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applications of ghb

intermediate in manufacturing pyrolidones

pestisides, herbicies

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb_datasheet.pdf

"slight narcotic effects"

doesnt say anything about injestion. May be drug users should take a chemistry class and try out those 'yummy' chemicals, im sure they will find more drugs to get themselves high with

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Originally posted by trancefeen02 you people are ridiculous..you say that it is ok in moderation...??have you ever even tried this GHB yourselves? the drug is mainly used to make you a freakin zombie...yeah the muscle heads use it but look at them most of them are fucked out of there minds(and no not in a good way!)there big goofy and SLOW. not to mention most of them are 30+and balding! HT81 you describe this as too good to be true!! well it is ..all you people who are talking highly of this ..are messed up...and you even tell people where to get it!!??? thats fucked. you wouldn't be speaking so highly of this stuff if anyone you knew died from taking it...NO ONE HAS EVEN MENTIONED THAT YOU CAN DIE FROM THIS..you talk about moderation but do u have any idea what moderation is?? if you take more then 1/2 a cap you can over dose!!i haven't seen anyone post that? i also haven't seen anyone post the fact that thousands of girls get raped because of this shit! people get misinformed by idiots like you then they take it thinking its not that bad..then look what happens...why don't you people think before you post shit! half of you people probably don't even know what your talking about..reading something off the net is diferent then having real life examples..its sad i can actually post the bad side of this drug from experience while some of you have the balls to post that this shit is ok in moderation cuz they did a little research..lol..on the net!

i like your thoughts on this

the phrase "everything in moderation" should be restricted to other things, but chemicals are a different story.

wooo cyanide in moderation

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Originally posted by Dmatrox i like your thoughts on this the phrase "everything in moderation" should be restricted to other things, but chemicals are a different story. wooo cyanide in moderation

Thanks Dmatrox ..honestly some people should really think about what they say before they post it..some of the things people say are unreal !! it's ignorant people like this that get people killed with their misinformed information!

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Originally posted by trancefeen02 you people are ridiculous..you say that it is ok in moderation...??have you ever even tried this GHB yourselves? the drug is mainly used to make you a freakin zombie...yeah the muscle heads use it but look at them most of them are fucked out of there minds(and no not in a good way!)there big goofy and SLOW. not to mention most of them are 30+and balding! HT81 you describe this as too good to be true!! well it is ..all you people who are talking highly of this ..are messed up...and you even tell people where to get it!!??? thats fucked. you wouldn't be speaking so highly of this stuff if anyone you knew died from taking it...NO ONE HAS EVEN MENTIONED THAT YOU CAN DIE FROM THIS..you talk about moderation but do u have any idea what moderation is?? if you take more then 1/2 a cap you can over dose!!i haven't seen anyone post that? i also haven't seen anyone post the fact that thousands of girls get raped because of this shit! people get misinformed by idiots like you then they take it thinking its not that bad..then look what happens...why don't you people think before you post shit! half of you people probably don't even know what your talking about..reading something off the net is diferent then having real life examples..its sad i can actually post the bad side of this drug from experience while some of you have the balls to post that this shit is ok in moderation cuz they did a little research..lol..on the net!

First of all... I think you are jumping to some conclusions. Remember chicken little? That is you... where i am from, we call people like YOU, Idiots. It is people like you that run around screaming and raving with out thinking like chicken with it's head cut off causeing some pointless mass Hysteria, blowing stupid shit out of proportion.
(you must post in the politcal forum alot, huh?)
any how, why don't you take a minute to re-read what i posted and you'll notice:

1. I never once condoned or encouraged the use of any substance, of any kind, what so ever.

2. I never said that any long term or short term use of any drug was of any benefit, to any one.

3. I simply used the fact that GHB based products are still on the shelves today to support my claim that it's original useages, were "body-enhancement" oriented; not to advertise where he can buy it. besides, you think United States would allow a controlled substance this lethal to be sold in stores over the counter? You fucking shmuck......

