Which Trance Labels are the Most Succesful?

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Posted by George Kendall on Apr-02-2003 14:28:

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Originally posted by trancEyes22
hehe ok x-hale...apparently every label we say isnt right, so you tell us whats the most successful. i'm interested to hear an expert opinion

wtf?? I was only giving my opinion ffs, everyone has different views.

Posted by trancEyes22 on Apr-02-2003 14:29:

as were we!!!!!!!

Posted by George Kendall on Apr-02-2003 14:30:

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Originally posted by trancEyes22
as were we!!!!!!!

yea...I didn't slate u for it..I gave my opinion on the labels u came forward with, and then gave examples of a very successful label and one that failed but released probably the greatest number of quality tracks.

Posted by trancEyes22 on Apr-02-2003 14:34:

i didn't slate you about anything...i don't even know what slate means lol...all i was saying is that to every perons response on here, you had a know-it-all type answer. i was just interested to hear what your opinion was since all of ours seemed to get you pretty hype. of course everyone has different views, so take your own advice!! theres no need to argue to the death about something someone says thats different than you...oy

Posted by George Kendall on Apr-02-2003 14:39:

quote:
Originally posted by trancEyes22
i didn't slate you about anything...i don't even know what slate means lol...all i was saying is that to every perons response on here, you had a know-it-all type answer. i was just interested to hear what your opinion was since all of ours seemed to get you pretty hype. of course everyone has different views, so take your own advice!! theres no need to argue to the death about something someone says thats different than you...oy

Errm I'm bored...so I'm browsing the forums...replying to threads that interest me. If I was 'agueing' I'd be putting sarcastic smileys like and !!! and in my answers.

I'm sorry if I came across with a 'know it all' attitude...didn't mean to just having a discussion.

Although I bet if this thread had come along 2 months ago...people would've been saying Bonzai was successsfull

People need to understand what success actually means. In reguards to Lost Language...I was told by an inside source that they were struggling a few months prior to releasing 7 Cities 2002.

With vandit, I'm not fully convinced and thats all I was saying

Posted by demons on Apr-02-2003 14:42:

quote:
Originally posted by X-Hale
yea...I didn't slate u for it..I gave my opinion on the labels u came forward with, and then gave examples of a very successful label and one that failed but released probably the greatest number of quality tracks.

my view of a successful label is based on consistency of quality club tracks.

a view of a successful label should not be based on rumours and speculation of their financial state...

it should be based on the quality of the tracks, that each release maintains this quality and that the djs consistently play them out. that is all the criteria needed imo. despite what happened, lightning/bonzai were a very successful label on this merit.

anything business wise (like sales) is pure (rumour fuelled) speculation unless you are the label's accountant.

Posted by trancEyes22 on Apr-02-2003 14:42:

ok truce

i'll admit i like to argue my opinion very passionately too, but sometimes i have to remember mine isn't always right (believe it or not hehe)

Posted by George Kendall on Apr-02-2003 14:44:

quote:
Originally posted by demons
my view of a successful label is based on consistency of quality club tracks.

a view of a successful label should not be based on rumours and speculation of their financial state...

it should be based on the quality of the tracks, that each release maintains this quality and that the djs consistently play them out. that is all the criteria needed imo. despite what happened, lightning/bonzai were a very successful label on this merit.

anything business wise (like sales) is pure (rumour fuelled) speculation unless you are the label's accountant.

Its all about finding a happy medium...Bonzai were my fav label..successful in clubs, not so successful in sales

Posted by George Kendall on Apr-02-2003 14:45:

quote:
Originally posted by trancEyes22
ok truce

i'll admit i like to argue my opinion very passionately too, but sometimes i have to remember mine isn't always right (believe it or not hehe)

hehe no problem

Posted by demons on Apr-02-2003 14:49:

quote:
Originally posted by X-Hale
Its all about finding a happy medium...Bonzai were my fav label..successful in clubs, not so successful in sales

Bonzai had fantastic sales believe me. a lot better than the majority of labels out there. direct sales on Bonzai had very little to do with the end of lightning im afraid... so as a label Bonzai were successful throughout

Posted by VaNFeCto on Apr-02-2003 16:53:

Im goin on money and popularity.

Data
Positiva
Vandit
Perfecto
Black Hole
Euphonic
Lost Language

and neone else who hasnt gone under!!

Support The Artist!!

Posted by Rhythm on Apr-02-2003 17:14:

Do the label's sites post statements on marketing/financial data such as revenues and expenditures?

