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Posted by tiesto14 on Jan-02-2003 00:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
Proove that these didnt happen...Tiesto14.. stop living in you patriotic bubble and open your fucking

i am not going to proove anything....i am not the one who posted it....if i was to post soemthing i would submit a link or something....

When u wite a book u have to show where u get your sources from....or it wont be publised...so show the proof...i challenge u....and not proof from .com sites...from credible sources...proove it ALL...

Posted by PeacefulWarrior on Jan-02-2003 00:29:

www.zmag.org

Rogue States: The Rule of Force in World Affairs - Chomsky

Posted by Cyrus King on Jan-02-2003 00:30:

quote:
Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior
www.zmag.org

Rogue States: The Rule of Force in World Affairs - Chomsky

Very well put Peaceful Warrior. Tiesto14.. try reading from this magazine.... it will teach you things that have not been extensively mediated in the US mainstream

Posted by tiesto14 on Jan-02-2003 00:31:

quote:
Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior
www.zmag.org

Rogue States: The Rule of Force in World Affairs - Chomsky

wha do u expect be to read Chomsky and FIND the answer?...i dont think so.....i bet u think there are space ships in Area 51...dont u...LOL

Posted by Cyrus King on Jan-02-2003 00:33:

quote:
Originally posted by tiesto14
wha do u expect be to read Chomsky and FIND the answer?...i dont think so.....i bet u think there are space ships in Area 51...dont u...LOL

Chomsky obviously is much more intelligent than you are.... treat yourslef... its worth it... you sure dont seem to be the enlightened one.

And why do you have to conclude by insulting and patronizing?

I beleive there are intelligent beings out there...but thats my opinion....you can shoose to be ingorant...becuase it is bliss.

Posted by tiesto14 on Jan-02-2003 00:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
Very well put Peaceful Warrior. Tiesto14.. try reading from this magazine.... it will teach you things that have not been extensively mediated in the US mainstream

nah to be honest i dont give a fuck..LOL...i have enough things to do in life then to start hating.........besides i went to that site...seemed like a cult....freaky......

Posted by Cyrus King on Jan-02-2003 00:36:

quote:
Originally posted by tiesto14
nah to be honest i dont give a fuck..LOL...i have enough things to do in life then to start hating.........besides i went to that site...seemed like a cult....freaky......

Then if you see it as a cult... then continue watching CNN like MANY Americans do.

Posted by tiesto14 on Jan-02-2003 00:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
Then if you see it as a cult... then continue watching CNN like MANY Americans do.

nah i dont watch CNN...and stop making judgements on me...

Posted by gOOD-tRiP on Jan-02-2003 00:54:

quote:
Originally posted by tiesto14
...and stop making judgements on me...

2002 TA idiot of the year. jk

but seriously what is up with you. Are you a CIA trying to change everyones view on America on this site? I mean c'mon im American also and do not agree with everything the US is doing. WAKE UP AND TRY TO SEE IT IN EVERY POINT OF VIEW and not just go with the BS propaganda this country has.

Posted by Trance Plant on Jan-02-2003 01:31:

quote:
Originally posted by tiesto14
if i was to post soemthing i would submit a link or something....

so show the proof...i challenge u....and not proof from .com sites...from credible sources...proove it ALL...

Tiesto 14..you just finished mentioning you would post a link to prove a point, but then you want proof from someone else; however no dot com sites?? wtf?

Posted by TuanAnh213 on Jan-02-2003 01:37:

Tiesto14 in no way or shape represents what the majority of the american people including myself and many others on this forum are like with his mindless ignorant posts...he's just a bit too caught up with patriotism without understanding that by far NOT everything America has done is right and people in these forums who are NOT american disagree with some of the US policies that have the fucking right to discuss it with other members of this forum. this guy has to take his overpatriotic head out of his ass.

Posted by .montecarlo. on Jan-02-2003 01:37:

quote:
Originally posted by tiesto14
ya but u guys just go in circles with ZERO progress...and its all basically the same arguements from the Chill Out Room...until u guys got your own room.....only thing that has changed is your post count...

seems kinda mindless....but hey enjoy...

oh the irony...

Posted by Izzy on Jan-02-2003 01:46:

jeez guys settle down, this is exactly what i didnt want to see happen in this forum...

please both sides should really think about the lines they through out and try not to seem so fanatical or radical

tiesto14, you have to understand that there are people out there with opinions of there own, no matter how far fetched and conspirational they may be. some people here, insane as they may be, actually enjoy "going in circles" as you put it and debate issues. i can tell you havent been reading these forums much because there has been a wealth of information from both sides of arguements that has been shared here.

now about the subject of you first post, yes even i occasionaly feel that sometimes people forget to look at the bigger picture of the USA and the foundations it is built upon (read; decliration of independence and the constitution). i feel, sometimes, people demonize the USA for something it is not, even sometimes equating it to an inhumane regime bent on killing civilians for pleasure and trying to rule the world.
however despite all that, i understand and even sometimes agree with a lot of the gripe that the world holds against the US.... anyways i lost my train of though, dont remember where i was going with this...

Posted by intrinsic on Jan-02-2003 02:22:

quote:
Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior
Free societies do not intimidate through cruelty and conquest.

