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Why the anti-Jewish hate:

The Isreali's turned the desert into a jewel. The Arabs turned the desert into a wasteland.

jealousy is an evil thing.

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Why the anti-Jewish hate: The Isreali's turned the desert into a jewel. The Arabs turned the desert into a wasteland. jealousy is an evil thing.

what a 'qualified' statement. I think I have read similar things before. In Third Reich propaganda.

Can we stop putting a huge group of people (religion, nationality, race, whatnot) in one pot?

Re: Re: Honest Reporting

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Originally posted by drizzt81 ok. We have two organizations, who are both 'reasonably' well respected in the western world. Who is right or wrong I cannot determine, due to my lack of military knowledge. You _ASSUME_ that the CNN is correct, and AP is not. WHY? Have you thought that there is a possibility that the CNN is pursuing their own agenda, which may be to foster the war in Israel? I mean to me, there is little evidence, that AP has to be wrong. Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle between the two news reporting agencies? Is there a chance that these missles, for example, could be used in a destructive way, but that compared to the high-tech arsenal, that the Israelis have, it is rather primitive?

Why don�t you go out and do your own research on the Qussam 2 rockets.
AP tries to maker it look like those rockets couldn't harm a fly. Yet those rockets are enough to kill thousands if filled with unconventional weapons. Even with conventional weapons. Would you ever consider a rocket packed with explosives headed towards cities in your country to be irrelevant??? Would you downplay they're immediate danger and try to eliminate it, or would you foster these homicidal attempts by those who have vowed many years ago to extinguish your people�s total existence.

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Why the anti-Jewish hate: The Isreali's turned the desert into a jewel. The Arabs turned the desert into a wasteland. jealousy is an evil thing.

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Originally posted by drizzt81 what a 'qualified' statement. I think I have read similar things before. In Third Reich propaganda. Can we stop putting a huge group of people (religion, nationality, race, whatnot) in one pot?

It's a highly qualified statement dealing with a factor of psychology as to why there is so much hate towards the country of Israel.

I would hardly compare FuzzyGreen's comments to those of the Third Reich. There is no propaganda in FuzzyGreen's comment what-so-ever.
He could have put things more politically correct, by saying that the Arab leadership turned the desert into a wasteland. It's not regular Arab citizen's fault that they're own governments make them live like pigs while they pocket money that�s meant to go to infrastructure and the total development of they're country.

"RACHEL CORRIE, CONTINUED"

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The circumstances of American college student Rachel Corrie's March 16 death beneath an IDF bulldozer in Gaza remain unclear. The key unanswered question: Was Corrie visible and/or audible to the IDF driver just before the accident?

The consumer public got a huge dose of misleading information when
Associated Press distributed a photo showing Corrie, standing in
(apparently) direct view of the bulldozer driver, dressed in orange and speaking into a megaphone in the direction of the oncoming vehicle.

The AP caption reads: "Rachel was run over Sunday by the bulldozer that she was trying to stop from tearing down a building in the Rafah refugee camp, witnesses said."

See the AP photo at:
http://honestreporting.com/a/r/362.asp

The problem with the AP photo caption is that readers are led to believe that this photo depicts the very scene and moment of the accident. The implication is criminal recklessness on the part of the IDF driver.

In fact, however, this photo was NOT taken in the moments before Corrie's death. Joseph Smith, of the pro-Palestinian International Solidarity Movement, was the photographer and wrote a chronological account of the incident (published on pro-Palestinian websites).

Smith says that the photo of Corrie "standing with megaphone" is ascribed to the time period 2pm-4pm. In addition, during this period, Smith notes that the bulldozer "always stopped in time to avoid injuring them."

At the time of Corrie's death (5pm), Smith describes Corrie as "sitting, with arms waving" (no megaphone), and another colleague holding the megaphone from a distance.

