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putain de merde je comprends plus rien a ces fous. un certain TA envoi en enfer tous les arabes et les musulmans avec des propos inacceptable ici tant qu'ailleurs et tous ces reply ne font que divertir l'attention sur le sujet principal qu'est le racisme!!!

pas un parmi ces encul�s n'as d�nonc� les remarques les jugeant inacceptables ou quoi que ce soit, et ca n'as rien a voir avec la politique.

Est-on rendu � un point tel d'ignorance et d'egocentrisme dans ce pays que si �a nous affecte pas directement et bien tant pis? Je crois bien que oui et c'est dommage.

�a fait peur

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Originally posted by ahlamalek putain de merde je comprends plus rien a ces fous. un certain TA envoi en enfer tous les arabes et les musulmans avec des propos inacceptable ici tant qu'ailleurs et tous ces reply ne font que divertir l'attention sur le sujet principal qu'est le racisme!!! pas un parmi ces encul�s n'as d�nonc� les remarques les jugeant inacceptables ou quoi que ce soit, et ca n'as rien a voir avec la politique. Est-on rendu � un point tel d'ignorance et d'egocentrisme dans ce pays que si �a nous affecte pas directement et bien tant pis? Je crois bien que oui et c'est dommage. �a fait peur

can u write this in english please??I dont speak french

i don't speak French either .. but i get the feeling that if whatever he wrote was translated into English , it might cause further flamming..

here's my bit on the whole issue:

yes it's sad that guy had to say all that stuff.. but what's SADDER is how what he has said has caused people within TA to start flamming and hating each other just because of the stance that each person has on the whole issue. i'm not trying to take sides here , but i think everyone should just stop and look at what's happened here..

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Originally posted by ahlamalek putain de merde je comprends plus rien a ces fous. un certain TA envoi en enfer tous les arabes et les musulmans avec des propos inacceptable ici tant qu'ailleurs et tous ces reply ne font que divertir l'attention sur le sujet principal qu'est le racisme!!! pas un parmi ces encul�s n'as d�nonc� les remarques les jugeant inacceptables ou quoi que ce soit, et ca n'as rien a voir avec la politique. Est-on rendu � un point tel d'ignorance et d'egocentrisme dans ce pays que si �a nous affecte pas directement et bien tant pis? Je crois bien que oui et c'est dommage. �a fait peur

I'm back due to a whole bunch [10+] PMs, which I guess would be considered popular demand... Look out!!

You must feel very inteligent posting in an english forum in frech [considering you've already proved you speak english perfectly].. I'm not sure if you reasons, but it can only be to further otrasize yourself.

Here is the english translation (thanks to systran - it may not be perfect):

whore of shit!! I understand more [than] anything these insane [comments]. A certain TA [is] sending in hell [to] all Arabic and the Moslems with unacceptable remarks here as long as elsewhere and all these reply do nothing but divert the attention on the principal subject which is racism!!!

One among these, not fucked up the ass, did not denounce the remarks.
Them considering anything unacceptable, and it does not have anything to do with politics.

Is one returned at a point such of ignorance and egocentrism in this
country that if that does not affect to us directly and well so much
worse? I believe well that yes and it is a pity.

that made fear...

----end translation [exuse the errors, I'm not a french major, nor is systran always accurate].

Fear and insults will not keep me away from TA. My TA friends are way more valuable than any insults thrown at me.

If a man slap you on the face, turn cheek and let him slap you on the other.... - Sound familiar? Maybe not...

This topic is interesting, just take it out of the Toronto forums - I'm sure there is enough support for it to be moved - I for one have already emailed the mods.

TA - I am BACK!!!! (straight out of a horror movie)

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Originally posted by Cyrus King if you dont want to read it...LEAVE THE THREAD IF IT BOTHERS YOU THAT MUCH.

Funny how this was the same explanation given to Germans in 1938 regarding the anti-semitism...... If you don't like the Nazi party views, leave Germany, which my great-grandparents did, amongst many others!