The US has bombed civilians indiscriminately (Vietnam, Iraq, Serbia, Afghanistan);

attempted to assassinate heads of government (Congo, Cuba, Libya, Iran);

subverted democratic elections (Greece, Guatemala, Chile);

blockaded civilian supplies of food and medicine (Nicaragua, Iraq, Cuba);

supported policies of rape, torture and mass killing (Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvador);

and backed regimes responsible for some of the world�s worst human rights violations (Indonesia, Zaire, Iran, South Korea, Israel, Philippines).

hrm if im not mistaken, everything you have listed here can also apply to many countries..... who hasnt killed innocent people in war? who hasnt attempted assasinations? who hasnt attempted to subvert elections? who else supports/doesn't do anything about the countries with policies of rape, torture, mass killings, and human rights violations?

Posted by Cyrus King on Jan-02-2003 02:43:

quote:
Originally posted by intrinsic
hrm if im not mistaken, everything you have listed here can also apply to many countries..... who hasnt killed innocent people in war? who hasnt attempted assasinations? who hasnt attempted to subvert elections? who else supports/doesn't do anything about the countries with policies of rape, torture, mass killings, and human rights violations?

Not the extent that the US has done. When was the last time Vietnam attacked Guatemala?...the US has reaked havoc on alot of places.

Posted by intrinsic on Jan-02-2003 03:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
Not the extent that the US has done. When was the last time Vietnam attacked Guatemala?...the US has reaked havoc on alot of places.

my point is that its all wrong because they are still doing the same, no matter the extent.... but my question to you is what would you had done about Vietnam in the U.S.'s position? Apply the same question to Guatemala. These countries could have led to a chain of events that potentially could have reaked havoc on the U.S. (and its allies) if they had done nothing.

Posted by tiesto14 on Jan-02-2003 03:43:

quote:
Originally posted by intrinsic
hrm if im not mistaken, everything you have listed here can also apply to many countries..... who hasnt killed innocent people in war? who hasnt attempted assasinations? who hasnt attempted to subvert elections? who else supports/doesn't do anything about the countries with policies of rape, torture, mass killings, and human rights violations?

AMEN.....

it is just chic to rag on the U.S........why?..i dont know....and otn really care....but i assure u that alot of it stems from jealousy

Posted by tiesto14 on Jan-02-2003 03:46:

quote:
Originally posted by TuanAnh213
Tiesto14 in no way or shape represents what the majority of the american people including myself and many others on this forum are like with his mindless ignorant posts...he's just a bit too caught up with patriotism without understanding that by far NOT everything America has done is right and people in these forums who are NOT american disagree with some of the US policies that have the fucking right to discuss it with other members of this forum. this guy has to take his overpatriotic head out of his ass.

please show me what part i said that was IGNORANT?

and how do u know what the MAORITY of Americans think or feel? Did you take a poll or a census?....

You on one hand call "ME" "ignorant" yet on the other hand - end your statement with "take his overpatriotic head out of his ass"....hhhhmmm can you be more hypocritical?

Posted by malek on Jan-02-2003 03:50:

guys don't waste your precious time arguing with tiesto14... whatever you say he'll bash you. he's been banned from some parts of the forums because of his attitudes... i thought not discussing anything with politics was part of the deal for your come back.

Posted by Cyrus King on Jan-02-2003 04:41:

quote:
Originally posted by intrinsic
my point is that its all wrong because they are still doing the same, no matter the extent.... but my question to you is what would you had done about Vietnam in the U.S.'s position? Apply the same question to Guatemala. These countries could have led to a chain of events that potentially could have reaked havoc on the U.S. (and its allies) if they had done nothing.

They should mind their fucking business. But they dont.. and millions of lives have been lost due to the bludgeoning hand of the US.

Posted by tiesto14 on Jan-02-2003 04:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
They should mind their fucking business. But they dont.. and millions of lives have been lost due to the bludgeoning hand of the US.

actually i think more U.S. soldiers here killed in Vietnam then Vietnamese...i read that somewhere...i could be wrong though....dunno...

Posted by Izzy on Jan-02-2003 04:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
and millions of lives have been lost due to the bludgeoning hand of the US.

and millions of lives have been saved due to the bludgeoning hand of the US.

please, these are the comments that get me irritated ... it shows narrow mindedness to me.

Posted by Cyrus King on Jan-02-2003 04:47:

quote:
Originally posted by tiesto14
actually i think more U.S. soldiers here killed in Vietnam then Vietnamese...i read that somewhere...i could be wrong though....dunno...

I dont think so

There were neipalm attacks in villiages that wiped out whole populations....and lets not forget the senseless murder and raping of these people too.

Posted by Cyrus King on Jan-02-2003 04:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Izzy
and millions of lives have been saved due to the bludgeoning hand of the US.

please, these are the comments that get me irritated ... it shows narrow mindedness to me.

That is an excuse for attacking that i have seen executed by the US many times. "Lets kill millions of people, becuase that will save millions of others.....OK!! Lets do it!"

Posted by tiesto14 on Jan-02-2003 04:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
That is an excuse for attacking that i have seen executed by the US many times. "Lets kill millions of people, becuase that will save millions of others.....OK!! Lets do it!"

thats how the world has ALWAYS been....u can not gain unless sacrifices are made...sad that it sometimes has to be lives...

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