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Posted by Dj Fred Lamar on Mar-10-2003 00:50:

Whats an XLR?

I"m thinkin of getting one of these.....is an XLR good to have or something......

BTW, I got some info on the mixer

Suppose to be in stores in about 1-2 months and it will cost about 4-5 lesser than DJM

Posted by amdmaxx on Mar-10-2003 01:30:

It is a connection type, like RCA, only better and can run longer distance..
also known as balanced...

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Fred Lamar
Whats an XLR?

I"m thinkin of getting one of these.....is an XLR good to have or something......

BTW, I got some info on the mixer

Suppose to be in stores in about 1-2 months and it will cost about 4-5 lesser than DJM

Posted by veezee on Mar-10-2003 04:35:

you get what you pay for

JAy

Posted by Phu on Mar-10-2003 06:42:

quote:
Originally posted by amdmaxx
It is a connection type, like RCA, only better and can run longer distance..
also known as balanced...
And u forgot that it also sounds alot better.

Posted by DJ Kibon on Mar-10-2003 07:50:

I'm going to jump in here with an opinion.

If Behringer puts out a mixer for $400 CND, and a fairly similar (at least superficially) mixer from Pioneer is $1600 CND (let's say), there is indeed something going on here.

Question is, why is the Pioneer 3 to 4 times the price? Something to think about...

Posted by Martin McG on Mar-10-2003 10:05:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Kibon
I'm going to jump in here with an opinion.

If Behringer puts out a mixer for $400 CND, and a fairly similar (at least superficially) mixer from Pioneer is $1600 CND (let's say), there is indeed something going on here.

Question is, why is the Pioneer 3 to 4 times the price? Something to think about...

cos pioneer are djm 600 is built like a tank and will last for a LONG time! but no one knows how long the behringer will last

Posted by Special_K on Mar-10-2003 10:39:

XLR's dont make the sound quality better unless your running tons of cable. IF you are at home and there is only about a max of 5 feet from your mixer to your amp, the sound quality will be the same.

XLR's are just pro level RCA's

Posted by Special_K on Mar-10-2003 10:41:

I use Behringer compressors all the time at school. They arnt to good really. Break down a lot.

Its a knockoff, just save the extra cash and get a good mixer that will last you a long time.

The Pioneer mixers are tanks. They will out last you.

Posted by chesco on Mar-10-2003 14:03:

pioneer 600's are a feet of engineering. The eighth wonder of the world if you will. How they make a mixer that good is beyond belief. The fact that they used platic knobs and stuff and still it lasts and lasts and lasts............ is a tribute to pioneer. brilliant.

I would like to see an updated model coming out soon. that really would be something.

Posted by Rememberence_ on Mar-10-2003 18:11:

meanwhile...

/me buys a Xone32

/me blows load

Posted by Special_K on Mar-10-2003 22:53:

Pioneer and Allen&Heath are as good as Dj mixers get. I've used the more expensive models of Vestax and Stanton and although they are pretty good they dont compare to Pioneer, and A&H.

The only thing i dont like about the A&H mixers are the split cue bullshit. I hate it, but other then that its golden

I would say to hell with Behringer when it comes to DJ mixers, if all they are going to do is knock off the big boys in the DJ mixer world then what good are they?

Im sure that company has enough money to invest into designing a quality mixer, untill they do.....F*ck em.

Posted by DJ Kibon on Mar-11-2003 04:01:

I guess my only point is that a portion of the cost of the Pioneer is the "marketing image" of the product.

I certainly won't disagree with your opinions that the DJM-600 and such are built like a tank, and I think that I would look towards purchasing one a year or two from now.

Cheers,

Posted by Dj Fred Lamar on Mar-11-2003 05:53:

I guess I'll be the test subject for this new mixer

Will let u all know how it goes
Anyone else carry to join me any purchasing it when it comes out

Posted by Phu on Mar-11-2003 07:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Special_K
XLR's dont make the sound quality better unless your running tons of cable. IF you are at home and there is only about a max of 5 feet from your mixer to your amp, the sound quality will be the same.

XLR's are just pro level RCA's
What are u talking about of course they make them sound better or maybe its just because your set up isn't as good as mine.

Posted by Martin McG on Mar-11-2003 16:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Fred Lamar
I guess I'll be the test subject for this new mixer

Will let u all know how it goes
Anyone else carry to join me any purchasing it when it comes out

yeah im considering it as well! i know it wont last as long as the pioneer but its half the price

Posted by clubsolutely on Mar-11-2003 18:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Fred Lamar

Anyone else carry to join me any purchasing it when it comes out

me

Posted by JohnSmith on Mar-12-2003 00:42:

quote:
Originally posted by g-money
What are u talking about of course they make them sound better or maybe its just because your set up isn't as good as mine.

