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Originally posted by liquidxxd i think what really gets to the artists, like j00f said is that they make new songs, and before they are even released, they get on the web. personally, i think that is good, because they get exposure before the track has been released, that way everyone who likes it enough is going to buy it. i mean come on, most of airwave's vinyls have been sold out. i can imagine people not wanting to spend money on his cd, as it didnt have a whole list of new tracks, and those could easily be downloaded (i got the cd though). but i think he is being too narrow minded. he is looking at all the bad that has happened in the past few weeks with lightning closing. how bad mp3s are and how much they hurt him. but i think that mp3s have only helped him. i dont think i would have known of airwave or any of his other aliases without mp3 and yes i have bought vinyls done by airwave and other aliases. "when shit hits the fan, it is always easier to look towards something else and say it is the reason, rather than sitting back and looking at the bigger picture to see what is really there". what is really there is that there was bad management. even though lightning might deny it, it is obvious. he supposedly hates other record companies, but he has just been home with lightning too long. i am pretty sure he is friend with tiesto, as lots of his tracks are played by tiesto, he could go to black hole and probably do fine there getting along with people, i mean you dont have to go into a place being a dick or anything. hey, but i dont know, he knows people love his music, maybe he is trying to get back at all the people that like it a lot and only download it. because i think you cannot say you love a persons music if you have not paid for a piece of their work. anyways, it is not the end of electronica music genre. there are so many brilliant musical minds in this world probably working in their bedrooms right now on some unbelieveable music. even if airwave is gone, someone will fill the gap, it is always like that for anything. there will be another producer more brilliant than him, even though this is true, it is still sad to see one of my favorites go, if he does decide to do that.

summed up my thoughts beautifully

I believe it's just a temporary crisis: And we shouldn't take it as a bad thing, because that's when the best ideas come up

edit: Are you talking about electronic music as a whole? No mate, it's not dying at all... the scene is huge and trance is just part of it. There are several other interesting genres

um, electronic music is still going GOD DAMN strong. trance, has been dieing the past year or so.
wow, airwave and bonzai are stopping/dead ? perhaps they should get some innovation rather then continuing to release the same fuckin shit over and over.

putting the mp3s to blame is just as retarded.. i know im not the only one who would buy a artist album if a good portion of the tracks are quality, and i buy 5 vinyl a week, if anything, mp3s are publicity for unknown tracks for me.

yknow, airwave, push and co probably got awesome sales on there first ever record, its just when they release a 'new' tune, noone wants to buy the same track twice :/

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Originally posted by Nell l-vee can quit if he wants, i couldnt give a flying fuck, it will make room for an even more talented producer hopefully.

WORD !!!! i agree 100%

Excellent post, Nell

Record sales to not make up even a fraction of the salaries of the artist. Everyone knows the record sales get divided up between a billion people before a cent gets to the artist. Where the artist makes his money is at concert/live events. How do they promote those events? their music. Simple as that. How do you think pop groups survive? their poor albums are on the net 2 months before retail, yet they sell out majorly at concerts. Imo its bad marketing by lightning records, and obviously a lot of crap released which money was lost on.

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Originally posted by liquidxxd i also wanted to mention, that i think if the artists are active on the boards (unless he is like pvd who gets alot of money from gigs and shit), if they are active on the boards, i think more people will buy from them. like we have plastic angel, who was active, i havent seen him post recently, and dave dresden comes on here too. but also artists like airbase, he is active on here, giving us samples of his new tracks and what not. them being here and talking to us, i dont know, maybe it makes you feel special or something, that you have the privilege of talking to one of your favorite artists or something. makes you like them more, and you want to support them more even if the tune isnt even that good. its just the fact you feel like they are your friend and you want to support them more. what does everyone else think about more artist participation in the forums>?

Ralphie B also posts a bit as well doesn't he? Anyways, it does make you feel special when those types of producers come on here to interact with the fans. They take the time out of their schedule and for that, I give them major respect. I wish that alot more producers/dj's would do this. Just a couple posts a week/month would be dope. I mean that would take like what? An hour a day?



I'd love to see some labels Annual Reports. Just to see how many records they sold before mp3's as compared to know.

Does anyone know when mp3's first were created?

I originally listened to mp3s and CDs, but then decided to invest in a pair of turntables. Now mp3s are not only a source of my music, but a way by which I can preview purchases. I certainly have and share mp3 files, but I also spend a crapload of money on vinyl despite the fact that there really aren't many people to play trance to here in the States. I doubt I would have even considered buying turntables and vinyl without first having exposure to mp3s. In light of this, the claim that I'm doing something wrong by collecting music digitally makes little sense to me.

But CD albums are a bit different. I purchase vinyl singles, but have less inclination to buy CD albums because of the price and their online availibility. The solution to this is a) for artists to make sure that their albums are worth buying, b) for recent anti-burning CD technology to be more widely used, and c) for record companies to stop overpricing CD albums.

Contrary to some other comments I've read, I think the transition from vinyl to CD that many DJs are already taking will be a major blow to the electronic music industry. Unless the price of CD singles is lowered drastically (as it definitely can be), everyone will begin burning collections over buying them.

One thing is for sure: mp3s aren't going anywhere. Considering that CDs are on the way to becoming the medium of choice for DJs, companies better chop prices fast to save themselves and their artists in the near future. The problem is much more the control of record companies rather than anything the producers alone can do; middlemen executives have profited unjustly for too long.

Of course, with increasing bandwidth and an increasingly digital-only music technology industry (i.e. mp3 players), there's going to be some major changes once CD quality can be easily replicated in a file of managable size. Record companies are going to have to change dramatically or go down like the Hindenburg. This may entail becoming online vendors of sorts, but any future looks pretty dismal for them compared to the profits they've enjoyed thus far.

Unfortunately this means there will be less profit incentive for artists, and some may drop out such as L-Vee has decided to. It's pretty much inevitable.

yes, in order to leave vinyl behind cd prices must be cut
more money should go to the artist and much much less to the middlemen
this would reduce the cost of cds (customers happy)
perhaps increase artists salaries (producers happy)
less money for those overpaid middlemen (they're not happy but they should be happy to get any money, the current system is a joke)

if the price cuts were appropriate only the cheapest leeches would prefer to download and burn rather than buy
everyone prefers to have a genuine cds anyway, cdrs look tacky and don't have proper covers

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Originally posted by vito i think now would be a good time to have the scene evolve from vinyl to cd, for me the fact that vinyl wears out, alone makes it useless its cheaper to produce and sell cds so everyones happier and if music sales are a genuine problem this would help you don't need decks to play cds, but if your a dj you can get decks to play them

i think it would have a contrary effect. someone said in this thread that the problem is the cd-burner, which is true. as long as cd-burners exist, people will keep copying and making cd's of their own. so releasing cd singles instead of vinyls would not help at all. it is very easy to just sit in your chair, download a track for free and burn it than to go to the record store and pay a fair amount of money for it..

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yknow, airwave, push and co probably got awesome sales on there first ever record, its just when they release a 'new' tune, noone wants to buy the same track twice

this is true. although these artists have a unique sound, you don't want to buy a track that's very similar to the previous one. mp3 has made it possible to discover new talent. a few years ago, we depended on radio stations and clubs to know about new releases. they mainly played tracks by popular artists, so we only knew a few producers. now, because of mp3, we get to know a myriad of others, different types of sound and arrangement. music business is management, innovation is an important factor. that's why:

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The superstar producer/dj may die because they lose their exclusive advantage

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