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I agree partly. It would be nice to see the big name DJ's change their tune so to speak, but I really can't see that happening for a while. I think the way to popularise it more is to have clubs that offer it as their main style. They have to make a dent in the big clubs numbers though. The only way this is possible, I see, if it ALOT of money is put into it. Taking on the big clubs would be a major task. It's good to see club nights like 5AM and Altitude but I think the production, promotion etc is too small. It needs to be in peoples faces. Constant, eye-popping advertising. Great venue/sound/lighting. Big name DJ's. It needs to become an established club. Not easy in this hard trance dominated scene.

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Originally posted by dj_orpheus It would be nice to see the big name DJ's change their tune so to speak, but I really can't see that happening for a while.

Do those DJs play hard trance because they really love that music, or because the club wants them to play that style (according to their music policy)?

Do the clubs think that because there are so many people who attend their regular events at which hard trance is played, that they believe such people really like hard trance? Maybe at the moment there is an "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality with the established clubs like Sublime and Plastic. Maybe they believe hard trance still attracts a crowd, so why change when the money's getting raked in? In reality, I'm pretty sure there would be a significant proportion of people who care little about the music ("as long as there's a beat") and just want to be in a stylish venue with lots of supposed "cool" party people - I'm thinking especially of Sublime at Home.

However, the other side of the coin is that because hard trance is all that is exposed to the people, that's all they know and eventually they start to recognise tracks and start to like it. It's like commercial pop music. If all you ever listen to is commercial radio and you've never heard of trance, you'll probably start liking the pop, because you don't know any better and you have become comfortably accustomed to the mindset that has been programmed into your mind from the repeated exposure.

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I think the way to popularise it more is to have clubs that offer it as their main style. They have to make a dent in the big clubs numbers though. The only way this is possible, I see, if it ALOT of money is put into it. Taking on the big clubs would be a major task. It's good to see club nights like 5AM and Altitude but I think the production, promotion etc is too small. It needs to be in peoples faces. Constant, eye-popping advertising. Great venue/sound/lighting. Big name DJ's. It needs to become an established club. Not easy in this hard trance dominated scene.

I totally agree. One of my dreams would be Sublime changing their music policy to have uplifting trance in the main room, with people who are very trance-focused, like the Altitude guys, running it.

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Originally posted by dj_orpheus Yeah. It got a much more in-depth response here though (as expected)

I cannot believe you!

So many of us on ITM spent all sorts of time responding to your questions - to say that our responses werent "in depth" is ludacrist orpheus!

People really valued that thread - this shows how much you 'valued our opinon.

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Originally posted by :CrasHeR-kiD: I cannot believe you! So many of us on ITM spent all sorts of time responding to your questions - to say that our responses werent "in depth" is ludacrist orpheus! People really valued that thread - this shows how much you 'valued our opinon.

Take a look for yourself

here

and decide if they werent "in depth enough"

oh, ffs. i appreciate that you're passionate about trance, but he didn't say anyone's opinions were worthless.

It's the internet -- nothing's meant to be taken that seriously. To suggest otherwise is ludicrous.

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Originally posted by dj_orpheus I agree partly. It would be nice to see the big name DJ's change their tune so to speak, but I really can't see that happening for a while. I think the way to popularise it more is to have clubs that offer it as their main style. They have to make a dent in the big clubs numbers though. The only way this is possible, I see, if it ALOT of money is put into it. Taking on the big clubs would be a major task. It's good to see club nights like 5AM and Altitude but I think the production, promotion etc is too small. It needs to be in peoples faces. Constant, eye-popping advertising. Great venue/sound/lighting. Big name DJ's. It needs to become an established club. Not easy in this hard trance dominated scene.

The Melbourne Techno scene has thrived for years without any of this advertising/marketing...why?
Because if the music is good then you will build a loyal support base of good people and then the followers will come.

i dont think i have much to add to what other people have said, and i cant really be stuffed thinking about it either hehe
people who like this music just have to accept that it isn't as popular in the mainstream as they would like, so just deal with it. its not like australia is completely trance starved. just about every big event we have is headlined by trance djs unless it is specifically about another type of music.

another point:

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It's the internet -- nothing's meant to be taken that seriously.

whats the deal with that? what difference does the medium make? if someone makes a point, or an argument, or insults you, how is this an excuse? 'its the internet, it doesn't count'. why not? they still say it, they still mean it.