Read Smith's account at:
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1284.shtml

Thus, the AP photo and caption fails to note the two most essential
factors in determining visibility or lack thereof: 1) Corrie was no longer standing, but had changed to a sitting position, and 2) she was no longer in possession of attention-grabbing megaphone.

When publishing such a photo, AP is obligated to explain details of
chronology; in the absence of any information, readers presume that since the bulldozer appears 8-10 feet away from Corrie, the photographer must have snapped the picture moments before the bulldozer hit her.

This photo was published by many of the 15,000 media outlets that AP
services. And though the accompanying articles may provide clarifying
information, a picture is worth a thousand words. In this case, by not providing a caption that clearly counterbalances the easy "misread," AP has misrepresented Corrie's death and contributed to a worldwide slander of the IDF.

Please send comments to AP:
[email protected][/email]

* * *
Meanwhile, CNN.com juxtaposed a pair of "before and after" photos, which implied a particularly ambiguous sense of chronology. But when
HonestReporting.com provided additional information, CNN issued a "Caption Clarification." See it at:
http://cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/...eath/index.html

HonestReporting encourages members to monitor your local media to see if they used the misleading photos, as well as what information was provided in the photo caption and/or article itself to counterbalance any misconceptions.


---- GHANDI AND KING? ----

Meanwhile, the Toledo (Ohio) Blade published an editorial that compares Corrie with none less than Mahatma Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr.

Did Corrie truly continue the legacy of Ghandi and King?

As noted in the previous HonestReporting communique, Corrie was
photographed last month burning an American flag in Gaza before young
schoolchildren (http://honestreporting.com/graphics/articles/corrie.jpg).
One wonders if the two true giants of human rights struggle would be
flattered by the comparison with the woman who appears in these photos.

Read the Toledo Blade editorial at:
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dl...D=2003103190095

Comments to the Managing Editor, Kurt Franck:
[email][email protected]

Melech is a racist end of story

everything he says should be deemed uncredible due to the intent on what he is trying to prove. HE is simply using the tactic to enrage arabs to make his point clear

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Its not me who's showing the world what Arabs equal; its the whole Arab world showing the the rest of us who they are, and what they equal. And frankly, its pretty damn frightening!!!

EQUALITY

buddy have you heard of this?.. I would think that since you are Israeli you would be all for it.. after all jewish people were targeted by hitler. You are imposing the same motive as hitler did on the jews. Is it vengance on your mind or what?.. snap out of it man..

