Pro DJs that use burnt mp3s @ gigs

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Posted by Mr.Mystery on Mar-18-2003 21:15:

I'd love it if some DJ played my downloaded tracks at a gig

Posted by Jocker on Mar-18-2003 21:34:

quote:
Originally posted by sektile
now this sounds all happy and joyful, but as someone already mentioned.. quality? surely. even 320kbps mp3 is compressed and doesnt sound as good as vinyl or cd

i bet my head to be chopped off (both of them, if you want to) that you will NEVER notice a difference between a 192kbps MP3 and a CD played in a club (i mean not like the ideal situation with no people in the club and a very good sound system, but the "normal" packed club)

moreover, quite often 192kbps CD rips sound MUCH BETTER than pure-sounding vinyls because of the inevitable dust-popping on vinyl's surface. even though i am quite obsessed with vinyls, most people want the clearest sound and don't want that cracks and pops as the true authenticity of the dj.

Posted by dj tek on Mar-18-2003 21:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Jocker
quite often 192kbps CD rips sound MUCH BETTER than pure-sounding vinyls because of the inevitable dust-popping on vinyl's surface. even though i am quite obsessed with vinyls, most people want the clearest sound and don't want that cracks and pops as the true authenticity of the dj.

lol... if u take care of your vinyls and always play them clean, u wont have such a problem... and im not even gonna comment about 192kbs cd rips sounding much better than 'pure-sounding vinyls' lol.. u obviously are not obsessed with vinyls cuz u dont know\appreciate the sound quality that wax provides..

Posted by djSlain on Mar-18-2003 21:55:

(i believe)
Marco V spun his remix of Cafe Del Mar from a burnt CD because his label hadn't finished making a vinyl for himself.

Posted by DJ Mikey Mike on Mar-18-2003 22:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Jocker
i bet my head to be chopped off (both of them, if you want to) that you will NEVER notice a difference between a 192kbps MP3 and a CD played in a club (i mean not like the ideal situation with no people in the club and a very good sound system, but the "normal" packed club)

moreover, quite often 192kbps CD rips sound MUCH BETTER than pure-sounding vinyls because of the inevitable dust-popping on vinyl's surface. even though i am quite obsessed with vinyls, most people want the clearest sound and don't want that cracks and pops as the true authenticity of the dj.

this is not at all true. when converting from wav to mp3 u lose crucial hi's and lo's that are very very noticeable on a decent sound system

Posted by Jocker on Mar-18-2003 22:23:

Posted by Jocker on Mar-18-2003 22:34:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike
this is not at all true. when converting from wav to mp3 u lose crucial hi's and lo's that are very very noticeable on a decent sound system

also... read this. it might be quite educational:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...=&threadid=2518

i posted that thread with really stupid and profane assumptions (mainly due to my newbiness), and learnt quite a lot from what the knowledgeable people have said. pay special attention to what skywarp and joel fielder have said...

Posted by VaNFeCto on Mar-18-2003 22:38:

Yea i think the problem is when people get careless with the CDR and it leaks, and yea i see your point, headliners or pro djs should use vinyl one because of sound quality, two because they get them for free neway, and i think they all complain about mp3s i think they should buy the vinyls and support artist, like mentioned earlier. Althoug 1000's of songs vs. a couple of crates, whew what an advantage.

Posted by Jocker on Mar-18-2003 22:43:

as for the main point of discussion:

yeah, i think it is obligatory that djs play the music they bought or received as promos (whether cds or vinyls). just to support the producers.

Posted by D'Paul on Mar-18-2003 23:48:

Its all about what the artist thinks. It is their property as far as I know.

Posted by DJ Kandaio on Mar-18-2003 23:49:

Personally, when doing my show, I try to play as many indie artists as possible. I make a point of playing everything local, and granted, some of the luckier DJs in London get their stuff on wax, which I play, but most are perfectly satisfied sending me mp3s to play. Also, a lot of rare vinyls, or stuff that hasn't been released yet, I have on mp3. Of course I'll purchase them once I can find them, but I'm not going to be an ass and make my listeners wait until I order something from the UK.

As for the quality, I used to be all for new technology taking over the old. However, when I heard my first vinyl after hearing the same song over mp3 many times over (Sasha - Xpander), I was blown away. The acoustic qualities of a well maintained vinyl take the cake, and you can encode at 320KBS and piss everyone off with a 30 meg mp3 and it will never even come close.

So, for artists who need to get heard, vinyl is not necessary. However, vinyl is better, and supporting the artist who has released on vinyl is better...

DJ Katheda

Posted by dj tek on Mar-19-2003 00:20:

quote:
Originally posted by DJKatheda

As for the quality, I used to be all for new technology taking over the old. However, when I heard my first vinyl after hearing the same song over mp3 many times over (Sasha - Xpander), I was blown away. The acoustic qualities of a well maintained vinyl take the cake, and you can encode at 320KBS and piss everyone off with a 30 meg mp3 and it will never even come close.

So, for artists who need to get heard, vinyl is not necessary. However, vinyl is better, and supporting the artist who has released on vinyl is better...

DJ Katheda

claps*

Posted by Endo on Mar-19-2003 00:32:

My thoughts upon the topic...

As many have said before, I think that if it's attainable on vinyl (or CD) then the DJ should get it. I mean, sure it's important for a DJ to make a profit, but if there's this 1 track that some famous DJ can't get then sure go ahead and burn it. If anything it'd be promoting this unknown song, such as with ppk and oakenfold as already mentioned before.

