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Originally posted by Shakka Wait, so Nellie is a born again Christian?

Yes, I'm a Born again Christian.

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Originally posted by arctic Isn't there one who really hates everyone's guts, and enjoys seeing us kill each other? This is really disconcerting.

maybe you can worship Satan im sure he hates everyone's guts and enjoys seeing people kill each other

No Nellie, that didn't answer my question. I asked you why the years 18-32 are missing in the bible. That's quite the chunk of time if you ask me.

Heh, this is somewhat on the topic. I was at ULTRA this weekend, and some man was standing there, telling us we were all going to burn in hell for listening to EDM. Guess what- He was a Christian.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade No Nellie, that didn't answer my question. I asked you why the years 18-32 are missing in the bible. That's quite the chunk of time if you ask me. Heh, this is somewhat on the topic. I was at ULTRA this weekend, and some man was standing there, telling us we were all going to burn in hell for listening to EDM. Guess what- He was a Christian.

Hrrmmm my friend, who's an aetheist, is down there and he got mugged outside of space this morning . God's wrath? Absolutely!

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Originally posted by albertoR maybe you can worship Satan im sure he hates everyone's guts and enjoys seeing people kill each other

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I'm pretty sure that Satanism is not based on hatred or death. Part of the Satanic philosophy is that Satan is not really a bad guy, it's just that the bible and God depict him so in order to keep followers. Satan, in actuality (actuality as defined by the satanist), is no less forgiving, or pleasant than God, it's just that Satan doesn't have his own book or messiah to back him up.

I googled Satanism, and this is what i found:

http://www.dpjs.co.uk/modern.html

yeah i knew some kind of comment like that would come up, but i didnt specify. Actually i wasnt refering to Satanism. They dont even believe in Satan. They only use him as a symbol of rebellion. I meant Satan from christian/catholic religion. You know, the bad guy. aka, the devil, lucifer, belzebu

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Originally posted by albertoR yeah i knew some kind of comment like that would come up, but i didnt specify. Actually i wasnt refering to Satanism. They dont even believe in Satan. They only use him as a symbol of rebellion. I meant Satan from christian/catholic religion. You know, the bad guy. aka, the devil, lucifer, belzebu

Dude why don't you just quit while you're ahead, you obviously have no clue what you're talking about. Whether or not you call yourself an agnostic, you're still stuck in the Christian quicksand and don't seem to understand anything about other religions. Satanists do believe in Satan (duh) and it's no more about "rebellion" than Wicca is. You only consider it rebellion because you consider Christianity the "rules."

Bah, I've had enough of this guy. Friggin' Texans are all a bunch of religious nuts.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade No Nellie, that didn't answer my question. I asked you why the years 18-32 are missing in the bible. That's quite the chunk of time if you ask me. Heh, this is somewhat on the topic. I was at ULTRA this weekend, and some man was standing there, telling us we were all going to burn in hell for listening to EDM. Guess what- He was a Christian.

That's not cordial though.. What is ULTRA? I don't think I've heard of it.

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 That's not cordial though.. What is ULTRA? I don't think I've heard of it.

Have you been living in a box? How can you sign up on tranceaddict and not know what ULTRA is? It's a huge music festival that took place on Saturday. 50 000 people, over 200 DJs. Tiesto, PVD, Ferry, Junkie XL, Johan... it's during WMC... the Winter Music Conference.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade Have you been living in a box? How can you sign up on tranceaddict and not know what ULTRA is? It's a huge music festival that took place on Saturday. 50 000 people, over 200 DJs. Tiesto, PVD, Ferry, Junkie XL, Johan... it's during WMC... the Winter Music Conference.

I'm not living in a box. But, I'm not able to do much anymore..

But, it sounds pretty awesome. I'm not a major major trance listener. But,I do like trance. I tend to stick with hardcore,happy hardcore,and rave more often.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Dude why don't you just quit while you're ahead, you obviously have no clue what you're talking about. Whether or not you call yourself an agnostic, you're still stuck in the Christian quicksand and don't seem to understand anything about other religions.

Yeah, i think you are the one who dosen't understand shit, so here is some information for you before you start tossing bullshit critisism

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Originally posted by DigiNut Satanists do believe in Satan (duh) and it's no more about "rebellion" than Wicca is. You only consider it rebellion because you consider Christianity the "rules."

