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Originally posted by Dj_Irish well, here's my 2 cents. I only spin on vinyl. And I have a couple of reasons for doing so. First of all, I've fallen in love in the hunt for vinyls. Yes, they are a hell of a lot more expensive then downloading them from some dodgy p2p client but when you manage to track down that particular vinyl and you are holding it in your hands you get a lot higher satisifaction. Plus, you got the sense of actually owning something. CDs would come with a feel of ownership as well, but somehow they still feel cheap too me . MP3s are just something you download in a few seconds and then delete whenever you feel like it. Like it never was there. This search for vinyl also works as a quality control. Since they are expensive and sometime hard to come by you get careful of what you're buying. Then when it comes to the actual spinning, I personally don't like spinning CDs. Why? To me it just feels a bit to much of pressing buttons. I wanna feel I'm actually doing something of a handcraft when spinning. Not that I'm programming something. Now, I do realise sometimes it can be good to have a CD player as a nice addition to your two turntables. Especially for those rare promo situations mentioned earlier. And I can see myself buying one as well. But since my mixer just went ape-shit on me I'll have to invest in a new mixer before anything else

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! right on...also...i feel proud of my collection...when someone comes over...they see my collection and there are like WOW

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Originally posted by Dj_Irish well, here's my 2 cents. I only spin on vinyl. And I have a couple of reasons for doing so. First of all, I've fallen in love in the hunt for vinyls. Yes, they are a hell of a lot more expensive then downloading them from some dodgy p2p client but when you manage to track down that particular vinyl and you are holding it in your hands you get a lot higher satisifaction. Plus, you got the sense of actually owning something. CDs would come with a feel of ownership as well, but somehow they still feel cheap too me . MP3s are just something you download in a few seconds and then delete whenever you feel like it. Like it never was there. This search for vinyl also works as a quality control. Since they are expensive and sometime hard to come by you get careful of what you're buying. Then when it comes to the actual spinning, I personally don't like spinning CDs. Why? To me it just feels a bit to much of pressing buttons. I wanna feel I'm actually doing something of a handcraft when spinning. Not that I'm programming something. Now, I do realise sometimes it can be good to have a CD player as a nice addition to your two turntables. Especially for those rare promo situations mentioned earlier. And I can see myself buying one as well. But since my mixer just went ape-shit on me I'll have to invest in a new mixer before anything else

I agree on 99% of your story.

Only difference is, my mixer isn't broken

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Originally posted by D.Edge CD: 16 bit / 44100Hz .WAV Vinyl: Analog. (mmm... ) back in the days when they didn't have computers to make music on, they used hardware...analog synths, samplers, even instruments. so analog signals were generated, and recorded onto analog media, eg 12"s. and everybody was happy. now computers are standard issue for any music maker, with newer music makers preferring relatively cheap software synths over expensive analog synths. CDs are much cheaper to make than vinyl. but whereas you might notice a difference between CD and vinyl versions of the same analog recording, there might be no difference if the original master was exported as a 16bit/44100 hz .WAV (which no serious producer would think about)...but there will be a difference if the original master was a 24bit/96000Hz (or even 32bit/192000Hz) wave file, with the analog sounding "warmer"... it's all about the bitrate, and theres a lot on quantisation i could go into. but basically, the higher the bitrate, the more accurate the sound reproduction, and so the better it sounds (depending on the original source of the signal). which explains why DVDs sound so much better than CDs, or why DATs are used to record masters... or so i think. anyone want to improve on that?

The human ear can't hear the difference between 48000 Hz and anything higher Sampling Rates. What's the difference between 16, 24, and 32 bit though (I'm not talking about MP3, I'm talking about PCM!)? Maybe whatever this difference is, is what makes vinyl sound "warmer".

Same reason as some others.
Availability.

I dont like the idea that anyone can get ahold of almost ANY track, its nice having hunted a rare one down, so that you are one of the few people who can spin the track.

If everyone could play every track, we'd get bored of all of them very quickly.

Simple. I prefer TT but CD-Players are more convinient. Again, sometimes songs are not released, like Southern Sun (Dj Tiesto MIx) and I know lots of you are on the dick of this song. If you spin vinyl, your out of gas. Again, I prefer TT. Also, this whole conversation about VINYL sounding warmer, thats some nice bullshit. BIG DJ's throw down CDS in their sets and you wouldn't even notice. I wouldnt choose TT over CD's only because of this reason. It all depends on the quality the tracks are ripped.