4. as for my sources, I said I not only found information on the internet, but a public library, here in Boston. I would never, entirely base my information solely off the internet...lol, had you read my post, you would have seen that.

It's obvious that the drug is extremely deadly as other people have posted (had you read all the posts before jumping to the last page) there were countless negative posts where women and men alike were claiming the worst nights of there life. the fact that i quoted "moderation is the key" was intended for the using of any substance. It was my advice to any MORON that would go though with taking any risky substance for any reason. It was a statment of caution and controlled use....... me screaming and yelling and typing IN CAPS, calling people names is not going to stop any one from doing anything. it's only going to make me look like an IDIOT,running around with his head cut off (we making a connection yet?). but at least by talking subtly i could say something on a friendly level. so if some one did use it, they would proceed with caution from some friendly warning, rather than some ASSHOLE forcing their opinion on some one else because of their own personal and obviously foolish mistakes; what ever they may be.

and on a personal note.......
trancefeen02, I don't like you, or people like you. I don't care who you are or where your from; I don't like you. It's not because you were concerned for some one's well being, (because your intent was good,) it's not because you were posting your opinion (because we are all entitled that I don't like you, cause you do not think before you act. I don't like you cause you point fingers. you are judgmental based on opinion and heresy and for that i can't respect you. I think people like you should sorted out, and banned from TA, so other TA's can post their opinions and ideas with out being flammed.

had you a good argument, and took the time to write out something somewhat intelligent, we all could have learned something. It's a shame....

Same as the post above, with this added:

1. YES I have taken GHB, and in moderation, and through a supplier we know and trust (makes a big difference) and it was alright. Nothing spectacular, but alright, and I felt NOTHING bad when it wore off or over the following days.

2. Have YOU ever tried it?

3. YES it can be used to rape ppl and whatnot, but thats not what the thread is about. The man wants to know what the bad side is to doing it recreationally.

4. I've only done it twice like 2 years ago, and probably wouldn't do it again unless I really felt like something a bit different.

5. I dont condone drugs use (it is bad for you) but I do condone that people can make their own decisions, alot of people actually do do drugs responsibly, but it the anti-drug mongers that get their nickers in a twist coz they believe that anyone who does drugs is some unemployed crack addict stealing car radios to support their habit.. WHICH IS BOLLOCKS!!!

6. Its irreversable, not un reversable

7. I have to unhook the Championship manager 4 promo machine so ppl from head office can pick it up, so I have to end this here.

Bye.

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Originally posted by Dmatrox i like your thoughts on this the phrase "everything in moderation" should be restricted to other things, but chemicals are a different story. wooo cyanide in moderation

LOL potassium cyanide in moderation.......raid roach spray in moderation etc.......

lol people that say they were drugged with GHB are really stupid.
One day some friend gave me a coca-cola and i just took a small nip from it. And damn that was fucking DISGUSTING it was terrible hehe (btw my friend thought he had the drink with GHB but he made a mistake)

You don't really die from a ghb overdose (well only if you drink 1 liter ) most accidents happen when people drink alcohol and ghb together. Most of the time people just go OUT hehe you will have a nice sleep and when you awake you don't really remember what happened...that's it.

HUh? Of course you can die from GHB. Back in my days, I has friends who would constantly abuse the stuff and pass out. Some had to be rushed to the hospital and some (not any of my friends) never made it. Yes, alcohol will increase the chances of death but alone, it is just as deadly. Stay away from the stuff if you don't know how to use it.

I think what trancefeen02 was saying is that basically there are more downsides than upsides to the drug. In that I mean the chances of doing yourself harm (i.e. ending up DEAD or at least in a hospital) are far greater than other drugs that most people here experiment with. In other words, OD'ing is pretty damn easy on this drug, and having an OD on it puts you in a world of hurt - i.e. you're f$cking dead!