its about who you are as a PERSON not where your from

PEOPLE = PEOPLE
JEWS = ARABS
and so forth and so forth

so

do yourself a favor

and STFU... im sure many people will agree that racism is intolerable

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Analysis: Ze'ev Schiff on lessons from a crowded marketplace By Ze'ev Schiff, Haaretz Correspondent The incident in which two guided missiles hit a crowded marketplace in Baghdad should make it easier for the Americans, particularly the military experts among them, to better understand what happened during the heavy fighting in which the Israel Defense Forces was involved in the Jenin refugee camp almost a year ago. This holds particularly true with respect to the American general who was supposed to head the UN committee looking into the Jenin battle and who said that Israel had committed war crimes there, even though he had not visited the site to investigate the battle. What happened Wednesday in the Baghdad marketplace was not surprising; it was predictable. It happened a few times during the war in Afghanistan too. The most sophisticated and precise weapons or bombs can sometimes miss their targets, or be even slightly off-target, as can the military intelligence based on which they are launched. Moreover, as we have learned from Israel's wars, it is not always possible to know if there will be civilians close to the target. Israel lost 23 men in the Jenin refugee camp battle. It is possible that fewer IDF soldiers would have died had they been allowed to open fire indiscriminately. The proposal at the time to drop a guided bomb from a gunship was ruled out, partly due to expectations of American criticism. The lessons to be learned from Wednesday's incident in Baghdad are particularly important for the British media, which, to this day, have not retracted vociferous charges of a massacre on the part of the IDF in Jenin. This type of incident is likely to repeat itself if the battle for Baghdad widens in scope. If American troops enter residential areas of Baghdad, their losses will likewise increase. This is war, and this is the price of war; but small nations like Israel have to be more cautious than great powers. The most obvious enemy for the coalition forces in Iraq over the past few days has been the stormy weather. It has held up the Americans' progress toward the Iraqi capital, and the Iraqis were quick to utilize it to their advantage. After realizing that the dust storms would make it difficult for the Americans to send their aircraft into the skies, the Iraqis began a counter-offensive near Najaf. True, the attack got them nowhere, but it proved that they have not yet capitulated. They will no doubt seek out further local military initiatives that will bring the world's cameras to the scene - whether to show another few American POWs, or fragments from a helicopter, or a drone that has been brought down. Clearly, the Iraqis made prolonged preparations for the war. Proof of this is that they are able to quickly restart TV broadcasts that are knocked out, or major communications systems that are hit. The assumption is that they succeeded in laying down communications systems based on optic fibers in strategic places. Such a system is not easily disrupted as its components are buried deep underground. All of this can merely serve to delay the ultimate defeat of the Iraqi forces, but it cannot prevent it.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit Melech is a racist end of story everything he says should be deemed uncredible due to the intent on what he is trying to prove. HE is simply using the tactic to enrage arabs to make his point clear

The racism remarks in all your messages directed towards me will not be addressed as i deem it to be a cheap slanderous remark aimed at defaming my character.

What are my intentions?
I am here not to "prove" anything, although sometimes it may be warrented.
I am here to educate those who i feel are misinformed.
I am here to voice my opinion as a citizen of a free society.
My views, beliefs, and opinions are no less valid than yours.

I havent seen you around here before so i dont know where you stand on a few major issues that will paint a clearer picture of who you are.

I will not address the rest of your post.

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Originally posted by melech_mike The racism remarks in all your messages directed towards me will not be addressed as i deem it to be a cheap slanderous remark aimed at defaming my character. What are my intentions? I am here not to "prove" anything, although sometimes it may be warrented. I am here to educate those who i feel are misinformed. I am here to voice my opinion as a citizen of a free society. My views, beliefs, and opinions are no less valid than yours. I havent seen you around here before so i dont know where you stand on a few major issues that will paint a clearer picture of who you are. I will not address the rest of your post.

why dont you ask me and ill tell you? im not making any racist comments what so ever.. you are the one that is making them


i am saying that all people are equal while you are trying to prove your thesis that all arabs are evil

i ask you again.. what do you wish to accomplish by digging up old facts and spreading propoganda.

i have not once mentioned an article about Israeli soldiers killing innocent palestinians.. or vice versa.. since im about solutions that deal with all people as equals.

YOUR opinions ARE FAR LESS valid then mine because you only look at the story from one direction.. answer Me this.. where is the other side to the story? and stop spreading propoganda..

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Its not me who's showing the world what Arabs equal; its the whole Arab world showing the the rest of us who they are, and what they equal. And frankly, its pretty damn frightening!!!

this is an empty statement

just a plane racist generalization

you should appologize for this

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit why dont you ask me and ill tell you? im not making any racist comments what so ever.. you are the one that is making them i am saying that all people are equal while you are trying to prove your thesis that all arabs are evil i ask you again.. what do you wish to accomplish by digging up old facts and spreading propoganda. i have not once mentioned an article about Israeli soldiers killing innocent palestinians.. or vice versa.. since im about solutions that deal with all people as equals. YOUR opinions ARE FAR LESS valid then mine because you only look at the story from one direction.. answer Me this.. where is the other side to the story? and stop spreading propoganda..

Damn right!

"SADDAM'S PALESTINIAN CHEERLEADERS"

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As allied forces march toward Baghdad (where you will find the busy
commercial district Yasser Arafat Street), the Palestinian populace and leadership are engaging in frequent pro-Saddam and anti-American
demonstrations.

