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Originally posted by Dj_Mario I do! her name is InAcoma!

gotto love ambiguity

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Originally posted by Dj_Mario I do! her name is InAcoma!

oh bedrock ur so funny,
when i grow up, i wanna be like u

neways bak 2 the topic
i have no beef with pvd
i think he has paved the way for up and coming dj's, which is always a major thing to achieve
everyone has their days, he will be back stronger and better in 2003

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psy trance? i would hardly call that boring...

I hope not! Psy rules! nearly as much as goa. Does any body else know PVD's remixs of Romanthony's nightvision, Never F#ck they are not remix in a can by an means. the late night mix is a great house track that goes into breaks half way through! I have a few of his tunes littered around my room and i like all of them.

forgot to tell any of you TAs about my christmas present from my housemate....
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Art of Trance, Madagascar (ferry corsten and transa remixs) on platipus and Art of trance, Breath. .... mmmm

haha nice one bedrock.

1. Paul van Dyk - Another Way (Club Mix)
2. Blackeight - The Silence (Original Dub)
3. Sasha - Wavy Gravy (Paul van Dyk Rework)
4. Solid Sleep - Club Attack (Paul van Dyk Mix)
5. Marco V - I Feel You (Paul van Dyk Mix)
6. Umek - Gatek (Oliver Lieb Remix)
7. Paul van Dyk - Unknown
8. Dark Monks - Insane (Steve Murano Remix)
9. John Askew - New Dimension
10. Humate - Love Stimulation (Paul van Dyk Mix)
11. Noemi - Y.O.U. (Mezziah Mix Paul van Dyk Re-Edit)
12. Flutlicht - The Fall (Deep Fall Mix)

This PVD track list is exactly that, most of it is his own stuff. He should save that for the paul plays paul and vandit nights. This set is full of his remixes in a can as theyve been cleverly dubbed here. Sasha - Wavy Gravy (Paul van Dyk Rework) He added a 4/4 beat, so it would be easier for him to mix. If he released that then good, easier for everyone else to mix, but as it is these are never released and serve only to make his job as dj easier. 4 Tracks that arnt his own. I reckon thats pretty dodgy.

But thats just me.

i think he does his re-edits/worx to make the traxx fit into his sets, and with some he just gets rid of the annoyin parts in a song, like with that synth in YOU (Mezziah remix) [not really annoying, but it sorta changes the trak], and with the silence he gets rid of the vocal during that awesome piano riff, makin it sound even beta imo, with wavy gravy & guide me god, they're sorta like AvB - sunburn, they aren't really omfg i die hrhrhr haxxor traxx, they're just good to play in a live set cause they sorta maintain the energy, if ya get what im sayin

my point is:
PvD doesn't need to change traxx to mix them, he's PvD ffs, he does it to make em sound beta

Gravy with a 4/4 doesnt sound better. In my opinion it doesnt fit in to sets either. I mean its a really chill track, now with a 4/4. That doesnt make it fit any better into the middle of a pumping set. Especially when club attack is the next track.

I just really disagree with his reworks.

i like the original more too

but it's got that uber long buil-dup that just wouldn't fit into his set, and agreed club attack wasn't the best song to play after,but in the Vandit Studio Set it sounds good

I think he's a great DJ, he certainly knows how to get a crowd pumping
true about his re-works though.. pretty poor for a producer of his status

I see there's been bad talks about pvd around here


Well one reason why I personnaly like him is that he holds the distance .... not many other djs out there are like that

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Originally posted by DynaFire Art of Trance, Madagascar (ferry corsten and transa remixs) on platipus and Art of trance, Breath. .... mmmm

Tuneageeeeeeeeeee mother******s

Push mix > Ferry Mix

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Originally posted by escee Push mix > Ferry Mix

pffft
sif

Come again?

Whats the basis for the argument against Paul van Dyk?

Under the criteria of:

Track Selection
Production
Mixing
Versatility
Overall Dj Performance

Paul van Dyk comes out trumps.

If your talking about track selection than obviously your clearly misinformed - unlike other Djs Paul van Dyk has never labeled himself a "trance" Dj moreover a Dj whos talent has lead him on various technological soundscapes map making the art of breakt beat, tech and progressive into that of his well know trance to which has risen him tp superstar status - name me a Dj who can culminate 4-5 different genres of electronic music, mix on average absolutely flawless and keep consistent and read the crowd.

Moreover amongst all that - Paul van Dyk sets are fresh; rather a Tiesto-esque journey of 6-8 month old tracks; his sets are filled with tracks that invariably lead the listeners scrabling for:

a) the track ID
b) the unreleased track on vinyl from Vandit recordings

Which leads me to my next point - his multi acclaimed Vandit record label has seen the likes of Ralphie B, (now well known as Midway) NU NRG and a host of other artists and producers sign his prestigious label - the recognition and 'name' persay attributed to a label of that sort is one that can be deemed as the best in the world.