I can understand trancefeen02's passion on this, especially when I've seen someone who believed he was taking the "proper dosage" (yeah, wtf is that?), and ended up in a coma for 3 days with some brain damage to go with it (left side of his body is still immobile). Oh sure, some people can take it and know their limits as to how much and how often they can take it through the night. But many do not know where these limits lie, especially the rookies, and are more highly susceptable to OD.

So the take home message is, it's very f$cking easy to OD on it, much easier than other experimental drugs. So take it at your own risk. Oh and someone asked about it being in body-building supplements. GHB itself is not in the supplements, but the derivatives and precursers of GHB are in these pills. I have some info. somewhere at home on this if anyone's interested (I'm at work now). What's more, these derivatives and precursers in these pills have shown to have no significant effects on muscle and/or energy enhancement. Even more so, studies have found that one of the side effects of these precursers and derivatives is a high probability of PHYSICAL DEPENDENCY. Again, I'll look for these sources at home if anyone presses me to do so. I'm sure you can also find it on the net or in some scientific journal archives (where I found it a year or so ago).

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Originally posted by Dmatrox applications of ghb intermediate in manufacturing pyrolidones pestisides, herbicies http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb_datasheet.pdf "slight narcotic effects" doesnt say anything about injestion. May be drug users should take a chemistry class and try out those 'yummy' chemicals, im sure they will find more drugs to get themselves high with

Listen, i hate makin posts when i don't have the time to completly follow up on everything but it is obvious you DIDN'T. The PDF you posted is about GBL which is Gamma-Butyrolactone, but you knew that cause you have taken chemistry, right?..... did you read the title? IT IS NOT GHB........ GHB is a product of GBL......Dmatrox, you have moved to shitbag-status and are on my list of idiots.... I suggest you take some time to learn how to READ. thanx, -HT81.
anywayz.... take a look at this:

GHB (gamma- hydroxybutyrate) <----- that is GHB
Gamma-Butyrolactone <----- That is GBL, what you posted....

GHB is most commonly produced by combining gamma butyrlactone and a strong base such as sodium hydroxide (lye). These two substances react chemically and form the unique chemical GHB.

any how GHB has a chemical make up as Na-GHB (C4H8NaO3)

GHB (gamma hydroxybutyrate) is a naturally occurring component of human cells. It is used most commonly in the form of a chemical salt (Na-GHB or K-GHB) which is taken recreationally as a depressant with effects quite similar to those of alcohol. These salts are powders but are most often mixed with water for recreational use. While GHB is most notorious for a few cases where it has been given to unsuspecting individuals, it is more commonly used as a recreational intoxicant like alcohol, as a sleep-aid, or as a supplement by body-builders. One of the major concerns with GHB is that the recreational dosage range is narrow and even small overdoses can cause temporary unrousable unconsciousness (a type of coma) and large overdoses (poisonings) can be life-threatening.

GHB was developed in the early 60s as a human anesthetic, but was discontinued due to unwanted side effects. It's use as a sleep aid and body building supplement in the 80s and as a recreational psychoactive in the 90s led to it being scheduled in the U.S. in March of 2000. .....ugh, it's a pesticide..lol

Law
GHB is illegal to possess or sell in the United States. It became schedule I (federally) in March, 2000 though it was scheduled in many states between 1997 and 1999. Gamma butyrlactone (GBL) is not federally scheduled but is now a list 1 chemical requiring that paperwork be filed for large sales. GBL is scheduled in some states.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I think what trancefeen02 was saying is that basically there are more downsides than upsides to the drug. In that I mean the chances of doing yourself harm (i.e. ending up DEAD or at least in a hospital) are far greater than other drugs that most people here experiment with. In other words, OD'ing is pretty damn easy on this drug, and having an OD on it puts you in a world of hurt - i.e. you're f$cking dead! I can understand trancefeen02's passion on this, especially when I've seen someone who believed he was taking the "proper dosage" (yeah, wtf is that?), and ended up in a coma for 3 days with some brain damage to go with it (left side of his body is still immobile). Oh sure, some people can take it and know their limits as to how much and how often they can take it through the night. But many do not know where these limits lie, especially the rookies, and are more highly susceptable to OD. So the take home message is, it's very f$cking easy to OD on it, much easier than other experimental drugs. So take it at your own risk. Oh and someone asked about it being in body-building supplements. GHB itself is not in the supplements, but the derivatives and precursers of GHB are in these pills. I have some info. somewhere at home on this if anyone's interested (I'm at work now). What's more, these derivatives and precursers in these pills have shown to have no significant effects on muscle and/or energy enhancement. Even more so, studies have found that one of the side effects of these precursers and derivatives is a high probability of PHYSICAL DEPENDENCY. Again, I'll look for these sources at home if anyone presses me to do so. I'm sure you can also find it on the net or in some scientific journal archives (where I found it a year or so ago).

