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lol that fruity comment might get more flames than the hard trance one.

i should add that i dont think fruity is shit, i use it myself. I mean some hard trance tunes sound like theve taken 5 mins on fruity and just stuck a few effects like flanger & reverb over them.

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infact - have you ever heard a flutlicht or a s.h.o.k.k track (just my favourite two producers as examples for arguments sake) - their tracks are brilliantly layered, climactic and excellently set out. different from anything ive heard before - so how can they sound the same as every other hard trance tune?

look im not picking on your tastes u have a right to your opinion as do i. don't take it personaly.

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Originally posted by Tsunami One look im not picking on your tastes u have a right to your opinion as do i. don't take it personaly.

i didnt mean that - my post wasnt that clear. i just picked flutlicht and s.h.o.k.k at random, theres a lot more hard trance that im actually not that fond of that doesnt have the generic sound i think youre talking about.

Hmm and you think its strange that you get flamed

Why start a discussion with a topic like this?

that's asking for flame.. next time try to use a more tactical way to make your point.

chris you coming gods 2nite?

im not unfortunately, would have fuckin loved it, but cash, exams and other stuff got in the way...

Think you may have hit a nerve or two there Tsunami.

I especially liked these comments:

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Damn you're soo open-minded dewd... NOT!

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hahaha, fuck off you cock head, diversify ur tastes

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australia... the country renowned world wide for its contributions the dance and trance music scene

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more uptempo than some of the BORING prog outthere

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Probably just those shite aussie djs again mate. Feck off.

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you obviously showed that you dont like hard trance, and you have no means to back up what you sed, so i suggest you go back to making shit soap operas like 'home and away' & 'neighbours'

You accuse him of being closed minded, but then attack him personally for not liking your style of music? Everyone's entitled to their own taste in music unless they happen to dislike yours, is that how it works?

Bloody hell, I'm sick of this bandwagon crap. Personally I can't stand hard trance for the same reasons Tsunami and Insomnia^ gave above, but why the hell do you care? I don't whinge whenever anyone shits on my style of music, or - in this case - on my local club scene (amazing how much you fellas seem to know about a scene you've never even encountered before eh?) so what the hell do you care if I hate hard-trance? If you enjoy the music, listen to it and feel free to discuss how great it is. Just try not to take personal offence at the fact that not everyone shares your views and that these contrary views will get aired. If hard-trance isn't "shit" then feel free to tell us why instead of launching half-arsed insults (that were so hackneyed that they failed to be in the least bit insulting as it happens) and telling everyone who dislikes your music that they are wrong. Some people in this thread have had some decent things to contribute, but it seems like the rest of you are just a little too thin-skinned to use an impersonal internet forum without getting so easily offended.

yea it is shit... hehe, flame is funny

plain and simple. if u dont like it, then dont listen to it.

most of it suck, yet there are some quality stuff. examples:

dj energy - excelsis (s.h.o.k.k. remix) -> dark madness
cosmic gate ft. jan johnston - raging (storm) -> hey, it's jan johnston!

i hate too that cheesy trademark sounds on many tunes, that makes them perfect for kids and wannabes. though i admit it's something wicked to dance to. but apart some exceptions, most of it ain't deep enough for my musical taste.

btw, DJ Scot Project - Overdrive is one of the most over-rated tunes ever. sucky piece of cheese. (IN MY OPINION of course)

and.. techno > hard trance. not deep as well, but it doesnt have cheesy trademark sounds.

OVERDRIVE!!!!! overrated ? what planet are ya on ? it's one of the best uplifting hard tunes ever made, the bassline is awesome and at the time it was made was also unique, the kick is hard, the bass rules, and the main tune makes u wanna cry, if you can call it bad, you seriously need to remove the excess water on the mind, cos it's everything but that.

on the other hand u have progressive, with no style, slow and boring, and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz can u blame us for wanting some exciting sounds rather than watching some dj like digweed not enjoy playing

My question is:Are there songs that have good melody and at the same time is hard????Please give examples...

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Originally posted by Psychonoise My question is:Are there songs that have good melody and at the same time is hard????Please give examples...

the only good hard trance song i own is ricky le roy - one day (big bass mix) & decoy and roy - inner life (nord vs bonka mix) there rest of this genre is shit like the title says

Great, you think it's shit. Are you done?

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Originally posted by Psychonoise My question is:Are there songs that have good melody and at the same time is hard????Please give examples...

Altitude - Altutude (S.H.O.K.K. Remix)
Orion Too - Hope & Wait (S.H.O.K.K. Remix)
Flutlicht - Icarus (JX4 or S.H.O.K.K. Mixes)
DJ Energy - Excelsis (Origional or S.H.O.K.K Mixes)
Mat Silver vs Tony Burt - Teardrops (S.H.O.K.K Remix)
DJ Spoke - Ignition (S.H.O.K.K Remix)

loads more just cant be bothered to list them

If it didnt have melody it would be hard house - so technically all hard trance has a melody - even if its not good.