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Originally posted by SQ-K oh, ffs. i appreciate that you're passionate about trance, but he didn't say anyone's opinions were worthless. It's the internet -- nothing's meant to be taken that seriously. To suggest otherwise is ludicrous.

My passion has nothing to do with this.

I never implied that he said that our opinions were worthless.
So i suggest that you dont jump to conclusions.

And so what if its the internet?

Does that some how mean that my opinion should be taken any less seriously? I respect orpheus's thread and his comments and have nothing against him; however i feel that those replies on ITM shouldnt be discredited even if they were "less in depth"

Im not having a 'go' at you or orpheus - i just feel that a little more credit should be given to those who took the time out to reply and answer his questions rather than dismissing them for lacking in depth.

The people on ITM valued his thread and his opinions and the last thing he should say about them and their responses that they werent in depth enough.

Music means many things to different people and some express it better than others but they all deserve the same respect no matter what medium they are communicated in.

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Originally posted by Philby another point: whats the deal with that? what difference does the medium make? if someone makes a point, or an argument, or insults you, how is this an excuse? 'its the internet, it doesn't count'. why not? they still say it, they still mean it.

amen brother.

fucking hell this is getting outta control... i think the phrase we all need to pay attention to is "whatever rocks your boat"

that works ANYWHERE

good points

well after reading most of the replys i must say that i agree with alot that is being said but i think that trance perhaps is not as popular here because all the top dj's are so far away. i can prempt what you ppl are going to say ie we get so many djs nowdays etc.

however we have to take into account whwn they head out here. party season o/s is usually in summer time and i suggest that this is when most of the huge trance events are on in europe, hence their huge popularity. i feel that if we could get these big djs in our summer time especially december (when uni students are on holidays) then trance would grow in leaps and bounds in oz. it really is a matter of timing with all this stuff. take for example Field day 2003 . it was with out a doubt the best event i have ever been to, and i thought that i would never be saying that after two tribes in 2002. it was the vibe, the atmosphere and the general happiness of everyonre their, although sooooooooooo many ppl (including myself) were off-chops . the djs were ok ie felix da housecat etc but nothing special. i ask you this. why do you think they sold over 16000 tickets way before the actual day ? it was the timing. it was a public holiday, it was new years day and they were the best dj's in town. everwhere you went in sydney all the talk was "are you goin' to field day, have oyu got your ticket yet, should go off "etc. everyone knows that it was the only place to be in sydney on nyday. infact many ppl didnt go out nye because they were so hyped about field day. Not me because i'm hardcore and could handle both with a little artifiscial help ))) it was the best day ever. Fuzzy ( the promoters) got it all right and thats why it sold out so early and you had all those scalpers making a killing ( around $250 to get a ticket).

now imagine if there were the likes of tiesto, pvd, avb, ferry,oakey,joof or picotto playing. if it was held on the main arena where the house arena was this year it would go off. they would sell well over 20,000 easily i reckon.all they had were the house and breaks arena this year and they got 16000+ imagine they had a few or even one big trance headline out here. the streets of sydney would be deserted and everyone would be at the domain. see its all about timing my friends. i doubt that we will ever get the likes of those dj's to play at field day because they are in such high demand world wide, unless fuzzy dish out the big $$$$. promoters could however organise an event on say a public holiday in summer, make it during the day kinda like field day is organised.i gurantee you will get almost the same hype you got in syd about field day.



the upshot of this bloody long post is that trance can succeed but it needs proper organising, advertising, good lineups etc. this will help to develop a reputaion for an event like loveparade, white sensation,. everybody knows that on ny day field day is the place to be in sydney but if we can develop an event similar to field day but for trance then we could have our own event that would rival field day.

sorry to keep talking about field day but it just goes to show what a well organised event can do.

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Originally posted by dj_orpheus Yeah. It got a much more in-depth response here though (as expected)

Orpheus, the reason why Crasher kid is annoyed by this is because he has replied to your thread on inthemix.

Crasher kid, I'm sure he wasn't referring to your own replies. I myself like your well-thought posts on there.

inthemix has such a large diversity of people with different tastes and views. You wouldn't expect everyone on there to be so in-tune with trance and the trance scene, even if they think they are. We people, as indicated by the domain name of this site, are likely to be much more trance-focused.

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