The Boston Globe ran this front-page headline (March 24): "Hussein Support Wide in West Bank" (http://honestreporting.com/a/r/366.asp). And l'Agence France-Presse (AFP) reports that last Friday alone, some 30,000 Palestinians took to the streets in the West Bank and Gaza to demonstrate support for Saddam. (http://honestreporting.com/a/r/367.asp)

Lest one think that this outpouring is only directed against America (for its support of Israel), Palestinians have likewise been targeting the British. This week, Palestinians threw firebombs at a Ramallah branch of the British Middle East Bank. Palestinian sources reported that the assailants apparently targeted the bank in protest against British support for the use of military force in Iraq. (Haaretz) LINK:
http://honestreporting.com/a/r/368.asp

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Here we present a sampling of recent pro-Saddam activity by Palestinians:
(1) In the northern Gaza town of Beit Hanoun, about 700 Palestinians, most of them schoolchildren, waved Iraqi flags and posters of Saddam and burned U.S. flags, shouting "Death to America, death to Bush!" and "We will sacrifice our soul and our blood for Saddam!"

In Gaza City, a Palestinian Cabinet minister, Abdel Aziz Shaheen, told a crowd of about 1,500, "This is a war against all Arabs and Muslims."
(Associated Press) LINK: http://honestreporting.com/a/r/369.asp

(2) The most popular name bestowed upon male Palestinian babies recently born in Nablus (the largest West Bank city) is "Saddam." An al-Kuds Nablus correspondent describes a state of euphoria in the town each time it becomes known that a US helicopter has been downed or American soldiers killed or captured by the Iraqis: "Drivers start honking their horns, passersby start chanting and others fire shots into the air." (Jerusalem Post) LINK: http://honestreporting.com/a/r/370.asp

(3) Saddam's open financial support for Palestinian terror has not ceased, despite the war. Last week, $30,000 in checks from the Iraqi dictator was handed to families of Palestinian "martyrs" in a public Gazan forum, under a picture of a merry Saddam. (AFP) LINK:
http://honestreporting.com/a/r/371.asp

(4) In Gaza, a crowd of 200 Palestinian journalists demonstrated in
support of Saddam. (We wonder how many of these journalists work for AP, Reuters, BBC...) LINK: http://honestreporting.com/a/r/372.asp

(5) Palestinians crammed Gaza shops this week to buy Iraqi flags, glossy pictures of Saddam Hussein, T-shirts, and American flags to set ablaze at a fervent demonstration against the war. (Associated Press) LINK: http://honestreporting.com/a/r/373.asp

(6) A Gazan Hamas leader opined that Iraqis should follow the Palestinian model and launch "martyrdom operations, using explosive belts against the American and British soldiers." (The New York Times) LINK: http://honestreporting.com/a/r/374.asp

(7) [In Bethlehem], thousands of demonstrators marched in support of Iraq, burning U.S. flags and chanting, "Oh beloved Saddam, fire chemical weapons at Tel Aviv!" (AFP) LINK: http://honestreporting.com/a/r/375.asp

(8) Beyond these examples is a deeper, more formal connection: "Electronic Intifada" (http://electronicIntifada.net), the popular pro-Palestinian website catering to English-speaking audiences, is also the publisher of the pro-Saddam "Electronic Iraq" (http://electroniciraq.net/news/).