I wouldn't agree with that excuse now, or then... Move it to the proper forum, stop the hate, insults... That's all we're asking.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Ask the mods to move it.

It's already been done, by a number of people, and I'm sure more will do it....

hahaha man that was a funny translation.

english is my third language and some things i just cannot put into words proprely in english.

what i wrote is that that thread was about racism which is something not really politic. no one discuss the subject but only hoarse around and talk about anything but the subject. then people say they don't care and don't want to see it there because they have their own motive, still rare the ones who really condemned those remarks.

anyways man, like desidel said it is very sad to have come to this point where people just flammed each other instead as sticking together.

*ignoring the forums for a week*

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Originally posted by ahlamalek hahaha man that was a funny translation. english is my third language and some things i just cannot put into words proprely in english. what i wrote is that that thread was about racism which is something not really politic. no one discuss the subject but only hoarse around and talk about anything but the subject. then people say they don't care and don't want to see it there because they have their own motive, still rare the ones who really condemned those remarks. anyways man, like desidel said it is very sad to have come to this point where people just flammed each other instead as sticking together. *ignoring the forums for a week*

Dude, we all just have to agree to a few things:

1) Racism and improper judgement (of any kind) is wrong and should not be tollerated

2) This forum is for people who love the same thing [trance] and want to embrace each other in the joy of trance

3) We all want to be happy, meet and share amazing expiriences that trance brings us

4) The TO forum is specifically for that - discuss TO trance activities, ect.. Other forums are for selling vinyl and discussing politics

5) Violence, hatred and insults are wrong... Lets love, not fight.... Trance has brought us this close, lets not harsh words move us apart

The TO TA people are one of the most close-knit groups I've ever met - lets keep it that way.

If PLUR means anything, let it mean it's most now... Lets end this thread, move it to politics and everybody give each other a big HUG when we meet next...

I don't like being branded something I'm not - it hurts, but after a few hours of thinking, it would hurt more to not have my TA friends..

To make a point ot this thread,

Living in a free country brings many responsiblities, one of them is respecting other peoples opinions because anyone can give them.

It's one thing to debate something, it's another, when the banter just devolves to childlike name calling on the playground.

When a mans/womens intellectual peak on a conversation has been reached, they eithier A) Start to name call, in an attempt make themselves feal better.
B) Just leave.

Sadly enough, we have only seen the first option, it's better to educate Malik Mike then to sink to the same level, which has been done here.

You can always tell a person is blinded by there hatred if they will not see the other persons point of view they are arguing with.

I applaud Rabbitjoker for his previous post, that is truely what I mean when I say you can only fight Darkness with Light. You fight fire with fire, and you share the same fate.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker If PLUR means anything, let it mean it's most now... Lets end this thread, move it to politics and everybody give each other a big HUG when we meet next...

You gotta Love this guy

Re: Re: Melek Mike must make a formal Appology.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker YAWN!!! Enough of this already... Take it to the political forum.. Many [in the Toronto forum] are bored of this ranting and raving by both sides. Display some executive maturity and understand where this type of discussion should be - becuase the TO forum is not it [not the discussion isn't valid - it is - just not here]. Toronto forum is about love and getting together for a good time (and forgetting about our differences, even if for just one party].

Oh piss off, Iam trying to tell the guy to make an apology. Not state political ideas. Maybe you don't care about his comments, but some of us do. Plz don't reply to this thread if you aren't going to say anthing positive. Man, whats your problem?

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Originally posted by The Highroller you're right. he better not have been talking to you. RJ is one of the kindest accomidating, and friendly people i have ever met. this guy barely knows me and he s vouched for me at clubs, driven me home, and done several other favours for me. he is a very nice person to be around. dont ever compare him to someone as racist as melech_mike. he is right. even though it is a valid debate i dont want to read it so take it some where else. i do not appreciate your comments toward RJ. and if you werent talking to him then disregard this post

THIS IS NOT A DAMN DEBATE, THIS THREAD IS TO BRING ATTENTION TO MELEK MIKE AND FORCE HIM TO APOLOGIZE. GUYS, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ENGLISH?READ WHAT I POSTED. THERE IS NO DEBATE ON THIS THREAD. ONLY TO VOICE CONCERN OVER MELEK MIKE AND HIS COMMENTS. COME ON GUYS, THIS IS REALLY RIDICULOUS.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Would you guys kindly take this to the POLITICAL FORUM. It's where this belongs...and why it was created. I'm tried of seeing these threads in here myself...