just for the record:
I have never put any one down because of their passion or experience, trancefeen attacked my comment and attempted to ridicule me because of a post that he disagreed with. There is nothing wrong when people do not see eye to eye IMO. But he should have acted alittle more intelligently, rather than calling people names, and swearing at people, or making nasty comments..... you at least have some manners.... I think the point of these forums are share intelligence and not spreading stupidy and ignorance..... so when you think some one is wrong, teach them instead of flame them. this way They learn something, and they are more apt to spread a good message, and the right info. fighting in the forums spread hate and emotionally driven ignorance, it's something we all (including me) need to get over.....

the thing with ghb its not easy to judge how much u will need, and a few drops can be the difference between a nice high, and death.

and it is not 100% true it is the "healthiest" drug out there, let me explain.

it is a chemical produced by the body in really small doses, i forget why, its a hormony type thing.

this may make u think, oh its ok it doesnt cause any damage coz ur body makes it, well when u take ghb to get fucked, ur taking 100 if not 1000s of times the amount ur body will produce, and this fucks with ur brain basically. if you take it lots these high doses can make u addictive and permanently alter ur mental state.

the dangers are kinda like ketamine, but instead of a k hole, u die. and its much easier to overdose

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Originally posted by HardTrance81 just for the record: I have never put any one down because of their passion or experience, trancefeen attacked my comment and attempted to ridicule me because of a post that he disagreed with. There is nothing wrong when people do not see eye to eye IMO. But he should have acted alittle more intelligently, rather than calling people names, and swearing at people, or making nasty comments..... you at least have some manners.... I think the point of these forums are share intelligence and not spreading stupidy and ignorance..... so when you think some one is wrong, teach them instead of flame them. this way They learn something, and they are more apt to spread a good message, and the right info. fighting in the forums spread hate and emotionally driven ignorance, it's something we all (including me) need to get over.....

I'm with you there. No need to go "on record": I knew what you were saying and where your intentions are here.

Peace.

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Originally posted by HardTrance81 hey hardtrance81..listen.i don't see why you got so upset about what i posted if you look hard at what i wrote ..ALL i said refering to you specifically was how you stated "it was too good to be true" and all i said to you was "well it is". and the only reason i quoted yours back was because you were the last one to post - not for you to take it to heart.no where else did i point the finger soley at you..its ironic that you got so extremely insulted by it..wnen i never even bashed YOU. i commented about something you wrote thats all..it looks like you felt hurt by my words thats why you got so defensive..that was not my intention.i just was pointing out that people should really think before they post shit, especially when it comes to drug use.-maybe i should join your(think before you act alliance!)looks like we at least have that opinion in common. the only thing i can say for you is i think you need to reread what you posted back to me...you say i jumped to conclusions? well i think you did aswell.and you also flipped out because i called names?! well lets see what you did...#1 chicken with its head off.i.e. ME #2 idiot i.e. ME #3 you fucking shmuck i.e. ME #4 moron and asshole too... oh and you clearly stated that you don't like me! so lets recap it looks like you need to take some of your own advice and apply it to yourself. you got in more of an uproar then i did. you also say that people like me should be BANNED from TA when you yourself(like you pointed out) lashed out at me in the same way you are saying should be banned. Listen HT81 i don't have anything against you ..you sound like a very intelligent person, but i just don't think your very good at taking criticism or even just listening to other peoples opinions .next time try not to take things to heart especially if your not really being attacked ..maybe if more people did this then yes ..maybe there would be less fighting in these forums. I apologize if i insulted anyone in my post but i just felt strongly against the topic.

hey didnt u jsut get the quoted psot and your post the wrogn way round?

