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HHC



there's no definition per se


but talking about HHC, I was at a rave recently and a dj spun hhc and it wasn't mega cheesy and I actually loved it


kimmi came along and she was also thinking she might have to kill a kandi raver before the night was over , but cause the music was nice we didn't have to settle for destruction

Re: What makes a track "cheesy"?

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Originally posted by Sundevil what makes a track "cheesy".

depends on the person, terrible synthwork will always make me roll my eyes... Also, tracks with basslines that aren't deep or powerful enough annoy me.

i think if u listen to any song enough times it becomes cheese.

don't care whats cheese, i listen 2 it if i like it, if not, i don't listen 2 it

Cheesy can mean a lot of different things. To me it can be music that is made just to please radio listeners or music without any soul. That isn't to say that no effort was involved in making the track but if people can't sit back and say "damn that was a great track" or at least want to listen to it in 1 month or 1 year or even 10 years from now. A cheesy track is there one day and gone the next. They never really become classic tunes either, like who actually listens to Cotton Eyed Joe now? Everyone has guilty pleasures and although cheesy music is bad it's nice to let go and listen to it every once and a while but in 10 years from now no one will remember it or even care about it. Cheesy music is like the no name brand music, it's cheap, it might not be the greatest but every once and a while it doesn't kill you to go for lower grade.

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Originally posted by kirbtastic i think if u listen to any song enough times it becomes cheese.

YES!!! That is why sooo many tunes over time get classed as cheese! The longer a tune has been out, the more chance it has of being heard by ANYONE, and ANYONE could be a person who decides to buy it, and therefore has turned into cheese.

Bullshit


When everyone heard Southern Sun (Tiesto remix) for THE VERY FIRST TIME, a lot of peeps on this board thought it was a fantastic tune. Now, almost 6 months on, it has been out on general release, and made te top 40 (in the UK) and been voted #1 tune on ASOT 78. Many peeps have now classed it as cheese. It is very sad to see how vicious we can be with the classification of a tune after it has become succesful.

Examples of tunes that have been classed as cheese after lengthy exposure are Alice DJ - Better Off Alone. In my eyes, the Signum remix is a fantastic tune, and the original isn't even that bad. I bet that the very first time that any tranceaddict heard it they thought it was good. However, Alice DJ producers din't exactly help there cause by making a load of shit after that The same with Sandstorm. After repeared exposure it got a bit annoying, yes, but that was after hearing it left right and centre. For the first time it was heard, i thought it wa quite good, definately different from what was out at the time. However, after Darude realised that his 'sound' was quite catchy, he had raped it and caused himself to become commercial.

Success is most definately desirable. Success is linked to chart ratings. imagine when , say the new dumonde tune came out next week, and we all went out and bought it, thus propelling it to a top 5 posistion. Just because it got into the chart, does that mean it is cheese? Let me remind u of classic tunes that did well in charts. Adagio for Strings, Gouryella, Walhalla, Beautiful (1st generation realease), Out of the Blue, Cry, Gamemaster, and many others. They should NEVER be classed as cheese, just because they all got good chart posistions. Btw the tunes mentioned above all got into the Top 20!

cotton eye joe....omg what a song

*runs to kazaa to download!!!

HAHA

Matt

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Originally posted by kirbtastic i think if u listen to any song enough times it becomes cheese.

I think you can get sick of a song but cheese deserves a category of crap all it's own, and Southern Sun shouldn't be in it.

First off, cheese just means commercial IE is appealing to a wide range of people

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Originally posted by Dumonde Trancer majorly over hyped synths: a good example is in the logical long, although it is pure cheese, the DERRR DERRRR DERRR type synth is a good example, a "pop" listeners "uplifting trance" as it were, but just tacky. sng have been guilty of using these now and then which contributes to ppl calling them cheese, as i see it.

Don't entirely agree, cause for example Gouryella - Gouryella , Airscape - L'esperanza and Dumonde - God Music also have highlighted synths, what makes the logical song's and others' riffs commercial is that their riffs sound like someone is singing them, they function as vocals (Which we can agree are a serious boost to a track's commercial value )

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Originally posted by oDrori First off, cheese just means commercial IE is appealing to a wide range of people

when delerium did silience, it appealed to a wide range of people, i didnt know anyone who didn t likle that song...i dont consider it cheese...its still a beautiful song...but then again maybe i might be cheese

I find cheesy music to be happy music. Makes you feel happy and good about everything around you, maybe thats why people listen to it and why producers make it that way. Uplifting trance is happy music too only higher grade then cheese. Gouryella makes some quality trance but its uplifting and not cheese. It's like cheese only with more effort

And I find that cheese appeals to a large audience but so can trance or other forms of music and still be good. Theres a difference between making music just to please people and making music for peoples enjoyment that you pour ur heart and soul into

i define cheese as [but i like cheese ]
simple melody
not many layers of music, e.g like with hip hop [beat, bass, sound fx, rapping]
vocals - just cannot stand them, crap like lasgo and ian van dahl etc - dubs and unvocals i can live with
the 'monotone' sound like with flip n fill - take my breath away, u will see the difference compared with some of dumonde's stuff
mixed elements, e.g like with a trance track u have elements of everything like some breakbeat/dnb and the occasional rap etc

thats my verdict...
*gets flame-proof coat ready*

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Originally posted by kirbtastic when delerium did silience, it appealed to a wide range of people, i didnt know anyone who didn t likle that song...i dont consider it cheese...its still a beautiful song...but then again maybe i might be cheese

Not cheese, COMMERCIAL . C-O-M-M-E-R-C-I-A-L.