His singles and albums have hit the German and international charts numerous times and music journalists have made him one of the most praised DJs in Europe. In 1999 he is awarded "Best International DJ" and his regular 6 hour set at the Gatecrasher is voted "second best night ever" in a poll by the english "Muzik" magazine amongst 50 parties and clubs.

The recognition accredited to him is well deserved - Politics of Dancing polarizes this well with his reworks which IMO; stand far above their time - the album's release (05 - 11 -01) has seen some of his well know re-works to this day being played by Ferry/Armin/Push etc.

Paul van Dyk - shit?

Hardly.

sorry son...but armin is the best of the bunch at the moment...

i never said he was shit..i said he played quite a few shit tracks..with 1 of the worst being that "take me higher" track from mayday in 2002...utter complete bullshit music..i dont even think the late tony de vit would have played something so shit!!!

your right his mixing is still tight...but not as tight as it used to be back in the late 90's...and his productions are nowhere near as good as they used to be...and it terms of dj performance...he sits there and doesnt move at all....pretty dull shit i must say so myself..

hes in the 2nd tier of trance djs as far as im concerned

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Originally posted by stipsy sorry son...but armin is the best of the bunch at the moment... i never said he was shit..i said he played quite a few shit tracks..with 1 of the worst being that "take me higher" track from mayday in 2002...utter complete bullshit music..i dont even think the late tony de vit would have played something so shit!!! your right his mixing is still tight...but not as tight as it used to be back in the late 90's...and his productions are nowhere near as good as they used to be...and it terms of dj performance...he sits there and doesnt move at all....pretty dull shit i must say so myself.. hes in the 2nd tier of trance djs as far as im concerned

Your entitled to your opinion and at no time am even going to enforce my beliefs on you but:

Agreed - Armin's performance over the last year has been absolutely astounding - His ASOT the best thing since Essential Mixes IMO.

Though you never 'said' he was shit - u've made enough references to him/his productions that imply that hes nothing short of poor.

You've mentioned 1 track out of his countless productions/mixes in the duration of last year as being "complete and utter bullshit" but 1 out of a list of pure class hardly signifies anything...every Dj(even if you were right regarding the track being "complete and utter bullshit" name me a Dj whos production other than Armin - who's track Sunburn was far spectacular/original and followed a very similar structure and syth line as Tiesto's Flight 643)

Ive made my points clear regarding his mixing in previous posts - if you at all question his mixing Politics of Dancing should deem your argument as flawled - that album which culminated a year worth of hard work was mixed with his own personally done reworks (which in themselves suit the calibre of mixes made on VDT - which again polarizes my point about his consistent re/mixing capabilities)

Further that album like that of the legendary Robert Miles before him is and always will be ahead of its time - Dj's like Armin van Buuren to this day playing reworks off that album.

Your argument regarding productions can hardly be taken seriously when a brand new set of tracks off a soundtrack featuring all his own original productions has been heralded around the world by international trance communities including that of tranceaddict.

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Originally posted by :CrasHeR-kiD: Your entitled to your opinion and at no time am even going to enforce my beliefs on you but: Agreed - Armin's performance over the last year has been absolutely astounding - His ASOT the best thing since Essential Mixes IMO. Though you never 'said' he was shit - u've made enough references to him/his productions that imply that hes nothing short of poor. You've mentioned 1 track out of his countless productions/mixes in the duration of last year as being "complete and utter bullshit" but 1 out of a list of pure class hardly signifies anything...every Dj(even if you were right regarding the track being "complete and utter bullshit" name me a Dj whos production other than Armin - who's track Sunburn was far spectacular/original and followed a very similar structure and syth line as Tiesto's Flight 643) Ive made my points clear regarding his mixing in previous posts - if you at all question his mixing Politics of Dancing should deem your argument as flawled - that album which culminated a year worth of hard work was mixed with his own personally done reworks (which in themselves suit the calibre of mixes made on VDT - which again polarizes my point about his consistent re/mixing capabilities) Further that album like that of the legendary Robert Miles before him is and always will be ahead of its time - Dj's like Armin van Buuren to this day playing reworks off that album. Your argument regarding productions can hardly be taken seriously when a brand new set of tracks off a soundtrack featuring all his own original productions has been heralded around the world by international trance communities including that of tranceaddict.

FUck dude, why u got to be so long winded and wordy just farken get to the point, i lost u after the first 2 sentences.

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Originally posted by Euphorica@AUS FUck dude, why u got to be so long winded and wordy just farken get to the point, i lost u after the first 2 sentences.