* * *
---- HISTORICAL BACKGROUND ----

Palestinian support for dictators whom Western democracies battle to
uproot is by no means new. Recall:

- The warm brotherhood between Hitler and the most influential Palestinian leader, Amin Al Husseini, who lived in Germany during World War Two and organized Nazi Muslim troops. (see
http://www.tellchildrenthetruth.com/gallery)

- The 1991 Gulf War, when Yasser Arafat stood almost alone among world leaders in supporting Saddam Hussein. (see
http://www.ummahnews.com/viewarticle.php?sid=1095)

- Celebrations throughout the West Bank and Gaza in the wake of September 11. (see http://honestreporting.com/a/r/376.asp, and photos at http://www.honestreporting.com/grap...s/celebrate.jpg)

thats good you can cut and paste propoganda

how in anyway does this proove that all arabs are evil

face it your simply racist against all arabs

I am an arab and i have jewish friends.. can you say the same?
can i ask you a personal question to see if you have arab friends?

probably not because you are too submerged into your propoganda, you judge people by their history and not their personality and you generalize to the point where you make racist remarks


intolerable.. again

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit thats good you can cut and paste propoganda how in anyway does this proove that all arabs are evil face it your simply racist against all arabs I am an arab and i have jewish friends.. can you say the same? can i ask you a personal question to see if you have arab friends? probably not because you are too submerged into your propoganda, you judge people by their history and not their personality and you generalize to the point where you make racist remarks intolerable.. again

dude chill out, so what if he pasted? i didnt see any remark saying all arabs are evil, did you? instead of whining and bickering dont you think it would be more constructive to talk about the content of what was written? refute that instead of making it personal. what i saw was solid evidence or at least reporting of palestinians rallying in support of saddam, its definitely a matter worthy of discussion.

my input on the matter is this...
i belive that the majority of palestinians live under their opressive regime which has control over most if not all of the media outlets. it would be not be surprising to see a brainwashing effect, or at least a follow the crowd syndrome. when one lives in an enviornment filled with hate, not much good can come out of it. it is sad to see the common palestinian's misery and suffering being abused and taken advantage of for the purpose of extremism and violence by those who are in power and have intentions that are not nessacirly for the good of the people

did anyone read about this in the news .. ?

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/intern...d.ap/index.html

i wonder if it'll cause some Arab based hackers to hack CNN.com lol..

how convienient. The most objective news source is attacked by Americans. Now to be seen, if US authorities will try to find them and punish them.

About the racism thing... Would you guys still call it racism if it in fact was not based on race ? As much as I've seen so far Mike's resentment towards Arabs is due to :
A) Their violence and anti- Jew behaviours of large-scale collectives
B) The way several Arab states shape their policy

If he thinks these are important issues, he is entitled to try to convince us of it.
Mike never said ALL Arabs are anti-Jews (He even mentioned having a few Arab friends if I recall correctly), he always places the blames organizations, communities or official bodies... Nothing racial about that, if I say that France's policy is anti- American and that 80% of the French are cowards afraid of war that doesn't mean I have anything against ALL French people or that I hate any of them based on racial terms....

ok.....here's what i have to say about this thread and the other threads.....

melech_mike..... listen dude..... i'm really not sure what ur intentions are, or what ur trying to achieve thru all this...but, here's the way i look at it.

From what i've seen, u are obviously a right-winged Israeli. which you even admitted. You have great pride in your country, and you believe it's one of the best.

You're entitled to form your own opinion!

SO ARE OTHER PEOPLE!

People on this planet think differently, and if they didn't, we wouldn't have so much conflict.

if i remember correctly, you once said you feel that the people here are mislead, and want to bring out the truth to these boards....

from what i see, almost every post you made viewed Israel in a positive way. That Everything Israel did was justified, that arabs are the ones who provoked these conflicts because of their hatred towards jews, and that news and everyone else is biased towards Israel.
These are things that you've inferred. And if that's not the case, then maybe you should of presented/communicated it in another way, because that's the messege some ppl got...

I don't think it's right when ppl try to impose their ideas onto others..... What right is to show ppl both sides of, or if not show them what you think, and let them formulate their own opinion!

The people who contradicted your views, you refered to them as being Biased!!! and Ignorant!

You tell ppl to fuck off because they disagree with you! And you tell ppl who post to support their arguments, and when they do, you claim that they are biased sources and nothing but propoganda.