Posted by Special_K on Mar-12-2003 07:43:

G-money The salesmen must have had a field day when they saw you walk into the store. You dont know what the hell you're talking about.

There is NO differnce in audio quality between Balnced and unbalanced connections unless you are running meters and meters of cable. XLR's are balanced, so over LONG distances they lower Radio Frequency interferance. But on the flip side from a purist stand point you are running your signal through more electronics (Phase reverse, Signal summing) more electronics means more THD distortion.

So having XLR's on a home system dosnt do shit, and it certainly won't make your system sound any better then anyone elses. This is somthing you should know before spening money on XLR's.

I really hope your last comment was a joke.

Posted by Phu on Mar-12-2003 07:52:

Posted by Phu on Mar-12-2003 08:11:

quote:
Originally posted by JohnSmith

So what is your problem.

Posted by The Greener on Mar-12-2003 11:56:

quote:
Originally posted by The Don
The new "b"allen and heath xoon69

lol

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW that is the BOMB DUDE!!!!!

I heard this was gonna be like $99.99Can and come with free XLR's or RCA's of choice.

Im gonna get one for each room of my house, hehe

Thanks, you ROCK!!!

Posted by The Greener on Mar-12-2003 11:59:

Oh I forgot to ask if it comes in your choice of colors... I am kinda sick of the metallic flake silver.

Posted by The Greener on Mar-12-2003 13:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Special_K
G-money The salesmen must have had a field day when they saw you walk into the store. You dont know what the hell you're talking about.

There is NO differnce in audio quality between Balnced and unbalanced connections unless you are running meters and meters of cable. XLR's are balanced, so over LONG distances they lower Radio Frequency interferance. But on the flip side from a purist stand point you are running your signal through more electronics (Phase reverse, Signal summing) more electronics means more THD distortion.

So having XLR's on a home system dosnt do shit, and it certainly won't make your system sound any better then anyone elses. This is somthing you should know before spening money on XLR's.

I really hope your last comment was a joke.

I was the one that told him to get a mixer with XLR's. But before you start trash talking me look at your post ya liddle shit. You admit XLR's sound better. Contradictive writing style???

XLR's DO SOUND BETTER IN MY HOME!! Breaking down my Gear(Raw Power Amps, Rack, console, ect. )all the time I don't have time to use cable ties and re-route every cable(trust me there is alot of cables.. Power & in/out) They are a Mess!!!There are Power wires running paralell with signal wires, I am constantly relooping things and changing setups to chase that perfect sound yet the 3 conduit xlr's hot,cold, ground don't pick up any noticable interference. Yet the RCA 2 conduit +, - I can gaurantee you will notice it.

The reason I told him to get a mixer with XLR's is simple, a mixer with XLR's in MOST cases gonna have higher quality electronic componets inside and be considered "professional" or "Industrial Use" quality. A mixer without XLR's in MOST Cases is gonna be a light duty "Beadroom DJ" quality product. DO YOU NOT AGREE???

Now your statement and rash comments do have some validity in the Hi-Fi or Audiophile world I agree, but shows your inexperience in the DJ or Pro Audio industry.

As for "more electronics means more THD" I would suggest you get rid of your stomp box quality effects. Exacly the reason I don't like pioneer mixers.
I buy XLR ends and build cables to suit. Its easy and cheap.And BTW don't use your school books against experience, you will loose like you just did.

Don't post shit man..

Posted by tamtui on Mar-12-2003 16:34:

balanced and XLR thoughts

I think for most mixers with XLR outputs and RCA outs the actual signal is different. I understand that XLR balanced outs has a louder signal than RCA's. In the old Urei manual for example it even says that the balanced outputs push out 12 amps versus the unbalanced or RCA's which pushed out like 6 amp signal. Somehow the circiutry in some mixers provide for a stronger signal through the XLRs that is intended to be connected for really long runs. Such as night clubs.

Stanton and Whirlwind make a powered direct box that can change the unbalanced RCA signal to a balanced louder XLR signal which comes in handy and is inteded for long runs out of DJ mixers. Also as Greener pointed out XLR cables also have better specs for grounding and shielding. Not to say that XLR cables don't go bad but they sure can take a beating.

Peace trance people

Posted by Phu on Mar-13-2003 01:28:

All I have to say if u have the balls to say shit then u gotta be able to back it up. This goes toward John Smith And special k Because these 2 morons think they know it all.

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