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Originally posted by HardTrance81 First of all... I think you are jumping to some conclusions. Remember chicken little? That is you... where i am from, we call people like YOU, Idiots. It is people like you that run around screaming and raving with out thinking like chicken with it's head cut off causeing some pointless mass Hysteria, blowing stupid shit out of proportion. (you must post in the politcal forum alot, huh?) any how, why don't you take a minute to re-read what i posted and you'll notice: 1. I never once condoned or encouraged the use of any substance, of any kind, what so ever. 2. I never said that any long term or short term use of any drug was of any benefit, to any one. 3. I simply used the fact that GHB based products are still on the shelves today to support my claim that it's original useages, were "body-enhancement" oriented; not to advertise where he can buy it. besides, you think United States would allow a controlled substance this lethal to be sold in stores over the counter? You fucking shmuck...... 4. as for my sources, I said I not only found information on the internet, but a public library, here in Boston. I would never, entirely base my information solely off the internet...lol, had you read my post, you would have seen that. It's obvious that the drug is extremely deadly as other people have posted (had you read all the posts before jumping to the last page) there were countless negative posts where women and men alike were claiming the worst nights of there life. the fact that i quoted "moderation is the key" was intended for the using of any substance. It was my advice to any MORON that would go though with taking any risky substance for any reason. It was a statment of caution and controlled use....... me screaming and yelling and typing IN CAPS, calling people names is not going to stop any one from doing anything. it's only going to make me look like an IDIOT,running around with his head cut off (we making a connection yet?). but at least by talking subtly i could say something on a friendly level. so if some one did use it, they would proceed with caution from some friendly warning, rather than some ASSHOLE forcing their opinion on some one else because of their own personal and obviously foolish mistakes; what ever they may be. and on a personal note....... trancefeen02, I don't like you, or people like you. I don't care who you are or where your from; I don't like you. It's not because you were concerned for some one's well being, (because your intent was good,) it's not because you were posting your opinion (because we are all entitled that I don't like you, cause you do not think before you act. I don't like you cause you point fingers. you are judgmental based on opinion and heresy and for that i can't respect you. I think people like you should sorted out, and banned from TA, so other TA's can post their opinions and ideas with out being flammed. had you a good argument, and took the time to write out something somewhat intelligent, we all could have learned something. It's a shame....

hey hardtrance81..listen.i don't see why you got so upset about what i posted if you look hard at what i wrote ..ALL i said refering to you specifically was how you stated "it was too good to be true" and all i said to you was "well it is". and the only reason i quoted yours back was because you were the last one to post - not for you to take it to heart.no where else did i point the finger soley at you..its ironic that you got so extremely insulted by it..wnen i never even bashed YOU. i commented about something you wrote thats all..it looks like you felt hurt by my words thats why you got so defensive..that was not my intention.i just was pointing out that people should really think before they post shit, especially when it comes to drug use.-maybe i should join your(think before you act alliance!)looks like we at least have that opinion in common. the only thing i can say for you is i think you need to reread what you posted back to me...you say i jumped to conclusions? well i think you did aswell.and you also flipped out because i called names?! well lets see what you did...#1 chicken with its head off.i.e. ME #2 idiot i.e. ME #3 you fucking shmuck i.e. ME #4 moron and asshole too... oh and you clearly stated that you don't like me! so lets recap it looks like you need to take some of your own advice and apply it to yourself. you got in more of an uproar then i did. you also say that people like me should be BANNED from TA when you yourself(like you pointed out) lashed out at me in the same way you are saying should be banned.
Listen HT81 i don't have anything against you ..you sound like a very intelligent person, but i just don't think your very good at taking criticism or even just listening to other peoples opinions .next time try not to take things to heart especially if your not really being attacked ..maybe if more people did this then yes ..maybe there would be less fighting in these forums. I apologize if i insulted anyone in my post but i just felt strongly against the topic.