If you dont like it - dont read it.

Problem solved.

Slooooow down there. stipsy seems to have hit a nerve.

The original poster of this thread said that he thinks PvD is the cheesiest of the trance DJs, and that he plays a lot of pure shit.

Personally, I think PvD's great, but I also think he's not the DJ he used to be. Some of his sets in 1999/2000 were simply mindblowing. Hell, look at Rosenmontags 2002!

The problem that some of us Melbourne ppl have (well, me anyway) is that a week after his very enjoyable Mayday 2002 set, he came to Melbourne and put in an aimless, limp performance for us, both in terms of track selection and his own presence. Naturally, the mixing was spot-on (it's PvD).

Further compounding this is Armin's visit in October, where he stepped up to the decks, smiling and waving, and then proceeded to play the trance set of the year. He threw in classics, new tracks, his own productions, and worked the crowd like a master.

PvD's a great DJ, but his best productions are behind him. Armin van Buuren is right at the cutting edge at the moment. Ferry's ALWAYS been a better producer than PvD. Finally, PvD used to be the biggest DJ in the world, but I would suggest that Tiesto's now got that title (not the best, but the biggest crowd-puller).

I'd agree with stipsy, he's just not what he used to be.

And I couldn't resist:

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You've mentioned 1 track out of his countless productions/mixes in the duration of last year as being "complete and utter bullshit" but 1 out of a list of pure class hardly signifies anything...every Dj(even if you were right regarding the track being "complete and utter bullshit" name me a Dj whos production other than Armin - who's track Sunburn was far spectacular/original and followed a very similar structure and syth line as Tiesto's Flight 643) Ive made my points clear regarding his mixing in previous posts - if you at all question his mixing Politics of Dancing should deem your argument as flawled - that album which culminated a year worth of hard work was mixed with his own personally done reworks (which in themselves suit the calibre of mixes made on VDT - which again polarizes my point about his consistent re/mixing capabilities)

144 words in two sentences -- that must be some sort of record.
Your verbosity astounds me.

Struck a nerve?

Far from it - ive said it before and ill say it again:

Stipsy like anyone on this board is entitled to their own opinion; however if they are to present an opinion that makes broad sweeping generalizations that intially we'rent even justifed such as:

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a lot of the stuff he plays is pure shit

To me saying one track (the one he mentioned was "Take me Higer" from Mayday 2002) doesnt cut it - one out of hundreds of seamless pieces of production and unreleased reworks/mixes etc. does not substantiate:

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a lot of the stuff he plays is pure shit

Secondly he knew that he was treading on thin ice when he submitted this thread...the critisim/opinion that he recieves should have been expected well before this time.

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but his sets always have quite a few shockers in it

Which Dj doesnt? Name me 1 (thats all i ask) Dj who has never faultered when playing live - further, what are these 'shockers' that you speak of, and how are they deemed under your select criteria to be 'shockers'?

Verbose or not - i get my point across and to me thats all that matters.

How do you account for his remixes in a can crasher kid? 3-4 tracks remixed this year used the exact same bassline, thats pretty dodgy.

3-4?? It's waay more than that .. Wavey Gravy, Born Slippy, Arctic/Nothing But You, Tick Tock, I Feel You, Everywhere I Go, Guide Me God, Never Fuck, Starchildren.... the list goes on!

All these tracks sound almost identical, and these are just ones I can find in the couple of tracklists that I have lying around....

Sounds similar?

If you want what you call

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pretty dodgy

(not in my opinion however) check some stuf by Airwave & M.I.K.E they are known for the recycling of their syth-riffs etc.

Sadly, your talking about Paul here...

Even if i were to accept what your saying as true; the only tracks that even sound similar not "dodgy" not "exactly the same" but similar are:

Ghostland - Feat. Sinnead O' Connor - Guide Me God (Paul van Dyk Remix)

&

Paul van Dyk - Nothing But You


One is a production and the other a Remix

You've said:

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3-4 tracks remixed this year used the exact same bassline

The aforementioned tracks are far from exact - If you bother to listen carefully from his livesets the pitch and the number of breakdowns are completely different; though similar in style, not or even close to "exactly the same".

Guide Me God has 1 large buildup that breaks at approx 6:10 where as Nothing But you builds and breaks through various points in the track in line with the vocals.

Even if i were to accept that its 2 - not 4 in my books.

This thread sux


*nobs off back to the UK forum*

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Originally posted by :CrasHeR-kiD: Ghostland - Feat. Sinnead O' Connor - Guide Me God (Paul van Dyk Remix) & Paul van Dyk - Nothing But You One is a production and the other a Remix

not quite .. Nothing but You is a remix of Hemstock & Jennings - Arctic

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