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Originally posted by Tsunami One To a point i agree with you. However i listen to techno @ home and it kills me everytime. hard trance is good dancing music like ppl have said, but it fails to do it for me even as that. ok take scot project for instance. How many of his remix's and productions sound different to overdrive? the same blips and beeps rehashed over and over again. Cosmic gate the same thing over and over again. and if i remember correctly in a partyservice set they played their own productions something like 8 out of the 12 songs no thats takin the piss You take the nick skitz's with the pappa's now i dont remember saying i "hated" it any where. I am just voicing my opinion. I have different tastes like everyone else but i dont like hard trance.

ok right..... i agree scot p is too samey...... and cosmic gate r just plain terrible....... but im afraid to say that you jusat picked the 2 most popular hard trance producers.... this proves that you dont know anything about the true heart of the ganre, only what you and the other uneducated ppl r hearing.
but i tell you now...... scot p was an absolute legend woith tracks like his mix of 2nd trip...... and anything b4 that..... tunes im sure youve never heard of, like microbots - cosmic evolution, nightclub - french kiss (scot p mix). arome - somebody.

you really dont seem to know what your on about mate, so i suggest
that you leave it until you do know what your on about.....
you cant class scot project as a key example for your arguement


and btw.... dont try and say that you never sed it was shit just because your getting owned left right and centre you fuckin pommie scum....... its ppl like you that this board dont need.... you fucking narrowminded wanker....... just fucking leave it out will ya until you have a solid base for your argument, which i doubt youll ever get.... as hard trance is ever growing, but you seem to not notice the ever growing amount of ppl that like it.

and if you ARE stating an opinion... say that you dont like it and give reasons....... dont just say its fuckins shit, when it blatantly isnt

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Originally posted by Tsunami One lol yeh i really can see in my post that i listed what i listen to. what colour underwear am i wearing?

eat my ravin shorts biyatch

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Originally posted by Renegade Bloody hell, I'm sick of this bandwagon crap. Personally I can't stand hard trance for the same reasons Tsunami and Insomnia^ gave above,

if you loom at what insomnia sed.... he gave a good argument over why he dosnt liek it. and if you look, i gave him a civil reply..... now, take a look at how tsunami started his argument........ see any correlation, and plz dont just stick up for him as hes a fellow ozzie...... thats just tacky


the difference that you seem to not notice, is that if sumone says, i personally dont like this styel baceause it is........., they will get a constructive reply, if sumone goes in and say ' this is fucking shit, it is very poor and it shouldnt be played on radio because it is cheese' then your asking for trubble

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Originally posted by ferrycorstenfan OVERDRIVE!!!!! overrated ? what planet are ya on ? it's one of the best uplifting hard tunes ever made, the bassline is awesome and at the time it was made was also unique, the kick is hard, the bass rules, and the main tune makes u wanna cry, if you can call it bad, you seriously need to remove the excess water on the mind, cos it's everything but that. on the other hand u have progressive, with no style, slow and boring, and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz can u blame us for wanting some exciting sounds rather than watching some dj like digweed not enjoy playing

since when i compared progressive to hard trance?

and you like overdrive, good for you - enjoy it. i just happen to don't like it and think it's lame

Beauty is in the ear of the listener.

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Originally posted by ferrycorstenfan on the other hand u have progressive, with no style, slow and boring, and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz can u blame us for wanting some exciting sounds rather than watching some dj like digweed not enjoy playing

umm you accuse those who don't like ARRRRDDDDDDDD trance of being narrow-minded, and then you type something like that

well done dickhead.

p.s nice pic, ph33r the phorum pic!

weinor.

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Originally posted by Dj_Mario umm you accuse those who don't like ARRRRDDDDDDDD trance of being narrow-minded, and then you type something like that well done dickhead. p.s nice pic, ph33r the phorum pic! weinor.

No, you see I have nothing against hardstyle hard trance hard house techno epic trance breaks house chillout etc, BUT I do have a problem with the wankers like urself who think that cos u listen to progressive makes u better than no1 else, ur just a shitty kid who thinks hes good cos half of the perth ta's jizz over everything u say or do

Well welcome to the real world, ur not hero worshipped by us, we see what an assclown you are, and everything u do, from the way u call the mods to the way u call ne1 who doesn't listen to what you want them to Slade, ur just a retard, and u cant accept when ppl disagree with you, you call me for using pictures at times, yet u did exactly the same thing, and u have the attitude of a prog head, which makes u think ur superior to us, but you're not, ur just one of 14 thousand members, ur shit, like every1 else is, so why dont u stop calling the ppl who dont lick ur sphincter and realise that the day you start behaving is the day ppl like me don't need to flame you & ur bumchums for being ****s, if ur 'too progressive for this board' fuck off to progressive.nu or something, cos ur no better than ne1 else here, so accept it

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Originally posted by ferrycorstenfan ur just a Well welcome to the real world

umm, last time I checked, this was an internet forum, not the real world.

bitofadick.

congratulations, you just transformed this into the 281742189748127421741247217428924th progressive vs. trance thread in the last 3 months. plus some personal attacks.

let's talk about hard trance, shall we?

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Originally posted by PaRaNoIk0 congratulations, you just transformed this into the 281742189748127421741247217428924th progressive vs. trance thread in the last 3 months. plus some personal attacks. let's talk about hard trance, shall we?

nah that'd take some originality on ferrycorstenfan's behalf...

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