I got this from a Satanist webpage with information about Satanism and their symbols and beliefs. http://www.dpjs.co.uk/modern.html
Apparently, they consider it asign of rebellion. And no i don't consider Christianity the rules, what gave you that idea? just because i chose to debate against a dipshit like you? anyways here is what Satan represents to Satanists.

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Satan is not a real, living entity, conscious or a physical thing that can be interacted with. It is a symbol, something ethereal, something that basically doesn't exist except as an emotional attachment and personal dream. Just like Buddhists do not worship Buddha, Satanists hold up Satan as an ultimate principal rather than an object of literal worship. Satan inspires and provokes people, like all (honest) religions the ultimate point is self-help. God believers have a different opinion on what Satan is, but their opinion is a result of their religion. Satanism's Satan is much more eclectic and multicultural than to be defined by Christianity or Islam. Satan is the dark force in nature representing the carnal nature and death of all living things. Satan is the best word to describe our powerful and independent symbolic figurehead and our opposition of God and organized religion accords with even traditional views of Satan(REBELLION). The materialism of Satanism (even the spiritual components are highly reductionist) is a direct challenge of God, Allah, and all or other religious symbols. Satan wishes to replace God. The Christian Bible and other artefacts of religion may be plundered and misused as required as they're merely Human inventions. The social engineering aspect shows through with our imagery and style, we control people with it.

And you can find more information on how Satan is not real tot he Satanists, and he is just a symbol if you do a little bit of research instead of being a fuckhead.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Bah, I've had enough of this guy. Friggin' Texans are all a bunch of religious nuts.

Texas is my location, im not from Texas. I've had enough of you though, go smoke some legal weed, go fuck your mom, go shoot yourself, i dont care. Just fuck off please, thank you.

Let's clarify here:

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Originally posted by albertoR I got this from a Satanist webpage with information about Satanism and their symbols and beliefs. http://www.dpjs.co.uk/modern.html

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1. Satan is not a real, living entity, conscious or a physical thing that can be interacted with. It is a symbol, something ethereal, something that basically doesn't exist except as an emotional attachment and personal dream.

True. They don't consider Satan to be a real living conscious physical entity. Christians do not consider God to be a real living conscious physical entity that can be interacted with either. Perhaps they are more spiritual and abstract with their beliefs than Christians are, but that does not mean they don't "believe in" Satan - they just don't believe in the same Satan that Christians do. You're grasping at straws here - as the page itself says, the religion draws parallels with Buddhism, and saying that Satanists don't believe in Satan is about as good as saying that Buddhists don't believe in Buddha.

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Apparently, they consider it asign of rebellion.

To which you quote:

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Satan is the best word to describe our powerful and independent symbolic figurehead and our opposition of God and organized religion accords with even traditional views of Satan.

I took out the "rebellion" word because that wasn't actually on the page. Please tell me that you are not saying that opposition to God and organized religion is rebellion. I am opposed to God and organized religion, am I rebelling? The word rebellion applies specifically to a government or an established convention (LOOK IT UP), of which Christianity is neither.

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And you can find more information on how Satan is not real tot he Satanists, and he is just a symbol if you do a little bit of research instead of being a fuckhead.

Thank you. I've done my research. The extent of your research, on the other hand, was likely that google "quickie" you pulled out of your ass 5 minutes before you posted that.

Damn, you are just such a whiney, self-righteous, overweening Christian!!!

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Originally posted by DigiNut Let's clarify here: The extent of your research, on the other hand, was likely that google "quickie" you pulled out of your ass 5 minutes before you posted that. Damn, you are just such a whiney, self-righteous, overweening Christian!!!

Im as much a whiney, self righteous, overweening "christian" as you are a ****. and..

Actually this guy pulled it out

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Originally posted by nic01445 I googled Satanism, and this is what i found: http://www.dpjs.co.uk/modern.html

dude, dont just spill comments like that...oh yeah and if you do some research of satanism im sure you will find Satan is a symbol of rebellion. And you can rebel against anything, not just your government.

edit: oh yeah and i found this

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"Satan is not a conscious entity to be worshipped, rather a reservoir of power inside each human to be tapped at will" "Satanism: The Feared Religion" by Peter Gilmore

Unlike Satanists, Christians DO worship God. Contrary to what you said in one of your posts.

AlbertoR, You obviously can't seem to understand the difference between worshipping something and believing in it. I'll leave you to figure that out on your own, and once you do, reread my previous post to you.

