A primal connecting of two people, mind body and soul linked together. These times are rare, but are the mosts powerful experiences i have ever had.

See for me, i am 23 years old, been with my girlfriend for 8 years, and we will be married next fall. We have taken sex beyond where most have. we've explored our bodies, learned each others likes and dislikes, studied the art of lovemaking, read books on tantra, decorated our room in a sensual way.

all this effort is worth it, the benefits are massive.

i'm about to go watch some porn...laterz

That's the spirit!

First off, the whitehouse.org thing is a parody. The real whitehouse is whitehouse.gov

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Originally posted by JohnSmith However, i think that in modern western society, we've erred on the side off too much exposure, and oversaturated the culture with sexuality. you can't turn on much music or walk down a magazine aisle without seeing reams of airbrushed flesh waved in your face.

Actually, here in the west (west being North America, mostly the US really), we are quite clean compaired to many many other parts of the world. In america, you can have people shooting each other, buildings blowing up, people dying, hand to hand fights, ect in a pg-13 movie. But you add one small nipple or something remotely sexual and its instantly R. Even a nonviolent or offensive movie that would normally get a G or PG rating that shows even a slight amount of artistic nudity gets R. In most everywhere else in the world, its the exact opposite (europe mostly, but also china/japan). There is a much more relaxed atmosphere on sex/pornography. And they have much less cases of rape, STDs and teen pregnancy than we do. You cant really argue with the numbers. America's view on nudity and sex is extremely draconian. I remember the middle school "Abstenence pledges" we were supposed to take. I dont ever think they took the time to tell us anything more than "just dont do it." Of course, this fell on deaf ears in a room filled with teenagers, where you could practically smell the hormones

Anyways, I dont like any of this "pornography rots the soul" shit. Im sure all you anti-porn, anti-sex, anti-humanity activists still enjoy a good action flick or shooter video game. The reason you dont go (well, i hope you dont ) shooting down everyone you see in the street after playing quake or watching the matrix is because you can differentiate between realtiy and fantasy.

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Anyways, I dont like any of this "pornography rots the soul" shit. Im sure all you anti-porn, anti-sex, anti-humanity activists still enjoy a good action flick or shooter video game. The reason you dont go (well, i hope you dont ) shooting down everyone you see in the street after playing quake or watching the matrix is because you can differentiate between realtiy and fantasy.

*RACOUS APPLAUSE*nicely said *RACOUS APPLAUSE*

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Originally posted by Durafei HAHHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHA Dude, it's a freaking joke website

wait. people thought it was real? :|

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Originally posted by Durafei Here is what George Bush thinks about mastrubation http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/purity/index.asp

I laff so hard...

luckily it is a joke

�2001-2002 - a chickenhead productions parody - disclaimer & terms

abstinant for life here!!!

Good luck,bitch.

Porn is porn, like it or not it exists, like drugs, violence, everything, just keep ur hands over ur ears shouting 'lalalalalala' if u dont like it

Don't see what's wrong with porn. If you say it's a disgrace for a woman to show her body, then you should ban models also. Or get more radical and forbid them to show their bodies at all. Some women like to show their bodies, and in my opinion there's nothing wrong with that as long as they are not forced into it. Those women probably don't think of sex as a sacred act, so it's not a problem for them to do that for public.

I agree with njrizer completeley. Sexuality is natural and can't be classified as "not good". Children should not be protected too much from it because that bounces back and usually leads to perversions and sick sexual ideas. Not to mention those children do something wrong when mastrubating, and therefore have a sense of guilt. A penis and a vagina are normal parts of human body and it's stupid to hide them and hold them offensive.

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What's the use of having one arm stronger than the other?

You should alternate your arms each time you do it. That way you'll have both arms strong!

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 You should alternate your arms each time you do it. That way you'll have both arms strong!

yeah, and sometimes when you do it with you left hand, it can feel like someone else! or, even better, lie on it for a while, and let your hand fall asleep, i call that one, "the stranger"
:P

I Just want to say that i have 10Gb Of DivX porn movies and over 10,000 Pictures Of lesbians , Am In Heaven ? Of course !!!

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Originally posted by nrjizer First off, the whitehouse.org thing is a parody. The real whitehouse is whitehouse.gov Actually, here in the west (west being North America, mostly the US really), we are quite clean compaired to many many other parts of the world. In america, you can have people shooting each other, buildings blowing up, people dying, hand to hand fights, ect in a pg-13 movie. But you add one small nipple or something remotely sexual and its instantly R. Even a nonviolent or offensive movie that would normally get a G or PG rating that shows even a slight amount of artistic nudity gets R. In most everywhere else in the world, its the exact opposite (europe mostly, but also china/japan). There is a much more relaxed atmosphere on sex/pornography. And they have much less cases of rape, STDs and teen pregnancy than we do. You cant really argue with the numbers. America's view on nudity and sex is extremely draconian. I remember the middle school "Abstenence pledges" we were supposed to take. I dont ever think they took the time to tell us anything more than "just dont do it." Of course, this fell on deaf ears in a room filled with teenagers, where you could practically smell the hormones Anyways, I dont like any of this "pornography rots the soul" shit. Im sure all you anti-porn, anti-sex, anti-humanity activists still enjoy a good action flick or shooter video game. The reason you dont go (well, i hope you dont ) shooting down everyone you see in the street after playing quake or watching the matrix is because you can differentiate between realtiy and fantasy.

TRUE TRUE! After reading the thread until your post I though "WTF is up with some US/CA guys posting in this thread who think pr0n/masturbation is bad" but you proof that there are still some intelligent ppl out in those lands

I think some ppl on Tranceaddict should learn to differentiate between pr0n and "sick pr0n" like golden showers, SM stuff,....

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Originally posted by JohnSmith yeah, and sometimes when you do it with you left hand, it can feel like someone else! or, even better, lie on it for a while, and let your hand fall asleep, i call that one, "the stranger" :P

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen What could be more natural then sex? Sex is a part of what humans are... Anyone that thinks porn or sex is bad is a confused individual.

thank you for such a good statement. I couldn't agree more!

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Originally posted by JohnSmith nah, nothing wrong with sex, sex is great! porn however, can cross the line between healthy sexuality and depravity. getting aroused by seeing some porn, and then coming home to your girlfriend with a hardon is not being true to yourself or her. likewise, masturbating to the image of some model that's degrading herself is not only giving you a false sense of reality (nobody is that perfect, not even the model, she's been airbrushed), but also ensuring that you won't be happy with anyone less than those "perfect" ideals. the world would be a better place without porn, imo.

My GF, though she is much less than perfect, turns me on. I don't need to look at porn to get a hard on, being with her does that for me.

Now, not all models are airbrushed all the time and, as you grow older, you will learn that looks aren't everything. While I have seen a good amount of porn and had masturbated more than often, I am still aware that women are more than looks. I want my GF to look nice, but that is NATURAL. By the looks of people, we judge how 'healthy' they are which we use in deciding whether having children with that person is a smart thing.

Anyhow, porn has not corrupted me. I think that one cannot 'judge' porn as a whole. It is a free-speech thing. You may not agree with people saying certain things, but it is good that they are able to do it.

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