And yet you question why ppl can't stand your posts!

I think the term "right-winged" speaks for itself.

KEEP THIS IN MIND!

Most of us (the older TA's) here have already had these discussions! We've had soo many threads on this topic. They were definatly more productive than any of your threads!
After having those discussions, i believe ppl formed their own opinions, and the topic was left alone because everyone realized that there is always going to be 2 sides to the stories, and therefore, kept on going in circles!

I don't care if you want to dedicate your whole life to convince ppl, but there are alot of ppl here that don't want to talk about it anymore....They are sick of it!!!!!!!
Instead of argueing who should be blamed and who's right! Why don't you talk about ways this conflict could be solved! That's something worth discussing!


DROP THE FUCKING CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Izzy dude chill out, so what if he pasted? i didnt see any remark saying all arabs are evil, did you? instead of whining and bickering dont you think it would be more constructive to talk about the content of what was written? refute that instead of making it personal. what i saw was solid evidence or at least reporting of palestinians rallying in support of saddam, its definitely a matter worthy of discussion. my input on the matter is this... i belive that the majority of palestinians live under their opressive regime which has control over most if not all of the media outlets. it would be not be surprising to see a brainwashing effect, or at least a follow the crowd syndrome. when one lives in an enviornment filled with hate, not much good can come out of it. it is sad to see the common palestinian's misery and suffering being abused and taken advantage of for the purpose of extremism and violence by those who are in power and have intentions that are not nessacirly for the good of the people

The way he talks to arabs and the way he is spamming posts is acting like propoganda.. im arabic of course.. i am just trying to defend my race.. I DONT THINK MY RACE IS SUPERIOR OR INFERIOR TO THAT OF ISRAEL.. thats why I dont counter with a pointless spam of some Israeli that killed some palestinians and had to tell about it... the fact is that the palestinians are in a worse position than the israelis in palestine.. whose fault is it?.. maybe it was the arabs fault.. but now they are being opressed and most of their homeland is gone.. what now? FIND A SOLUTION don't start spreading propoganda.. thats solves nothing it just makes people thing "OH LOOK AT THOSE ARABS.. PATHETIC" and that is the message that melech mike is trying to portray.. that IN FACT IS pathetic.. thats why i call him a racist.. because he feels that he and his race is superior.. all people are created equal one way or another.. everything is relative.. you have alot of money.. great thats good.. does it make you happy? maybe.. but your not hte happiest person in the world.. some people are fat.. muscular skinny.. arab jew chinese etc.. there is no scale to judge these people by.. so why thwart meaningless articles which demean people, say things like

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melech mike wrote: Its not me who's showing the world what Arabs equal; its the whole Arab world showing the the rest of us who they are, and what they equal. And frankly, its pretty damn frightening!!!

WHAT DOES THIS ENTAIL. pure racism .. what do the ARABS EQUAL.. PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK BECAUSE I REALLY WANT TO KNOW STRAIGHT UP WHAT YOU THINK!

ive seen the way he talks back to most arabs that post.. with pure disrespect and inferiority..

Ive been subtle before.. but i cant stand people just washing this back and forth like its nothing..

so this is my stance on that issue..

palestinians rallying for saddam.. of course they would.. because the US just RUSHED Into iraq.. ignored the UN and is planning a mass take over of the country.. the people feel angry about this.. and thats why they are protesting.. think about it.. there is no weapons of mass destruction yet for the 50000000 time that ive been mentioning it.. and no real reason to go into iraq.. of course that would cause an uprage and protest.. heck 2 billion people around the world are protesting IT.

ill say it again

ARABS = JEWS = AMERICAN = ANY OTHER RACE.. they are all people last time I checked with my doctor lol

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Originally posted by oDrori Mike never said ALL Arabs are anti-Jews (He even mentioned having a few Arab friends if I recall correctly), he always places the blames organizations, communities or official bodies... Nothing racial about that, if I say that France's policy is anti- American and that 80% of the French are cowards afraid of war that doesn't mean I have anything against ALL French people or that I hate any of them based on racial terms....