As for the rebellion, it is a symbol of rebellion only to Christians or people who were previously Christian. End of discussion.

ok buddy you win

EDIT: ahh i cant help it.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Satanists do believe in Satan (duh)

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You�ve seen us on the streets. I rode the bike right next to you in the gym today. I�m that guy you cut in front of in traffic. I held the door open for your wife and kids going into the market too. Who are we? We�re Satanists. Black cloaks and pentacles, that�s us too. Hollywood fears us and right wing fundamentalists hate us. Legend has us murdering and having sadistic and depraved ceremonies all in the name of Satan. When you speak the word Satanist, do you believe these sources? Fear and hate us if you will, but read the truth, The Street Satanist. Articles by avowed Satanists Hollywood will titillate. Christian Fundies will tell shocking and vicious lies. The Street Satanist is brought to you by Reason and Intellect. More Satanic virtues you will find inside. Pssst� Here is the funny part� We don�t even believe in Satan!

http://www.satanism101.com/

Oh whats that? Satanists don't believe in Satan? Guess i was right

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Satanism and devil worship are two distinctly different animals. Devil worship is what it is: the worship of an external deity (in this case, a "devil"), much as it could be labeled inverse Christianity -- that is, confining yourself to the Christian religion and overall model, but merely choosing the "bad guy" in their Bible instead of the purportedly central character. The Satan in Satanism is an archetype, one many know by name and is relative to the culture.

The first is Devil Worship, of the Devil depicted by christianity. Which was really what the joke i said to Arctic was all about.(page 32) Then someone came and changed it to satanism which wasn't what i was talking about. See you really got worked out about a simple joke that wasnt even referred to you.

Maybe Satan is not a symbol of Rebellion for the Satanists, whatever, i was wrong. But you were wrong as well, as they do not believe in him. That's all i wanted to say.


PS. This thred is way out of topic now

wowww, this is still hot. i havnt looked at this thread in like 4 days, even though i started it. but u all know my arguement. that god is real.

anybody go to the Ultra 6 festival in Miami?? it was rockin!!

do u guys think this thread should go to the 'classic threads' section??

its jsut a big flame war full of insults..so no

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Originally posted by albertoR its jsut a big flame war full of insults..so no

there was some good debating. me included. but i lost it in the 20's pages. i also made another identical thread in the chill out section. and also, there was a evolution/creationism thread too. i was on here for like a week spending 2 hours or so, making responses to these three topics. i gave up last friday...

Ultra 6 Miami was AWESOME

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Originally posted by Heinz there was some good debating. me included.

If you consider good debating to be sprouting an abundance of logical fallacies, making poor attempts to evangelize a bunch of atheists, and copy pasting a load of bible verses, then I'm inclined to agree!

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Originally posted by arctic If you consider good debating to be sprouting an abundance of logical fallacies, making poor attempts to evangelize a bunch of atheists, and copy pasting a load of bible verses, then I'm inclined to agree!

That was uncalled for.

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 That was uncalled for.

I might be inclined to agree with you here, except this is EXACTLY what Heinz has been doing up to this point.

He has done nothing but post Bible versus to assert his points (which is the definition of Begging the Question fallacy/Circular Reasoning), he has yet to answer a great many questions and contradictions that have been pointed out to him by me and others here, and also attempted to evangelize and proselytize us with other biblical verses.

So that covers logical fallacies, evangelization to others (atheists alike), and copy/pasting biblical passages. So I fail to see exactly what part of Arctic's statement is incorrect. Perhaps you can explain.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I might be inclined to agree with you here, except this is EXACTLY what Heinz has been doing up to this point. He has done nothing but post Bible versus to assert his points (which is the definition of Begging the Question fallacy/Circular Reasoning), he has yet to answer a great many questions and contradictions that have been pointed out to him by me and others here, and also attempted to evangelize and proselytize us with other biblical verses. So that covers logical fallacies, evangelization to others (atheists alike), and copy/pasting biblical passages. So I fail to see exactly what part of Arctic's statement is incorrect. Perhaps you can explain.

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Blah blah blah blah blah blah ...

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Originally posted by occrider Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Blah blah blah blah blah blah ...

Damn it, I only have a bible with modern croatian/english. I'd like to get my hands on one with all those ye's, thou's and that kind of stuff. Which version is that?

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Damn it, I only have a bible with modern croatian/english. I'd like to get my hands on one with all those ye's, thou's and that kind of stuff. Which version is that?

The all authoritative king james version.

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