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Originally posted by trancefeen02 hey hardtrance81..listen.i don't see why you got so upset about what i posted if you look hard at what i wrote ..ALL i said refering to you specifically was how you stated "it was too good to be true" and all i said to you was "well it is". and the only reason i quoted yours back was because you were the last one to post - not for you to take it to heart.no where else did i point the finger soley at you..its ironic that you got so extremely insulted by it..wnen i never even bashed YOU. i commented about something you wrote thats all..it looks like you felt hurt by my words thats why you got so defensive..that was not my intention.i just was pointing out that people should really think before they post shit, especially when it comes to drug use.-maybe i should join your(think before you act alliance!)looks like we at least have that opinion in common. the only thing i can say for you is i think you need to reread what you posted back to me...you say i jumped to conclusions? well i think you did aswell.and you also flipped out because i called names?! well lets see what you did...#1 chicken with its head off.i.e. ME #2 idiot i.e. ME #3 you fucking shmuck i.e. ME #4 moron and asshole too... oh and you clearly stated that you don't like me! so lets recap it looks like you need to take some of your own advice and apply it to yourself. you got in more of an uproar then i did. you also say that people like me should be BANNED from TA when you yourself(like you pointed out) lashed out at me in the same way you are saying should be banned. Listen HT81 i don't have anything against you ..you sound like a very intelligent person, but i just don't think your very good at taking criticism or even just listening to other peoples opinions .next time try not to take things to heart especially if your not really being attacked ..maybe if more people did this then yes ..maybe there would be less fighting in these forums. I apologize if i insulted anyone in my post but i just felt strongly against the topic.

I agree with you that I did get little out of hand with the post, and I did take things a little personaly, lol.. calling you names and associating you with stupid people may sound hypocritical but at that moment it was my way of dishing out what was taken. Even though i may not have been the target of your post i felt associated with it because of the quotes... my intent was to give a little background as to where it came from, not encourage it; and like i had posted earlier fighting in the forums does nothing but spread hate and emotionally driven ignorance, it's something we all (including me) need to get over.....In this is a prime example. All it takes is one comment/misunderstanding to get people calling eachother names, and then no one learns anything. maybe when proving point against some one you might not want to consider not using swears in the future...

as for the "to good to be true" thats exactly what i meant by it.... and i feel you only confirmed it, by repeating it, i never meant anything more than what the phrase was..... now having read this i feel bad for having an out burst, i do respect you alot more now and i wish you had posted a reply like this to begin with and i feel alot more would have been solved, And so I take back what i said about not liking you. it's not what this site is about.....

ooh and as for being criticized, i actually enjoy it and i do not take to the heart, I am an architect (in training) this is what we live for, that is all design is, is ideas and criticism, nothing is ever right and only opinion. however, where we come from we don't criticize each others work with foul language, we use cronstuctive methods...... we state where we disagree; and what we think would help..... almost a step by step debate....

i though i would like to add more i have to get to class cause i am late...

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Originally posted by HardTrance81 Listen, i hate makin posts when i don't have the time to completly follow up on everything but it is obvious you DIDN'T. The PDF you posted is about GBL which is Gamma-Butyrolactone, but you knew that cause you have taken chemistry, right?..... did you read the title? IT IS NOT GHB........ GHB is a product of GBL......Dmatrox, you have moved to shitbag-status and are on my list of idiots.... I suggest you take some time to learn how to READ. thanx, -HT81. anywayz.... take a look at this: GHB (gamma- hydroxybutyrate) <----- that is GHB Gamma-Butyrolactone <----- That is GBL, what you posted.... GHB is most commonly produced by combining gamma butyrlactone and a strong base such as sodium hydroxide (lye). These two substances react chemically and form the unique chemical GHB. any how GHB has a chemical make up as Na-GHB (C4H8NaO3)

Listen, i never disrepected you, so dont be disrespecting people around here especially since you are new and you treat others like your mother.

