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you people are unbelievable.
Do self-destruction and trance-addiciton go hand in hand lately?

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Originally posted by Bouma-Bros Armin is probably one of the most OVERRATED dance-artists in history. His productions were quality in the past, as a DJ he is poor. His best mix-album is the Black Hole CD for Artist Profile Series, that one is still enjoyable, the rest of his mix-compilations are utter wank.

thank you tank you thank you...... i sooooo needed to hear that, because it is the truth, for ages now i have sed that armin isnt shit, but he is so unbelievably overrated, and i dont find his sets interesting in anyway... hence my name for him armin van boring

great, i saw your beloved Tracid and fell asleep...

and i dare saying that whoever thinks that Boundaries Of Imagination is "utter wank" is at the wrong adress here

Maybe I haven't been looking in the right places, but I'm surprised not to have seen any discussion about his Essential MIx that aired last night. Check it out on the Radio 1 archives this week!

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Originally posted by TranceGiant great, i saw your beloved Tracid and fell asleep... and i dare saying that whoever thinks that Boundaries Of Imagination is "utter wank" is at the wrong adress here

just b/c he stepped up to the plate to say he doesnt care for armin and goes against all the armin bandwagoners doesnt mean that he dislikes trance.. thats the beauty of it, trance is quite diverse and so is TA. there are so many variation to trance be it progressive, hard, goa, etc etc... and that also applies to TA, it doesnt only attract epic trance/armin style trance addicts

-BLuEOcEaN420

Hm, I consider the tracklist of this album the essence of what we refer to as 'trance'. I'm pretty there's a general consensus that those tracks are hallmarks of the trance "culture". Regardless of the dj behind this mix I doubt that some1 who calls this cd "utter wank" is a TRANCEaddict.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant great, i saw your beloved Tracid and fell asleep...

sorry, i forgot that this thread was about tracid.

if you can tell me how in any way that armin is innovative, different, fresh or exciting in anyway of late, then ill gladly take back what i sed.

also, let me just underline what i sed earlier... i sed i DO like normal trance..... or atleast i did, but the normal trance of the last year or so, has been samey and rather boring, with the exception of tomcraft - lonliness <<< this is the sorta track im on about.... a COMPLETELY NEW DIFFERENT APPROACH, unlike the like of ligaya and the usual run of the mill trance which has graced us so much this last year.

also. like i sed.... how many tracks like push - legacy, have been released this last year? ... push - legacy, being a brilliant innovative successful tune of epic proportions.

i hope i dont detect any elitism here because i listen to hard music, you think i dont know what im talking about, cos i can assure you, youd be very much mistaken TranceSmalltimer. oops i mean TranceGiant, good day.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant Hm, I consider the tracklist of this album the essence of what we refer to as 'trance'. I'm pretty there's a general consensus that those tracks are hallmarks of the trance "culture". Regardless of the dj behind this mix I doubt that some1 who calls this cd "utter wank" is a TRANCEaddict.

Read properly!

I said Bounderies Of Imganination (the Black Hole CD) is the only Armin CD I like, the rest is shite IMO.

No, no elitism here. ( I actually like my hard-trance from time to time, tracid still sucked, but nevertheless it was childish of me to tell you that as an counter-"attack" ).
Just that Im sick of this never-ending story of overhyping followed by ultra-bashing in this forum. The "bandwagon" accusation got so trendy that nowadays a huge bandwagon of those who bash ppl for loving the usual suspects (pvd, ferry, armin and tijs) exists. People who DO Like the , in my opinion, pioneers of what we call trance scene are slowly becoming a minority.
I see people moaning and bitching like grammas about "good ol' times", people who months before made this forum a big "OMFG!!"-orgy praising their now "selling out" idols.
Make no mistake, criticism is not only tolerated but also necessary. However what's going on here lately has nothing to do with criticism anymore. It's very shallow behavior of "breaking taboos" by bashing some of the big names. Every1 thinks hes a hero when vashing PVD and "fighting" the so-almighty PVD alliance. Wtf's up with this paranoia? Does it make certain ppl better to "break the rules" ?(which they themselves proclaimed as such!).
Oakey's been bashed since I know this forum, last summer we had the collective Tiesto-crucification, then PVD Anti-alliances (how fucking funny that was) and now it looks like it's armin turn. Same with single tracks (ligaya, southern sun, urban train, sunburn) or trance as a whole "look at me, im cool and underwent the progressive-metamorphosis", "trance is becoming commercial and shit!". Some arguments are very justified and jdging productions is always subjective, but thats not the point here. It's this culture of endless very short-sighted(all that counts is now..realy?) bitching, this mass hysteria and the anti-bandwagon paranoia.

bah.

anyone who beleives this doesn't have a clue what they are talkin about

i 100% agree with you mate, i never say sumthing is shit without giving a justified arguement, i never ever say that my music is better than anyone elses.

regarding armin.... im sure anyone hoo knows me will tell you that my views on armin have been publicly displayed for months and months and months now.... the reason i dont like him... because he gains all the respect of uneducated trance noobs (i aint saying everyone that likes him r noobs) hoo see what he plays or produces as the perfect example of trance music as a genre...... and i agree, but what im saying is... for the status he now has, he doesnt produce or DJ to a brilliant standard.
His productions are good never the less... but the point im making is, he isnt as good as he shud be. I DID admit earlier that i saw him once and thoght he was good, but seen him a few other times, and ive been most unimpressed.
As for tiesto... in the last 2 years that i have been going to nearly every gatecrasher, and ive seen tiesto.... out of about 10 times, he has only played 1 good set, and that was cos he played a trademark set on new years eve. i have always had the same view on tiesto.
Ferry has never done anything for me at all, so i cant comment on him cos i dont focus a single bit of my attention to him.