And anyways, DJing isn't all about making a profit, if it is then he/she is spinning for the wrong reason. If they love the music then I don't see how it could be so hard to shell out the cash to get a certain vinyl or CD. It'd be helping the industry and the DJ would get better quality tunes. It's all about the DJs loving the music and helping out the scene (wow that sounded corny)

And that comment about AVB or Tiesto buying vinyls... I don't think they'd have too much of a financial problem doing so

Posted by fr0st on Mar-19-2003 01:10:

I hate when djs spin mp3's cuzz it makes it that much harder to find a unique track....that noone is playing i like for some dj not to be able to access certain tracks it gives each dj a different sound...but nowadays it seems everyone sounds the same...

Posted by DJDavidScott on Mar-19-2003 04:30:

Honestly, I am sick of reading these cry baby threads. Sure, labels are starting to feel the affects of teh ECONOMY. Just like businesses in the world, record labels are not immune to inflation and bancruptcy. This community, the trance community is supposed to be about the music and the emotion. Now it has turned into a big cock fight with attitude!! Everyone has an opinion, everyone needs to get one up. Just shut the fuck up and live your life the way you want to live it. Hey, ya can't afford to buy turntables and you like the music, here burn this CD and experience this great music!

I do understand the labels arguements regarding burned CDs and MP3s. Unfortunately that is the way of this culture. I don't download the music for an reason then to experience the art. It is just like buying a print of a painting...It's not the same. It sounds like shit and ya can't mix it anywhere close to the way you can with vinyl.

Why don't labels release their tracks on CD and vinyl. Single CD singles as an original release. If I could walk into a recordstore and buy any track on CD, I would...I con't do that in New York, or anywhere. I follow a specific style and specific artists. Then I follow the artists that artists plays in his or her sets. Those artists do not release their tracks on CD. I spin CDs. That is how I started and I stuck with it. It sucks and I wish I spun vinyl, but I don't.

I love this music and everything about it. Stop bitching and moaning. Without my music and this community, events like WAR might drive me crazy. This is my passion and I have all of my heart in it. I hope that I would receive the same amount of respect from the "pro" DJs and my peers as I give them for their love of the music.

Posted by DJ Kandaio on Mar-19-2003 04:34:

quote:
Originally posted by DavidScott
I love this music and everything about it. Stop bitching and moaning. Without my music and this community, events like WAR might drive me crazy. This is my passion and I have all of my heart in it. I hope that I would receive the same amount of respect from the "pro" DJs and my peers as I give them for their love of the music.

Right on my brotha! We all love this music, we all would give everything we can for this music... Now shut up, and enjoy!

Hell ya!

Posted by Sid on Mar-19-2003 05:01:

I think it contradicts the term pro-dj

Posted by dj tek on May-11-2005 19:53:

bumpin'

Posted by Adee on May-11-2005 22:25:

quote:
Originally posted by djSlain
(i believe)
Marco V spun his remix of Cafe Del Mar from a burnt CD because his label hadn't finished making a vinyl for himself.

LOL i have a whitelabel vinyl, your talking bullshit.

Posted by Tayfoon on May-12-2005 00:33:

DavidScott

AudioJelly.com
Beat port and such

all tracks get released on mp3, buy em.

If you guys are talking about djs playing tracks that they shouldnt have

check out ur beloved ETN.FM, its full of hacks

Posted by flavdave on May-12-2005 01:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Tayfoon
DavidScott

AudioJelly.com
Beat port and such

all tracks get released on mp3, buy em.

Check the date of his post, it was before those sites were around.

Posted by flavdave on May-12-2005 01:02:

quote:
Originally posted by Adee
LOL i have a whitelabel vinyl, your talking bullshit.

Posted by First Strike on May-12-2005 02:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Solstice
i still cant understand a pro dj spinning mp3's?
i mean by very nature the track is compressed, which means less sound quality than .wav ( CD ) and of course vinyl?.

i dont care what 196kbs crap you try and string along, its still
compressed which is worse quality than wav or vinyl.

somebody please explain this too me!

This is takling about 256mp3s and its says its good enough....

quote:
www.anjunabeats.com
Files downloaded from the Anjunabeats.com Web Store are now 256kbit/sec MP3 files, encoded directly from original Anjunabeats masters using the best sounding encoder available today. The sound quality is virtually indistinguishable from the full-rate masters and Above & Beyond chose this format as it offers best size/quality ratio and is easily good enough to play in clubs and for listening to in even the best of studios.

Posted by Blue. on May-12-2005 03:19:

Re: Pro DJs that use burnt mp3s @ gigs

quote:
Originally posted by dj tek
do u know any pro dj that uses burnt mp3s @ gigs? i personally dont think thats cool since they have access to so many tunes "legitly" so i think its sorta the easy way out, and u aint helpin the scene either..anyone?

So you're telling me that buying songs off the net and then burning them on a CD and playing them at shows is wrong?

Posted by Allied Nations on May-12-2005 03:46:

Tis is the biggest piece of bullsit ive read in a thread my god.

If an mp3(320kbps)/wav is recorded directly at the source, straight from the dat, it will sound just as good if not better than anny vinyl.

its all digital anyways. The problem is a lot of mp3are converted from the DAT to vinyl to 320 to 192 back to 320 and each step loses sound quality.

i guarantee you that if you put it on mp3 direct it would sound as good.

I know for a fact a lot of producers use pc only software to record etc, are u trying to say that its gonna sound better AFTER they put it on vinyl? If 2 exact same systems were used, there would be no difference.

Unless you are a dog (they have better hearing) you are lying if you still think vinyl sounds better vs. direct 320kbps mp3.

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