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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle I love how their way of protesting is commiting juvenile acts of vandalism. I love how you could ask any sampling of people at a protest what exactly they are protesting against and you would get atleast 3/4 of them not knowing what the fuck they are protesting against. All they wanna do is wreck shit.

Well said.
A guy went to the protest with a "God Bless America" sign and what happened to him? People spat in his face and threatened him. Real mature. As if blocking the streets and stopping people from going to work is gonna end the war in iraq.

If you don't believe Saddam has weapons of mass destruction you are a fool.....

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Originally posted by Trance Outlaw If you don't believe Saddam has weapons of mass destruction you are a fool.....

and if u dont believe that USA out numbers every other country in warfare and weapons of mass destruction, ur more of a fool

Nobody ever disputed that pal.....
But the American gov't doesn't randomly execute its own civilians to prove how powerful they are. Are they are not likely to start bombing the shit out of Canada to get our supply of oil.

But I'm sure a bright guy like you could of figured that out.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek What I will say instead is that historically, Americans always stand behind the stance their president takes during war. But believe me, that will change drastically once those filled green bags will start arriving on the American soil.

hey malek youre an idiot... period. im an american and im completely against this war, i protested every day i could even marched to our federal building, almost every person i know is against this war, the problem is our government is bullshit and we have no say in the matter, so stop dissing Americans, its not like your government isnt supporting ours and the war.
bush does not represent me so dont think that all americans are just idiots following an idiot.

obviously in any large gathering of people there will be a bunch of shit disturbers... but most of the people out there know their shit when they're out protesting... nobody's bored enough to join a protest that they don't believe in....

sure, protesting is very unlikely to sway government policy on war, but at least people are out there supporting a worthy cause. if you don't like it, don't join it, but you don't have to rag on the protesters.

ray finkle: seeing as you live in hamilton, come to the mcmaster campus tomorrow at 2.. there's gonna be a rally. come see how many hooligans there are at protests...

Yugoslavia, Afganistan, Iraq...
Who's next???

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Originally posted by djarecebo ...the problem is our government is bullshit and we have no say in the matter, so stop dissing Americans, its not like your government isnt supporting ours and the war. bush does not represent me so dont think that all americans are just idiots following an idiot.

Well, you are idiots for letting those morons run your country... but hey, it's the way every other government in this world works too, so there's really no point in arguing over that.

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Originally posted by Trance Outlaw But the American gov't doesn't randomly execute its own civilians to prove how powerful they are.

No, they don't... but they have a tendency to take it out on other countries and their citizens for some reason (showing off?)

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Originally posted by fantom Well, you are idiots for letting those morons run your country... but hey, it's the way every other government in this world works too, so there's really no point in arguing over that.

sigh, youre wrong too. we didnt even vote this moron into the presidency, he won illegally, everyone knows it. where were you when he got elected? obviously you know nothing about it. seriously all of you guys from canada stop the americans bashing, bash our government but not us, ill join you in that!

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Originally posted by djarecebo sigh, youre wrong too. we didnt even vote this moron into the presidency, he won illegally, everyone knows it. where were you when he got elected? obviously you know nothing about it. seriously all of you guys from canada stop the americans bashing, bash our government but not us, ill join you in that!

Well, I know that he tampered with those votes in Florida, that were actually crucial part of the whole campaign (no idea why, but he still got plenty legitimate votes)...

And don't worry, we'll be bashing your government for a long, long time now...

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Originally posted by djarecebo sigh, youre wrong too. we didnt even vote this moron into the presidency, he won illegally, everyone knows it. where were you when he got elected? obviously you know nothing about it. seriously all of you guys from canada stop the americans bashing, bash our government but not us, ill join you in that!

I dislike your government, not the American people. The TAs that are American that come up here to party RULE!

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Originally posted by fantom No, they don't... but they have a tendency to take it out on other countries and their citizens for some reason (showing off?)

u got me

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Originally posted by fantom No, they don't... but they have a tendency to take it out on other countries and their citizens for some reason (showing off?)

Yes, because the United States actively goes out and commits heinous acts of genocide (the "rolleyes" smilie is so overused on these forums but this time actually warrants it)

my 2 cents

Everyone that thinks Bush is making the decisions on war is a little misled. I don't think Bush has the intelligence to come up with enough reasoning to take action on any political issue, let alone a war. There are other figures pulling the levers behind the curtain of the great and powerful OZ.

As for the protests... I think they help represent the publics opinion. Too bad entire countries (with their governments) can't stand up together to voice their opinions. They just worry too much about screwing up the relationships ($$$$$) they have invested in the states. At least now there is more global resistance against war then there has ever been.

As for the people that do support the war... all I can say is propaganda & filtered media.

the end...

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Originally posted by djarecebo hey malek youre an idiot... period. im an american and im completely against this war, i protested every day i could even marched to our federal building, almost every person i know is against this war, the problem is our government is bullshit and we have no say in the matter, so stop dissing Americans,

well you my friend is accounted in that 29% or so that do not stand behind their president (agh i hate polls). And if you maybe read my previous posts in other threads before calling me an idiot, you would see that I say exactly the same thing as you, all my bitching is toward the american govt. But sometimes, yes I loose temper and bitch after americans too when I see stupid comments broadcast by your "serious" tv networks... agh

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its not like your government isnt supporting ours and the war.

btw, Canada is against the war. Do your homework before posting stuff like these.