Posted by George Kendall on Apr-02-2003 17:17:

quote:
Originally posted by VaNFeCto
Im goin on money and popularity.

Data
Positiva
Vandit
Perfecto
Black Hole
Euphonic
Lost Language

and neone else who hasnt gone under!!

Support The Artist!!

pretty accurate....although I'd probably have Nebula/VC in there 2, considering they release Tiesto, Armin, Lange, Cosmic Gate stuff etc.. in the UK now

Posted by breakdown on Apr-02-2003 18:23:

in the end, success is all in the profit margins and gross sales.. you can be highly popular, generate the sales and still come up with a loss. And we all know, the losses don't come with success.

Posted by Steven Hays on Apr-02-2003 19:46:

Is it just me or are the labels that are run by DJ's very succesful???

ie:

Dj Tiesto - Blackhole
Oakey - Perfecto
PvD - Vandit
ID&T, although I don't know who runs it.

peace,

Steve

Posted by joeh on Apr-02-2003 20:16:

quote:
Originally posted by demons
my view of a successful label is based on consistency of quality club tracks.

a view of a successful label should not be based on rumours and speculation of their financial state...

it should be based on the quality of the tracks, that each release maintains this quality and that the djs consistently play them out. that is all the criteria needed imo. despite what happened, lightning/bonzai were a very successful label on this merit.

anything business wise (like sales) is pure (rumour fuelled) speculation unless you are the label's accountant.

The question was - which label is most sucessful financially - not what the stuckup ta's who love soemthing cause they think its cool believe to have released the best tracks.

And everyone, X-Hale knows his stuff.

Posted by George Kendall on Apr-02-2003 20:23:

No Joe.....I'm a blatant n00b

Posted by joeh on Apr-02-2003 20:38:

quote:
Originally posted by X-Hale
No Joe.....I'm a blatant n00b

fucking n00b - ban him.

Posted by George Kendall on Apr-02-2003 20:50:

quote:
Originally posted by joeh152
fucking n00b - ban him.

I registered before you and have a higher post count...that means I'm god

Posted by demons on Apr-02-2003 21:00:

quote:
Originally posted by joeh152
The question was - which label is most sucessful financially - not what the stuckup ta's who love soemthing cause they think its cool believe to have released the best tracks.

And everyone, X-Hale knows his stuff.

wow, you BOTH sound like you really know your stuff. im in awe of your knowledge

i was just saying what i reckon should be the interpretation of a successful label. they not all out there to make sh*t loads of money (but it would be nice). the main thing is the music....and btw the question said

quote:
Just wondering which trance labels people thought were performing the most succesfully in the last year or so (sales-wise and/or release-wise)

Posted by George Kendall on Apr-02-2003 21:52:

quote:
Originally posted by demons
i was just saying what i reckon should be the interpretation of a successful label. they not all out there to make sh*t loads of money (but it would be nice). the main thing is the music....and btw the question said

Like I said...its a happy medium between the 2

Posted by joeh on Apr-02-2003 22:17:

quote:
Originally posted by demons
wow, you BOTH sound like you really know your stuff. im in awe of your knowledge

i was just saying what i reckon should be the interpretation of a successful label. they not all out there to make sh*t loads of money (but it would be nice). the main thing is the music....and btw the question said

Yes, i also agree the main thing is the music, but the question was - which label is most sucessful in terms of sales and profit - so why dont you just go fuck a tree

Posted by demons on Apr-02-2003 22:25:

quote:
Originally posted by joeh152
Yes, i also agree the main thing is the music, but the question was - which label is most sucessful in terms of sales and profit - so why dont you just go fuck a tree

you got the question wrong again. i suggest you go and put your 4 inch thick glasses on and read...

quote:
Just wondering which trance labels people thought were performing the most succesfully in the last year or so (sales-wise and/or release-wise).

Posted by Lith on Apr-02-2003 23:28:

I guess I should clarify what I said shouldn't I? But, first I would like to give appreciation for the responses, and say that I'm glad it started quite a conversation heh heh. Anyways, what I meant by sales-wise was in terms of most sales by units sold, as well as most profit made. By release-wise, I primarily meant the quality of the tracks released. I hope this helps?

Posted by tc-fan on Apr-02-2003 23:28:

dont forget Trust in Trance label..which is the label for Astral Projection,Yahel,MFG etc....they been around since 89 i think...

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