HE never mentioned anything about having arab friends last time i checked.. i dont think he would if he talked about them the way he did in the forums...


IF you called all french people cowards that would be a vulgar remark towards teh french which is in fact not racist but very derogatory towards the french people since i dont think being french is a race?

SAME thing.. its an illegitimate generalization

to even say that all arab regimes are corrupt is similar.. all regimes have their strong points and weak points.. look at the US now.. they have a president who can do whatever he wants with his vito right wiht out the approval of the people

he basically said no to the whole world and got away with it

The palestinian regime has little control over its people and could be thought of to be corrupt

the way the Israeli government deals with palestinians is somewhat immoral.. they should resolve their issues diplomatically the way they were doing at one point to avoid terrorism etc

I THINK

this is just examples how a greater solution needs to be used to solve problems.. a method which is humane and diplomatic..

War is a thing of the past.. we have the inteligence as humans to deal with matter by other means i would hope

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Originally posted by melech_mike flame... what am i posting that has 'flame' in it? How the fuck do you know what they are trying to do, have they updated you and no one else? I'd like to ask you not to post ignorant comments like this, you do not know why it was originally taken down, and no excuse from you will justify they're actions. It's up to the MOD who took down the thread to justify why it was taken down to the rest of the forum! I dont want this thread to be all up in flames, i simply want TA's to see the inequality of media coverage that is so prevalent around the world today against Israel.

For one thing, you are using fucking profanity all the time in your fucking responses.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz For one thing, you are using fucking profanity all the time in your fucking responses.

The way i swear is not flaming... its my way of expressing myself. It's frustration if anything... please dont mistake my profanity for flaming!