I agree with BENOITFAN

in that Vinyl DJ's "feel" cheated by the CDJ1000 or CDJ800. Afeature that I like about CD PLayers is the "MASTER TEMPO" feature where you can slow down the speed of a song but not the pitch. Ever Slowed down a track so much the female vocal sounds like a guy?

I can only think of one TT that can do this.

I believe people need to have both TT and CD PLayers. TT people need to stop thinking they are better and CD people need to get the real feel of VINYL.

My 2 cents.........

For those of you obsessed with the image side of DJing, or the concept of feeling being cheated out of whatever, I really think you are DJing for the wrong reason or out of a ridiculous cause.
'DJing', is for the love of pleasing a crowd. 'Digging' is the love for finding a certain 12". Generalized? Yes. True? Yes.
Along with DJing comes the whole image thing, I agree with you on that, but lets face it...there's not really a whole lot of difference when it comes to 'pressing a bunch of buttons' on a CD player vs cueing up a record, fading over, and cutting out. Please, for the sake of true turntablist and vinyl junkies, lets leave these 'DJs' that we all praise out of the picture, because they pretty much ruin the concept of what a turntable is in terms of 'level of control'. Turntables bred turntablism, turntablism bred DJing, and DJing bred new technology.

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it completely destroys the concept of a dj.

Please tell me what exactly is the concept of the DJ in your terms. It seems that a DJ spins the music he or she loves and the crowd or receiving party accepts it in any form, because it's about the love of the music.

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youd have geekish computer freaks spinning with crazed homemade programs off their computers back home.

Well, lets see what the difference of the 'concept' of the DJ is between these geeks and Ferry Corsten. Both do the same exact thing, but in different ways. Is the same track different because it's expressed in different media(lets take...oh I don't know...CD vs vinyl ?)

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dj'ing is half about the music and half about the show they put on

Very true. And half about putting on the show is about the audience reacting to the music and the other half is naturally method of delivery. As long as it's delivered, the audience will react. CD or not.

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its just like why do people dislike artificial flavoring and artificial fibres and answered simply. It;s not real!!! i.e. cd-djing is emulating a 'real' dj

It is real. It's just real in a different way. In no way is it artificial whatsoever.

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ask yourself.. if cd DJing technology is so much better, why is it trying to act like 'vinyl' DJing.. (followers cant be leaders)

No, your right. Followers can't be leaders, but innovators can. CDJing isn't 'following' anything...if anything, it's leading for a new path to keep up with advancements of technology.

Everybody has good opinions, and it's interesting to see how people react to this topic, as it's been a debate to long in the DJ industry. But face the facts: CDJs are as real as the 'real' thing, and will continue to grow in popularity and usage. It's not destroying the image of anything, nor is it cheating anybody out of their music. It's just a different way of doing the same thing. Just like your mixing techniques: your doing the same thing, but in different ways.

Couldn't have said it better myself

good post dJohn

I used to be a CD dj........ lol



Stevek

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Originally posted by gOOD-tRiP vinyl is probably more reliable when spinning. People wouldnt want to hear skipping during a set.

vinyls can skip as well

also, i think someone else said it, but when you are into the image side of djing, you wont like cdjs, but when it really comes down to it, it is how you spin, not what medium you play off of, at least i think so

Hmm,
IMO i dislike CD Djs, The only instance i feel its justifiable is say for example if PVD or another giant DJ like that plays a track HE made because it is not yet pressed, or it is a track sent to them by the make(most likely this will be a vinyl though). DJing is 50% about the show, the other 50% is the hunt for the vinyl. Getting those vinyls you have searched high and low for is what makes vinyl djing so great, you get that vinyl that you know no one else has near you. Vinyls make sure you buy quality tracks as they are more expensive. There is something about CDs that makes me cringe with anger, the other day i saw a "DJ" using only CDs he couldnt mix for shit, he was spinning rap(shit) he couldnt beat match, he couldnt scratch he sucked major ass, i felt like slapping him. CDJs serve one purpose, to play productions not yet pressed, any use outside of this is just plain stupid. SO what if you can slow your fucking CD down to 30 bpm with out changing the pitch, wow when on earth would you ever need to do that, when? When are you going from marco V to grandma's favorite elevator classic hit? So technology has gotten tools that have more bells and whistles than the good ol classic turn trables. Who cares, beatmatching is an art made and perfected on Turn Tables. CDs take away not the look or prestige of a DJ but the FEEL. and that is what its all about, the feel. If i had to do a set with CDs i'd feel like i had a testicle removed and just couldnt perform. Why is it that everyone who defends CDJs are computer mixers, and people who dont mix at all who use "Well paul van dyk uses em" as their only line of defense. Yes you cant get that rare track, Shut the fuck UP! thats the point, it is rare, it is a battle, a hunt, you getting that track to give you that edge. I find few things more fun than the hunt for vinyls. Finally CDJs just seem so phony. And they look pretty stupid alone, yes i said look because youre giving a show and looks are important. not as important as sound but theyre important. That is another thing average *.mp3 --> CD-R CDJs dont have much talent mixing. So in case you skipped my whole post, CDJs are fine only if you produced the track or a friend did, other than that they serve little purpose, they take away the great vinyl hunt which makes a DJ a DJ and they look and feel less like a DJ. THERE SHUDDUP!lolz

