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i don't really know about that, the quebec govt tries to accept more people from "french" countries to help its politic of keeping a good french speaking majority. While trying to keep out the others. Thats why you guys in Ontario get lots of immigration from the south and eastern asia, while we get more from the middle east and africa. I'm with you about the economy, Ontario has a richer economy but somewhat less diversifed. Also in 2002 Quebec (surprisingly) had a greater economic growth than Ontario, alsoe most jobs created during this year in Canada were in Quebec. The referendum question has been put on the side which boosts investors confidence, also govt huge infrastructure spendings kept things moving during a suposedly slow year.
I think the reason why asians go to Toronto and Vancouver is because there are already MANY asians in those regions. Similarly many lebanese go Quebec because there are many lebanese there already.
yes that is very true!! when we came to canada in 86 it was because my uncle and my aunt were here. Then the rest followed later on. what the govt of quebec do, is that they have offices in french speaking countries and try to convince them to come over, they will also give resident permits more easily to those, and try pressuring the rest to go to french schools to learn the language. Also every kid has to go to a french school (except if he's from an english culture) this I am sure discouraged lots but at the same time encouraged some, explaining why there's a polarization in immigration.
wells ..makes sense. i mean if ur Lebanese and can speak French already then i'm sure it's a lot easier bringing up ur family in Quebec than in Ontario. on the flipside if your Chinese, it's probably a lot easier to speak English than French, since they teach English in places like Hong Kong since the British occupation there ..etc..
yep exactly!
but why you guys keep saying lebanese hehehe, i'm not lebanese 
Well back to the main point here .... FUCK THOSE MAINLANDERS !!!
GOD THEY DRIVE ME CRAZY !!!
YO EVERY AZN TA SHOULD POST THERE MAINLANDER STORIES !!!
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| Originally posted by ahlamalek yep exactly! but why you guys keep saying lebanese hehehe, i'm not lebanese |
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| Originally posted by ahlamalek dude you must be an e-tard, what insecurity? where did I say montreal is better? Montreal and Toronto are two big cities, very different but also very similar due to a very diverse populace. |
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| Originally posted by Wurm You did not say it was better, you just compared it to Canada's financial, industrial and cultural capital. |
Hmm, one would think that there must be some reason why so many Americans think that Toronto is the capital of Canada (other than the fact that they're friggin' stupid).
Whereas, if you've ever watched a TV show like This Hour Has 22 Minutes, you would realize in a second that very few people from outside of Canada have ever heard of Montreal, or Quebec. (P.S. I'm not basing this on TV shows, I'm basing it on several conversations with several Americans, I'm just using the show as an example).
I'm not trying to draw any comparisons at all in terms of quality of music or quality of nightlife or ethnic diversity - I've been to Montreal a few times and it's a truly awesome place to be. But there are lots of awesome places to go. Fact is, in terms of raw worldwide popularity and recognition, Toronto wins hands down.
Aside from the parties, I hate Toronto, it's too damn crowded and rushed, but let's not bend or deny the truth here.
For the love of god, all you #$&*ing Montreal TA's can flame Toronto in the Montreal forum, do you have to bring your circus act here? Some of us have more interesting things to talk about, so just
stfu, plz, thx.
seriously guys, i don't see what's all the fuss is about?? I just don't see whats wrong chitchating with my TO fellas, this is a msg board after all. What's the fun in being isolated from each other?
if you reread the whole conversation, there was nothing out of place until someone started his superiority-inferiority bs. you jump to conclusions and want to be left alone. good, fine! I'll leave ya alone!
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| Originally posted by E2EK1EL_D3 Well back to the main point here .... FUCK THOSE MAINLANDERS !!! GOD THEY DRIVE ME CRAZY !!! YO EVERY AZN TA SHOULD POST THERE MAINLANDER STORIES !!! |
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| Originally posted by fuxit This one time I was heading to Just Desserts on Kennedy and Sheppard, all the cars were stopped at a red light, but this crazy small SUV behind me, kinda like a RAV 4, didnt want to wait and went beside me, went up on the curb, left wheel still on the road, right wheel on the curb, and almost smaked into the people waiting at the bus stop, to turn right. All these people started screaming at the car, but they just continued on, like nothing was happening. After the light turned green, I went on and parked near JD's and saw the same car, and the ppl coming out were cracking up and laughing in Mandarin, not Canto, and they went into the sushi restaurant. Crazy. |
So, are Taiwanese considered Mainlanders? They speak Mandarin...
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| Originally posted by Wurm So, are Taiwanese considered Mainlanders? They speak Mandarin... |
Visible minority the majority in Vancouver suburb, 2001 census shows
Article online
Visible minority the majority in Vancouver suburb, 2001 census shows
By AMY CARMICHAEL
RICHMOND, B.C. (CP) - In the Canadian Tire and Mark's Work Warehouse outlets in this sprawling Vancouver suburb, Cantonese and Mandarin are spoken more often than English.