Again, this is not a political thread. Iam not going to type this again. Its only to bring to attention to the TA members that they need to voice concern over Melek Mike. It has nothing to do with oponions and thats finals. And this thread is staying where it is. Its not a political one.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r And on that thought, then what would be the point of having different forums then? I guess there should only be one choice then huh? Voicing opinions is fine and blah blah [insert free country retoric here] but when the number of posts goes against the purpose of the forum their in... Besides, I'm sure more than 1/2 of the TAs here couldn't either care less about reading useless banter and quibble. I'm not saying world events aren't important, but if I wanted to be bombed with heavy duty politics, I'll go watch the news, read the paper, watch a movie, etc., etc. There's enough negative vibes during the day, we really don't want to come home and see a post at my favorite escapism website. After a while, it all begins to melt into one amorphous jumble of words and disdain with lots of questions and few real answers. And in my opinion, the political forum fits the bill perfectly...

The only reason my thread is being taken the wrong way is because of people like you. You never bothered to read what I originally posted.Dude, people were discrimnated against. But I guess that doesnt matter to you since you weren't the one. If you have half a brain, you will re-read what I posted. and what the hell made people think this is a political thread?Its just to raise awareness.

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Originally posted by Ckerr812 It's lamers like The Demon and cyprus king that has made this forum take a downward spiral into lameness. I suggest you two get a girl friend, get out once and awhile, and get a life, so you don't take out your issues on a tranceaddict webboard. You two don't even contribute to anything, I have never seen you at any TA parties, and the only posts I have seen is you bitching or flaming about something. So, what exactly are you doing here, I suggest you two change your attitude, or leave. That simple. I know alot of others feal the same way, they just don't want to start up trouble. I been on this board over 3 years now, and have never seen such shit disturbers....I looked at your prior posts, and I don't think you even listen to trance music,,,are you here from another website maybe to make this board into arguments so nobody comes here? I am starting to think so.

I suggest you be more carefull about what you type. Its because of you that the original thread with MelekMike's comments went way off track. You really like to post idiotic comments and send people into frenzy without half of thought or respect. Dude, the guy voiced and opponion based on your people that was completely and utterly false. Doesn't that mean anything to you?Guess not, or else you would have shown the proper respect from the start.

ok honestly, i never heard of this malech mike until the thread with his comments were put up .

why do u people even give in to such creatures?? just ignore his sorry ass cos hes obviously keeping his heartbeat cosntant by thriving on all the anger hes causing

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker I hope you're not speaking of me - if so I am _very_ hurt by this... If this is what being a TA is all about, then I don't want to be a part of TA. I've met so many wonderful people from TA, all who are loving, friendly, and respectful - and that is what has given me my love for TA - but I don't need this abuse..... Anybody who has been to a party with me would agree that I'm one of the most agreeable, most accepting person around. TAs - unless something seriously changes about the attitude towards fellow humans on here - I'm out... I'll still read, but I won't be posting for a while. Highroller, Tatgirl, Time2Burn, Hardcore Miss, Motion, Armada, Elmo and everybody else - you're great, I love you - regards and all the best... This is what hatred and close-mindedness does... Goodbye...

Mele Mike's comments were political ones. My thread is just stating that they were unacceptable. Iam sure you're a nice guy. so do the right thing and support this thread. If not, you don't have to reply to it dude.Iam just really really troubled by what Melek Mike said.