The thing I don't like about cdjs is the fact that lots of people just use cdrs. Hell I would if I used cd's, cheap as fuck and I can have whatever toonage I want. The Electronic community I think is the main music genre that the whole internet music thing has hit since it is very easy for a tune to find its way onto someones hard drive. If you actually do go out and buy singles etc then I am totally cool with that.

I also just don't get how you rather spin with cds then vinyl (if you exclude costs). You can't honestly tell me you would rather have the Ayu - M EP on a tinny cdr then having the actually triple pack in your hands. Fuck I think a slick slab of vinyl is one of the sexiest things in the world.

To sum it up: Support the artists for fucks sake!!!

Caleb

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Originally posted by DJDigDug There is something about CDs that makes me cringe with anger, the other day i saw a "DJ" using only CDs he couldnt mix for shit, he was spinning rap(shit) he couldnt beat match, he couldnt scratch he sucked major ass, i felt like slapping him.

if u saw someone using vinyl and they couldnt mix for shit, couldnt beatmatch, couldnt scratch, wouldn't u slap him? "hes shit but hey he uses vinyl so ill let it go" wtf are you talking about.

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Originally posted by mikefasssy I also just don't get how you rather spin with cds then vinyl (if you exclude costs). You can't honestly tell me you would rather have the Ayu - M EP on a tinny cdr then having the actually triple pack in your hands. Fuck I think a slick slab of vinyl is one of the sexiest things in the world. To sum it up: Support the artists for fucks sake!!! Caleb

i agree withs upporting the artists, but you cant buy ayu m anymore, you can buy it on ebay (but the artist already got their cut), but it costs like over 150 to buy it, to me that is a big waste of money,

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CDJs serve one purpose, to play productions not yet pressed, any use outside of this is just plain stupid.

Not true. CD turntables are an ALTERNATIVE to turntables, as they provide almost a exact same 'feel' your talking about but in a more convenient form...CDs are lighter, cheaper, more economical, and in sense, more practical. This gives way to the production aspect you mentioned: don't take it as a purpose, but rather see it as a method.

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There is something about CDs that makes me cringe with anger, the other day i saw a "DJ" using only CDs he couldnt mix for shit, he was spinning rap(shit) he couldnt beat match, he couldnt scratch he sucked major ass, i felt like slapping him.

That's the DJ, not the turntables. Christopher Lawrence spun an entire set with only CD TTs...does that make you angry that a 'big time DJ' uses CDTTs? Lawrence is a pioneer in the American trance scene, and the global electronica community, so you can't say that just because he uses CDTTs he's not a 'real' DJ.

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Who cares, beatmatching is an art made and perfected on Turn Tables. CDs take away not the look or prestige of a DJ but the FEEL. and that is what its all about, the feel. If i had to do a set with CDs i'd feel like i had a testicle removed and just couldnt perform.

Again, CDs don't take away anything. I don't get how you came up with this idea that CDs are detrimental. As far as that testicle thing, that's your problem buddy.

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Why is it that everyone who defends CDJs are computer mixers, and people who dont mix at all who use "Well paul van dyk uses em" as their only line of defense.

I have been spinning on my 1200s for over a year. And PvD does use them.

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Finally CDJs just seem so phony. And they look pretty stupid alone, yes i said look because youre giving a show and looks are important. not as important as sound but theyre important. That is another thing average *.mp3 --> CD-R CDJs dont have much talent mixing.