A blur of Chinese dialects, along with Japanese and a smattering of other Asian languages, take over completely inside the string of Asian malls that line the main roads of Richmond, where more than half the residents are visible minorities and most hail from Asia.
Richmond stood out this week in data from the 2001 census released by Statistics Canada as the municipality with the highest concentration of people from China. It has also attracted more immigrants in the last 10 years than any other Canadian destination.
The city of 164,000 is evidence of the changing profile of immigrants to Canada, says David Baxter, executive director of the Urban Futures Institute.
As a result of changes to immigration policy in the 1980s, people coming to Canada today have skills and money.
"Many are professionals, they want space, a big house, a clean, safe neighbourhood," Baxter said.
Places such as Richmond and Markham, Ont., just north of Toronto, are ideal settlement spots because the houses are more affordable and still within commuting distance to the big cities.
"These immigrants are truly living the suburban dream," Baxter says.
While Richmond and Markham, which ranks alongside Vancouver and Toronto for high concentrations of visible minorities, are generally regarded as multiculturalism success stories, it would be untrue to say that everyone gets along.
Sucking bubble tea through a fat straw, Kevin Yam, 16, says there are divisions between Chinese kids who were born in Canada, those who just moved here and can't speak English, other minorities and the established non-Asian residents.
"I hang out mostly with people like me who came from Hong Kong," says Yam while shopping in the Yaohan Centre, a Chinese mall.
"It's like I never left, and that makes it really hard to learn English."
In the Yaohan Centre and a myriad of other malls just like it in Richmond and Markham, almost every face is Asian. The clothes are imported from Hong Kong, the candy from China, electronics from Taiwan.
Non-Asian girls shop for clothes; the fashion is several seasons ahead of what Western stores carry.
The food shops are popular with everyone. Oreo cookies are on the shelves beside Lychee pudding. Doritos can be found next to shrimp crackers and cuttlefish chips.
Richmond Mayor Malcolm Brodie says the Asian night markets held during Chinese New Year draw 100,000 people and are a celebration that showcases the success of the integration between all the cultural groups.
But the ethnic influx hit rapidly, much of it in the last 10 years, and there have been growing pains and complaints from long-time residents.
During the mid 1990s, the non-Asian community in Richmond swamped city hall with complaints over the fact many of the signs on businesses and advertisements appeared only in Asian languages. In some malls, for example, prices and store names could not be found in English.
Money became a unifier on that issue, with business owners eventually realizing they would draw twice as many customers if they reached out in two languages.
Brodie says the city receives far fewer complaints on the issue now. New malls are being built with an emphasis on appealing to a diverse community instead of only the Chinese.
In their conversations with the city, Fairchild Development Ltd., which is renovating the Aberdeen Centre mall, said appealing to a variety of cultures was a major part of its business plan.
At the Chinese Cultural Centre in Markham, manager Miranda Mak pushes clients to reach out to the other ethnic groups.
"Chinese culture is a shy culture in general, but we are very adaptable," Mak says. "People coming here know Canada is a multicultural country.
"This message is firm in our mind that we have to get along with everyone."
To that end, she scolds people for speaking one of the Chinese languages in the presence of people who don't speak them.
"It's rude!" she says.
Mary Watkins says it doesn't bother her. She has lived in Richmond for 25 years and watched it transform.
"The people who didn't like what was happening, for the most part, they just left," says Watkins. "Those of us who stayed enjoy the different food and learning about different cultures."
Canadians had better get comfortable with it, says Baxter, because immigration is Canada's future. Economically, it's the best way for the country to grow.
In the next 25 years, Richmond and Markham will likely spawn other cities just like them.
As part of the cycle, the children of the most recent wave of immigrants are expected to disperse throughout the region until the majority of Canadian municipalities have a truly multicultural face.
In another generation, says Baxter, people will no longer be measuring the ratio of visible minorities, they will just accept that the face of Canada is colourful.
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| Originally posted by dEsidEL nopes .. because they're from Taiwan Island .. not the "mainland" of China .. hence the term .. here's my mainland story: I used to chill a lot at the Timmy's on "Midland and Steeles".. but now everytime i go in there at like 4 am it's still a !@#$ zoo and u can't find a seat anywhere ! (literally).. heh , so since then the place has been renamed by many as the Timmy's on "Mainland & Steeles".. |
Richmond, BC and Markham & Richmond Hill, ON .. are like mirror images..
So does that mean that since I live in markham, and i'm a white male, that i'm considered the minority? I can finally get a job based on my skin colour & not my skill!
wooo yah!
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| Originally posted by BigTongue So does that mean that since I live in markham, and i'm a white male, that i'm considered the minority? I can finally get a job based on my skin colour & not my skill! wooo yah! |
Either way it proves that Toronto is the greatest city of all time.
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| Originally posted by TheDemon Either way it proves that Toronto is the greatest city of all time. |
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