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The language of deceit By Richard L. Benkin March 26, 2003 I recently read an IDF dispatch about a thwarted terrorist incident in the Gaza District. It referred to an "Israeli community" near Rafiah, on the "Israeli-Egyptian" border. The dispatch gave me pause, not because the incident was surprising, nor because the IDF's terminology seemed audacious, but because virtually all media outlets adopt the politically loaded and historically inaccurate terms foisted on us by the anti-Israeli lobby. Language has the power to form the concepts we use to discuss and understand a situation or series of events. By adopting anti-Israeli terminology, we have allowed Israel's enemies to define the conflict. For instance, when we say the territories are "occupied," we agree with the assumption that the Israelis are occupiers. Now, we might argue that the occupation is justified by self-defense needs, the Arabs' unwillingness to prevent terror attacks on Israeli citizens, or in some other way. Whatever reason we use, however, we have allowed that the Israeli presence is only justified by specific dangers. Our words declare that once the danger passes, Israel would be engaging in hostile action. In short, we have conceded this important point, which is very much in dispute. This is the logic behind the so-called "road map." The development of definition was so subtle that we often unknowingly reinforce it in our own utterances. It's about time that we change that. Thus, I thought it worthwhile to identify these terms, so that we might be aware of the writer's active or passive involvement in their politically biased message. More than that, we must avoid using them and create a new dynamic, one that recognizes the legitimacy of Israel's positions. We should also fight the unconscious use and acceptance of these terms in the media with our own letters and articles. "Occupied Territories." The world has come to accept that all the territory outside of the 1948 Armistice line is "occupied." This is most destructive and factually incorrect. If that land was occupied, its occupiers were in succession Turks, British, Egyptians, and Jordanians. Yet, the world media and pundits never referred to the territory as occupied then. On the other hand, those lands had been considered as much a part of historic Palestine as Tel Aviv and Nazareth. In 1921, the British created Jordan from the lion's share of historic Palestine, barring Jewish settlement there. All the land west of the Jordan remained an undivided area for a Jewish homeland. Parts of that land were only separated from that historic connection by virtue of the Jordanian and Egyptian military occupation of the areas between 1948 and 1967. The Six-Day War re-established the centuries-old unity. The appropriate - and more accurate - terms are "disputed territories," "lands freed from Arab occupation," or "Judea, Samaria, and the Gaza District." And while we're at it, why is the land only called "occupied" when the alleged occupiers are Jews? "Settlement(s)." The term, settlement, has come to connote something illegal - a collection of buildings whose residents are nothing more than squatters on someone else's property. And much like the term, occupied, this too, is applied only to the Jewish people. It is most ironic that the media refer to Kiryat Arba, outside of Hevron as a settlement. Maps of biblical Israel clearly show Kiryat Arba in its current location. In fact, the Bible is replete with evidence of a strong Israelite presence in the Hevron area. Hevron, for instance, was King David's first capital. Going back even further, Abraham purchased that land in order to have a burial site for his family. Moreover, there was a continuous Jewish presence in Hevron up until 1929 when the Jewish population was attacked by Arab mobs, whipped up by the long discredited anti-Jewish blood libel. Sixty-seven Jews were murdered; the rest of the community was dispersed. Since 1967, Jews have returned to homes that were stolen from them then denied to them. They live in "Israeli communities," "communities in YESHA," but not in settlements. "The West Bank." The west bank of the Jordan River (note the capitalization) could be said to include all lands between the river and the sea. There never was nor is there now any political or geographical area formally designated as the West Bank. To use that term suggests there is - and that we can segregate that area from legitimate Israeli territory. By doing so, we again open the door wide to call any Israeli presence there illegitimate. A more accurate designation of the area is "Judea and Samaria," "YESHA" (which also includes Gaza), or "territory formerly occupied by Jordan." "East Jerusalem." Capitalizing East Jerusalem ipso facto declares Jerusalem to be a divided city, in sharp contrast to Israeli policy, and the facts of history. We do not speak of East Paris or North Montreal. It once made sense to talk about East Berlin, for that was a political division. In fact, Jerusalem always was a united city, except for the period of Jordanian occupation between 1948 and 1967. Just as the fall of communism reunited a divided Berlin, the Six Day War reunited Jerusalem. Let us not re-divide it with our words. Terms that are more accurate would be "eastern Jerusalem," "the Old City of Jerusalem," "the section of Jerusalem previously occupied by Jordan." "Palestinian lands." There is no alternate expression for this term. We simply need to avoid it. What exactly do we mean with this phrase? Are we defining lands that Israel should cede? More importantly, use of the term Palestinian to refer to Arabs with some claim to lands west of the Jordan River is of recent vintage. There is no Palestinian culture or ethnicity distinguishable from that of other Middle Eastern Arabs. Palestine itself was a term imposed by the Romans with the express purpose of eradicating any Jewish vestige in the area. We should use the term carefully and sparingly. "Gaza-Egyptian Border (or any variant)." Speaking of a border between Gaza and another country (including Israel) or the west bank and another country gives credence to the political position that these areas are formal entities and must be treated as such, and rips them from the rest of Israel. It is historically incorrect as well because the pre-1967 "borders" of Israel never have been recognized as such-not by Israel, not by the Arab world, or by the rest of the world. They are armistice lines, never formalized with a treaty of peace. This is an important front on which each one of us can be a soldier in Israel's defense. Instead of a gun, our weapon of choice can be a pen.

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Originally posted by melech_mike The way i swear is not flaming... its my way of expressing myself. It's frustration if anything... please dont mistake my profanity for flaming!

I know. I was kidding.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek how convienient. The most objective news source is attacked by Americans. Now to be seen, if US authorities will try to find them and punish them.

Hardly THE MOST objective ... it's partly funded by the government of Qatar. It's just as bad as CNN in that it bears some Arab bias.

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