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee ok honestly, i never heard of this malech mike until the thread with his comments were put up . why do u people even give in to such creatures?? just ignore his sorry ass cos hes obviously keeping his heartbeat cosntant by thriving on all the anger hes causing

But that's not going to stop him from making racist comments.

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Originally posted by TheDemon But that's not going to stop him from making racist comments.

think about it..ur just adding fuel to the fire....

ignoring him (in the fire context) is like cutting out the oxygen

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Originally posted by Dj-HordasH GO OUT AND GET FUCKING LAID, WANKERS HERE WANKERS THERE, GET SOME FUCKING FRIENDS AND DROP THE USELESS BALDERDASH SOMEHERE ELSE FOR FUXS SAKES

DUHHH!WHAT THINKING LEVEL YOU THINK ON BUDDY. CAUSE IT DON'T FIT YOUR AGE. DUDE, THAT HAS TO BE ONE OF THE STUPIDEST COMMENTS I HAVE EVER SEEN. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD. BUT I GUESS ON YOUR THINKING LEVEL ITS NOT NOTICABLE.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Why are you guys getting so angry.. were only discussing politics within this one and only thread which was made today... i think you guys have to relax a bit...if you dont want to read it...LEAVE THE THREAD IF IT BOTHERS YOU THAT MUCH. Or Ask the mods to move it.

THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL THREAD DUDE!IT'S TO RAISE AWARENESS. GOD SWAMPER. JUST REPLY PLZ.THATS ALL IAM ASKING.

Well I'll stop my silence and give you my support Demon. Hate is not tolerated in an fecet of our world.

However I too have never heard of him before this post. He obviously doesn't come to his own city's forum. So in the end this thread caused even more grief.

It should be closed and mister "mighty" mike should apologize or be banned.

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Originally posted by Time2Burn Well I'll stop my silence and give you my support Demon. Hate is not tolerated in an fecet of our world. However I too have never heard of him before this post. He obviously doesn't come to his own city's forum. So in the end this thread caused even more grief. It should be closed and mister "mighty" mike should apologize or be banned.

see this was originally not posted in the TO forums, so action shouldve been taken by the mods a long time ago with the initial post....now we have people like Demon all worked up about it..for wat??

the mods are obviously not moderating the required...

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Originally posted by Time2Burn Well I'll stop my silence and give you my support Demon. Hate is not tolerated in an fecet of our world. However I too have never heard of him before this post. He obviously doesn't come to his own city's forum. So in the end this thread caused even more grief. It should be closed and mister "mighty" mike should apologize or be banned.

FINALLY! THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEANT BY THIS THREAD. IT HAS NOT POLITICAL VALUE. ONLY TO RAISE AWARENESS. ITS A SHAME SOME TA MEMBERS HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD ITS PURPOSE.

Well you're welcome. But I honestly didn't see anyone disagree with you that what he said was wrong. There is nothing wrong with healthy political debate. I love to do it but purposely stay out of it on TA. Its a powder keg where people get all worked up and take things personally.

If people could learn toleration and acceptance maybe others would value itelligent constructive debate. Demon you yourself are guilty for riling ppl up in this thread. Again nothing wrong with that "per-se" but we must all understand the limitations of expressing opinion on the internet.

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Originally posted by Time2Burn Well you're welcome. But I honestly didn't see anyone disagree with you that what he said was wrong. There is nothing wrong with healthy political debate. I love to do it but purposely stay out of it on TA. Its a powder keg where people get all worked up and take things personally. If people could learn toleration and acceptance maybe others would value itelligent constructive debate. Demon you yourself are guilty for riling ppl up in this thread. Again nothing wrong with that "per-se" but we must all understand the limitations of expressing opinion on the internet.

I think I made the mistake of puting the words political in my original scentence hence the reason why people misunderstood it.Yes political debates are good because of people having the ability to post their oponions. If I gave the wrong impression to anyone sorry. That wasn't my impression. But I do have to disagree with you bud, sorry, but I am not stating a political thread. Only to raise awareness. I apoligize if people misunderstood it.

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