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bush does not represent me so dont think that all americans are just idiots following an idiot.

There's nothing all black or all white in life, its all shades of grey... the bad news is that a good chunk of your fellow americans do infact follow that idiot president... just go check the political forums... you'll be surprised!

no bad feelings man, we're on the same side.

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Originally posted by djarecebo hey malek youre an idiot... period. im an american and im completely against this war, i protested every day i could even marched to our federal building, almost every person i know is against this war, the problem is our government is bullshit and we have no say in the matter, so stop dissing Americans, its not like your government isnt supporting ours and the war. bush does not represent me so dont think that all americans are just idiots following an idiot.

^^^^^^ all true...i had a conversation on the war with arecebo 2 weeks ago in person....

and i too ahve noticed alot of people dissing the american population in total....there are millions in that population that are against the war, millions more just uncertain about the stance on the war and only a small percentage with the war 100%...


about Bush being elected, its pretty obvious if anyone was following up with the elections as they progressed that Gore won but they had the re vote in florida and rigged it getting bush in power...


IMO, everything that has occured in the past 3 years since bush got elected is part of a planned agenda.

starting off with the WTC. my conspiracy theory is taht it was american planned/assisted to use as an excuse to go against the Taliban and divert attention from the recession USA was to face.

Bush knows that the populatoin doesnt like him too much so hes trying to create history now with his extremist methods since he wont be coming back next term

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee ^^^^^^ all true...i had a conversation on the war with arecebo 2 weeks ago in person.... IMO, everything that has occured in the past 3 years since bush got elected is part of a planned agenda. starting off with the WTC. my conspiracy theory is taht it was american planned/assisted to use as an excuse to go against the Taliban and divert attention from the recession USA was to face.

I totally agree, ever since Bush has gotten into power it all really seems like a big conspiracy how everything seems to fall into place. I think that the conspiracy goes deeper than that however, I just don't know what is it yet.

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Originally posted by djarecebo I think that the conspiracy goes deeper than that however, I just don't know what is it yet.

*cues X-Files music*

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle What would they do? Respond with violence (irony++)? Just like them, I have the democratic right to walk beside them and say that I support this disarmament of Iraq. Oh how I love protestors. Especially the ones who "protest globalisation". I love how their way of protesting is commiting juvenile acts of vandalism. I love how you could ask any sampling of people at a protest what exactly they are protesting against and you would get atleast 3/4 of them not knowing what the fuck they are protesting against. All they wanna do is wreck shit.

I was in attendance at the FTAA sumit in Quebec. It was quite the experiance.

The magic of it is that there are so many groups who have different ideologies on how to change the world. I'd say only 1% of those there (extreme marxists aka the black bloc) believed that violent dissodence is the only way to bring about revolution.

They are very controversial and its sad that ppl judge the entire protest movement as violent because of a few. In fact i saw many altercations between viloent protestors and peaceful ones over that very issue.

IMO all ideologies that promote change in our society as useful and relavent.

ANd to say that the protests are "worthless" is the most uninformed opinion I have ever heard. Those that believe this should be ashamed of themselves.

World peace starts within ourselves... We are our own biggest enemy... Death is not the end, it is a new beggining...

I'm going to remain neutral in the discussion about the war itself, but one thing about protesting:

I hardly think that a mass of people parading on the streets of Kingston, Ontario, making a lot of excited noise, blocking traffic, and being generally annoying, is going to make Bush recall his troops/bombs/whatever. I (and most people I know) don't even care about the message they are trying to convey, we just think that they are being incredibly disruptive to ordinary people who are only trying to go about their business, and that means we are pissed off at them and not at any government.

Many of us also feel that these people are caught up in the moment and don't understand the real issues behind what they are protesting against. Sometimes we wonder if they even know what they are protesting against. These people constitute the same demographic as the Arts students who cut class to protest against tuition deregulation.

I'm not against protests in general. I can understand protests outside the white house or something. But people need to actually stop and think before they go out and make fools of themselves. If your message has no way of reaching the people that actually matter, then please, just go back to sleep. Write a letter to the president maybe. If he gets enough letters he might take them into consideration. But don't go out and annoy people that have nothing to do with the issue at all.

My two cents.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek hehe i won't post any polls results because I don't believe in them What I will say instead is that historically, Americans always stand behind the stance their president takes during war. But believe me, that will change drastically once those filled green bags will start arriving on the American soil. It took 20 something casualities for Americans to retire from Somalia, about 450+ pulvirized troops in Beirut in 82 and they pulled out asap. wait and see.

wait and see what?? you think Iraq won't be taken?

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Originally posted by oceanlab wait and see what?? you think Iraq won't be taken?

he means wait and see how many casualties will be there on the Coalition itself

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Originally posted by Time2Burn They are very controversial and its sad that ppl judge the entire protest movement as violent because of a few. In fact i saw many altercations between viloent protestors and peaceful ones over that very issue.

Yeah I agree completely. I was wrong to say that 3/4 of protestors don't know why they are there but it's sad that a few of the individuals overshadow the peaceful people who acting like complete assholes. Civil disobediance interferes with my personal rights and that's where I draw the line. Chain yourselves together on your own property but if you impede my personal life like making me late for work, and generally being a pain in the ass to all, then I hate those people.

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"I respect fully the American people and I am respecting them more because they are demonstrating yesterday and yesterday before," he added. - Mohammed Aldouri Iraqi U.N. ambassador

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