This is ridiuclous. I respect your opinions and outlook on CDJs and what not, but this point your attempting to make serves no validity in your argument. This is pure opinion, and frankly, saying somthing like this, I really don't think anybody gives a monkey shit at this point after this. Where do you, or why do you say that CDRCDJs don't have much talent mixing? PvD uses them.

First of all, people and promoters dont' like CD dj's because they haven't proved the music is not stolen. If you play ripped MP3's you download online(Like I see people do here a lot), then you are a fucking cancer to the scene. It's not how well you spin, it's who you know. And no one wants to know a CD dj. Just ask around REAL promoters and DJ. DOn't ask the newbie wannabies on this site.

Records = DJ,
CD's = Mobil DJ top 40's.

The ONLY reason you should have CD's is if you are playing your own non-released tracks that you just made pre-press.

Something I forgot....

If you have your own cd library of mp3's, you could easily (yet lenghtly) convert all your track to a set bunch of bpm's (130, 140, 150) thereby making beatmatching a piece of piss.

Now, anyone who does this, is a loser, and anyone who doesnt, is stupid, because no one'll know.

The one CDJ back in Cape Town did this, but got found out, now ppl dont give him the time of day

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Originally posted by kr00t0n Something I forgot.... If you have your own cd library of mp3's, you could easily (yet lenghtly) convert all your track to a set bunch of bpm's (130, 140, 150) thereby making beatmatching a piece of piss. Now, anyone who does this, is a loser, and anyone who doesnt, is stupid, because no one'll know. The one CDJ back in Cape Town did this, but got found out, now ppl dont give him the time of day

if you set up the bpms like that, then its retarded. but dont take the negative stereotypes of cdjs, and use them on all cdj users, if someone is using vinyl turntables, and has a bpm counter, that is the exact same thing, and remember, it is not the equipment you use thatmakes you good or what not, it is how you use it, you can have belt driven tables and ifyou are good with them, you can do a monster set, you can also have 1200s and do a shit set if yous uck, again, it is about your skills, not equipment

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Originally posted by DJ-Kuza First of all, people and promoters dont' like CD dj's because they haven't proved the music is not stolen. If you play ripped MP3's you download online(Like I see people do here a lot), then you are a fucking cancer to the scene. It's not how well you spin, it's who you know. And no one wants to know a CD dj. Just ask around REAL promoters and DJ. DOn't ask the newbie wannabies on this site. Records = DJ, CD's = Mobil DJ top 40's. The ONLY reason you should have CD's is if you are playing your own non-released tracks that you just made pre-press.

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if someone is using vinyl turntables, and has a bpm counter, that is the exact same thing

Point taken, but them bpm counters are quite unaccurate, and you could still manually set them off.

final scratch > CD

Hmm...i have 1200's and cdj1000's and i love both...I could give a rats ass about what people think of me because i use cd's. I love the music and i love to spin. Seems like a lot of you dj for the wrong reasons...like you have someone to impress or something...when you love the music you love what you're doing. I mean sure it's great when your audience goes crazy during your set but even if they don't as long as you're loving what you're doing it's ok. I mean if you totally suck then that's a different story. And about image...If you really care and complain SO much about seeing a dj using vinyl...well let me see...since i have both TT and CDJs i could easily spin just cd's and put a vinyl on and pretend like i'm using that...if you think i'm good you damn well wouldn't know which i was using. Anyway, this forum is getting a little old now...cuz it's just gonna go back and forth. So i'll end it here.

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Originally posted by kr00t0n If you have your own cd library of mp3's, you could easily (yet lenghtly) convert all your track to a set bunch of bpm's (130, 140, 150) thereby making beatmatching a piece of piss. Now, anyone who does this, is a loser, and anyone who doesnt, is stupid, because no one'll know. The one CDJ back in Cape Town did this, but got found out, now ppl dont give him the time of day

Cool... where was that?

I have been to Cape Town a few years ago.. Maybe I even went there without noticing

I think to be really on top of the trance scene you need to be mixing with a combination of vinyl and CD's. Rare quality remixes that come out on vinyl as a white label would never make it to CD, while some tunes are just never released on vinyl. As far as I know, almost every Nu-NRG track that PvD plays live is off of a cd.

As far as I can tell though, trance is the only Genre where you need to do both to be on top of your game. The other ones with the more underground sounds like progressive, Jungle, or tribal house rarely ever have any of the less than Huge tunes released on CD's as full rips, so in those other cases vinyl is definitely the main way to go.

Seems like a lot of you dj for the wrong reasons...like you have someone to impress or something


LOL, isn't that the truth!

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