Saying cheese just sound more degrading so no one says that about the almighty Silence (Tieso remix) but the fact is it got commercialised and playing it today on a party will lure your avrage spice girl and lasgo fan to the floor.

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Originally posted by Ferrari_7 everyone who thinks that Lange-Drifting Away is cheese needs to have his/her ears examined! "Cheese" is not objective, i even saw someone in the forums claiming flight 643 was cheese ffs!what about peran van dijk-good time? do u think it's cheese?i loved it first time i heard it!peace.

I have this song burned on a cd, I consider it cheese. I always think cheese when I hear this song, it's like SUPER ANTHEM.

wow, trance n dance thinks all uplifting trance is cheese

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Originally posted by mndeg wow, trance n dance thinks all uplifting trance is cheese

I think cheese is uplifting trance made by retarded people

what would normaly make a tune cheesy would be the beat or the sound affects used in the tunes for example try listen to
''Dj aligator - The whistle song'' if u dare and listen to that pile of cheese it will scare you to death

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Originally posted by trance_n_dance I find cheesy music to be happy music. Makes you feel happy and good about everything around you, maybe thats why people listen to it and why producers make it that way.

I just don't get this at all. Why would you listen to music that doesn't make you happy? Doesn't that kind of defest the purpose? I sure don't turn on some tunes so that I can feel shitty...

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Originally posted by Sundevil I just don't get this at all. Why would you listen to music that doesn't make you happy? Doesn't that kind of defest the purpose? I sure don't turn on some tunes so that I can feel shitty...

I doubt that Marco V or Mauro Picotto makes you want to hug people or think about fuzzy bunny rabbits just like Marilyn Mansons music wouldn't.

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Originally posted by PointyDC Like the others have said, people have different ideas of 'cheesy'...to me, cheesy is a track which is extremely predictable, has few layers and just overall has that sound to it that makes me cringe - especially soppy vocals

cheese, IMHO, is very bad vocals where sometimes you can predict the next word. cheese is a tune which makes me feel stupid, instead of throwing my hands up in the air. a cheesy tune makes me wanna cry, cringe, shrug, and cover my ears. sometimes a cheesy tune will have an overly long and emotionally stupid breakdown. sorta like jappop.

a combination of one or all of those will make me stay away from track. now, COMMERCIAL music is something different.

Re: What makes a track "cheesy"?

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Originally posted by Sundevil Some of my fav tracks ATM that I am wondering about : Lustral - Broken (Way out West Mix) Aurora - Ordinary World (Above and Beyond Mix) Lange f Skye - Drifting Away Would these be "cheesy"? I'd really appreciate if someone could help me get a better understanding of this idea. I tend to listen to what I like, I don't really care whether it's cheesy or not...

First off, Lustral and Lange = not cheesy (I dunno about the original mix of Drifting Away though, as the Sunset Dub and World Clique mixes were pretty tight.)

Secondly, don't worry about what others think are cheesy. Worry about what YOU like.

Thirdly, anything with a "Rave Organ Lead" is getting QUITE tired and formulaic, and one of the biggest proponents of that sound declared it dead recently. If you don't know what I'm talking about, refer to the breakdowns in Silverbath, Lost In A Dream [Push Trancendental Mix], Summer Calling [Airwave Club Mix], Sunspot [DCML Remix]. These are arguably the BEST examples of a tired sound...

Anything outside that is pretty subjective...

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Originally posted by DJMaytag Thirdly, anything with a "Rave Organ Lead" is getting QUITE tired and formulaic, and one of the biggest proponents of that sound declared it dead recently. If you don't know what I'm talking about, refer to the breakdowns in Silverbath, Lost In A Dream [Push Trancendental Mix], Summer Calling [Airwave Club Mix], Sunspot [DCML Remix]. These are arguably the BEST examples of a tired sound...

So basically any anthemic trance production by L-Vee or M.I.K.E.? You might find those who'd disagree...

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Originally posted by starglider So basically any anthemic trance production by L-Vee or M.I.K.E.? You might find those who'd disagree...

In a nutshell, yes. You'd be surprised to know that one the two you mentioned recently declared said sound to be "dead". I'd agree.

i like cheese...it makes girls shake thir boooooties.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm shakin booties!!

Re: Re: Re: What makes a track "cheesy"?

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Originally posted by starglider So basically any anthemic trance production by L-Vee or M.I.K.E.? You might find those who'd disagree...

Now take a track like Cape Town's Pitstop, and you're talking about a whle 'nother story (it's an amazing NON-CHEESY L-Vee production.)

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