Again/. my main point is.... trance for the last year has been a bore with no new sounds or ideas (apart from tomcraft - lonliness, for one). so as a whole... armin has gone to pot with the style. i think the next year will probably be the year of tomcraft, and he will bring new fresher sounds to trance music.. and he will be this years pioneer... and i hope so very much that he is....cos he deserves it

p.s im not a avid tomcraft fan either, but i like his workings


edit:.... also as i sed earlier, if anyone can prove me wrong about armin not being innovative. and can prove to me that he is worthy of his current status thru his performance of the last few months, then ill gladly take it back

peace

I think Armin keeps getting better as time passes. His DJ skills has increased enormously + his ASOT sets really made him gain popularity. As far as his productions some haven't been as great as his past... But they're still very enjoyable.

jamie, good or not good, tomcraft is not a trance dj/producer. msot of his album is gothic electro wierd stuff.

and dont argue back ya twat im just stating a fact



as for my views on armin, i still enjoy his sets. be they stereotypical default trance, theyre still nice sets, but i wont go WOHOOO FUCKING ARMIN SET SO MINT AND AMAZING LETS SHAG MY COMPUTER coz he isnt anything special, just nice.

but to be fair more and more morons will liek him and he will tiesto-ize, the majority of his fans drinking red stripe lager in crasher, YEY. not

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Originally posted by DJ Arsalan i can't beleive no one mentiond Armin - Communication

exactly.
i think he's jsut taking a different approach to his music..he still makes some good tracks. if you put it that way, you could say any big name dj out there was better in the past. perhaps armin's on a different wavelength.

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Originally posted by Dumonde Trancer jamie, good or not good, tomcraft is not a trance dj/producer. msot of his album is gothic electro wierd stuff. and dont argue back ya twat im just stating a fact as for my views on armin, i still enjoy his sets. be they stereotypical default trance, theyre still nice sets, but i wont go WOHOOO FUCKING ARMIN SET SO MINT AND AMAZING LETS SHAG MY COMPUTER coz he isnt anything special, just nice. but to be fair more and more morons will liek him and he will tiesto-ize, the majority of his fans drinking red stripe lager in crasher, YEY. not

youll get no argument from me with that statement, i agree, but i think that tomcraft will influence trance in the coming year.

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Originally posted by [N]�k|��[Z] youll get no argument from me with that statement, i agree, but i think that tomcraft will influence trance in the coming year.

i sure hope so, i like different trance, even if its different yet the same most of the time, its still not ur basic trance like most of the stuff armin plays.

also im sick of everything being to proggy. there are other ways of making stuff different

plain and simple... TRANCE NEEDS A NEW TALENT to take it to the forefront again.... cos to be fair, there aint really been anyone else since the ferry armin tijs era, that have achieved the same as what they did

Im not sure what to say on this one, I guess i agree, Armin isnt quite what he used to be production wise. Mixing i have always enjoyed his sets, I agree with dumonde trancer, theyre nice to listen to they are not mint. I dont hate Armins work though, His recent work has been OK. I think in all honesty Armin needs to take a little time off, if he is not mixing he is producing and i think that rate which he has been going at has cut some of his creativity down. I think he needs to put a lil more thought into his work, for example the Remix of solid Sessions - Janero sounds exaclty like his mix of rapture till you get to the vocals, it seems like he is getting in the habbit of recycling synths and drum patterns. IMO he just needs to slow down the producing to get a more original angle again.

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Originally posted by [N]?|��[Z] plain and simple... TRANCE NEEDS A NEW TALENT to take it to the forefront again.... cos to be fair, there aint really been anyone else since the ferry armin tijs era, that have achieved the same as what they did

there are just not in that uplifting trance genre...lots of good prog house djs comin gup

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Originally posted by [N]�k|��[Z] plain and simple... TRANCE NEEDS A NEW TALENT to take it to the forefront again.... cos to be fair, there aint really been anyone else since the ferry armin tijs era, that have achieved the same as what they did

aye but back then making normal trance was different, these days uve really gotta think up summat good to make it diffy from what has been done in the past, and as more n more diffy stuff comes, it will be harder n harder to make stuff diffy, take marco v for example, he was innovative and i still enjoy his stuff

Dj Tomcraft Live @ Trance Energy 2003 NEXT SATURDAY

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Originally posted by Dumonde Trancer aye but back then making normal trance was different, these days uve really gotta think up summat good to make it diffy from what has been done in the past, and as more n more diffy stuff comes, it will be harder n harder to make stuff diffy, take marco v for example, he was innovative and i still enjoy his stuff

yeah, good point actually stevey boy. what we need is another machine like the 303 machine.... 303..... still being used to this day and it aint showing signs of tireing yet!

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