I even looked around for a GHB material safety data sheet, i didnt see one so i refered to GBL. would you be such a "kind" chemist and explain how a strong base added to GBL is different

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Originally posted by HardTrance81 I agree with you that I did get little out of hand with the post, and I did take things a little personaly, lol.. calling you names and associating you with stupid people may sound hypocritical but at that moment it was my way of dishing out what was taken. Even though i may not have been the target of your post i felt associated with it because of the quotes... my intent was to give a little background as to where it came from, not encourage it; and like i had posted earlier fighting in the forums does nothing but spread hate and emotionally driven ignorance, it's something we all (including me) need to get over.....In this is a prime example. All it takes is one comment/misunderstanding to get people calling eachother names, and then no one learns anything. maybe when proving point against some one you might not want to consider not using swears in the future... as for the "to good to be true" thats exactly what i meant by it.... and i feel you only confirmed it, by repeating it, i never meant anything more than what the phrase was..... now having read this i feel bad for having an out burst, i do respect you alot more now and i wish you had posted a reply like this to begin with and i feel alot more would have been solved, And so I take back what i said about not liking you. it's not what this site is about..... ooh and as for being criticized, i actually enjoy it and i do not take to the heart, I am an architect (in training) this is what we live for, that is all design is, is ideas and criticism, nothing is ever right and only opinion. however, where we come from we don't criticize each others work with foul language, we use cronstuctive methods...... we state where we disagree; and what we think would help..... almost a step by step debate.... i though i would like to add more i have to get to class cause i am late...

Hardtrance81 ..thanks for the response ,i know what its like to react impulsively too..we all do it, but at least we were big enough to correct it. oh and by the way i'm a girl silly, i noticed that you assumed i was a guy from what you wrote earlier when you quoted me as "he". just wanted to let you know you were dealing with a girl here!

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Originally posted by Dmatrox Listen, i never disrepected you, so dont be disrespecting people around here especially since you are new and you treat others like your mother. I even looked around for a GHB material safety data sheet, i didnt see one so i refered to GBL. would you be such a "kind" chemist and explain how a strong base added to GBL is different

Why don't you begin explaining how it is or isn't different because i am not a chemist, and i am sure not every one in this forum is either.... wouldn't that make this sheet useless if only you could understand it? why post it? you didn't even mention it in your post that this was the closest you could get to GHB, making me think you thought it was GHB when you posted it.You have to remember, I am not a mind reader, you need to putthat info in your posts; i only use my mid-reading helmet when dealing with my girlfriend cause i really need it then, don't want to wear the batteries out on less important matters. and besides mind-reading helmet batteries are expensive.... any how

I'll let you know why i posted what i did though
from the looks of it GBL is pestiside, kills insects, of course that does not sound good for the human body, it's a mild skin irratant, i wouldn't put anything in my system my skin can't touch. as for GHB, i never had any problem handling that..... my point is whether the two have the base or not the two chemicals from a first look have diffrent traits... to me (the untrained eye) this would mean they ARE different, you follow? so am reading this pdf during heated discussion and you claiming this is GHB when it's labeled something else...... with out letting us know how you came to this, or why you are posting it.... It looks like your posting with out thinking.. i felt, with the info posted, it was safe to assume you were not thinking .....

and about me being new, i honestly don't care how old anyone is.... or how long they been here....seniority nothing... maybe if people weren't posting around on high horses i would not be knock'n em down....

To all the people on here that get worked up about shit. I got two words for you !
SPEED BAGS

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Originally posted by B-Good To all the people on here that get worked up about shit. I got two words for you ! SPEED BAGS

and those are? what bags of speed?

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