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Originally posted by Abhay WTF happened to this thread? WE all have a common interest and passion in this website. CAn we please leave out the prejudices and propaganda of our leaders out of this discussion? WE're all humans here, and we all love the same thing: music. WHy not let this passion unite us, instead of just flaming each other like fucking 8 year olds trying to be cool. Just have a sensible discussion, regardless of what side your on. Anyone can swear and curse and scream things out, but it actually requires a level of maturity and intelligence to have an insightful discussion.

The "lets all be candy ravers, PLUR" card doesn't work, but yeah these guys need to be injected with a massive dosage of common sense.

Captain obvious to the rescue: if it wasn't for the oil, the rest of the entire world wouldn't give a shit anymore about the Middle East - everyone is completely sick of your neverending dick-measuring wars. Trading name calling between "filthy zionists!!!" and "anti-semitic!!!" won't do anything except push our patience.

btw, another morning nicely started.. with 4 katyusha hits, one of them about 3 miles away

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Originally posted by Dj Alex (ISR) children who are holding bombs and guns.. real guns must be killed.

What?
A brainwashed child who has been raised by an irresponsible parent/social structure should be punished because they know no other way. Give me a break. How many of these kids have ever had a toy trainset, or a football to kick around. A bike to ride. A kite to fly. Computer games.
I'm sure you get my drift.
Don't blame the children as they have not even had the chance to find out for themself how wrong their belief has been structured.

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Originally posted by Psy-T btw, another morning nicely started.. with 4 katyusha hits, one of them about 3 miles away

Damn and I thought rush hour here in the states was a bad way to start the morning. Keep safe and be safe.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z That's not exactly correct. Media coverage on this issue (Israel-Palestine) is far from being accurate, objective, or non-biased, and you know that just as well as I do.

Your response to something PKC said.

This maybe the case in the US, but in Aust we get a good coverage of both sides by SBS - a govt run station based for ethnic cultural immigrants. They give a well based coverage from both views.

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Originally posted by Psy-T quite a few of their hits here land in the sea which leads to assume there's very little aiming involved..

That's a good thing (sort of), I hope you guys get through this, and hopefully both sides can come to a diplomatic solution. (probably be hard seeing the hizollah leader is saying they won't stop attacks, and Israel is saying they will continue for at least a week).
You seem to be the only / most level headed Israeli on these boards.

The PLUR thing was kinda tongue in cheek. I am just amazed at how someone who is into the trance scene - which is one of the most obscure, non-mainsteam musical cultures globally - can harbour such undenied pure hatred for others. It lacks conscience really.

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Originally posted by skot_e which is one of the most obscure, non-mainsteam musical cultures globally - can harbour such undenied pure hatred for others. It lacks conscience really.

+1

poser = Cyrus and Hardcore Trancer

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Originally posted by skot_e What? A brainwashed child who has been raised by an irresponsible parent/social structure should be punished because they know no other way. Give me a break. How many of these kids have ever had a toy trainset, or a football to kick around. A bike to ride. A kite to fly. Computer games. I'm sure you get my drift. Don't blame the children as they have not even had the chance to find out for themself how wrong their belief has been structured.

dont blame me that they are no civilazed people.. they had there chance to be civilized.

PALESTINIEN FOOTBALL TEAM:


and again.. poor innocent children get killed.. LOOK WHY !!














FUCK THEM

WHO IS HANGING UP WITH TERORISTS WILL END JUST LIKE TERORISTS. DEAD!

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Originally posted by psychosomatica The term anti-semite is actually thrown around a bit too loosely... If you look up the definition of a semite, it actually encompasses the people of a region.. it doesn't address the people of the jewish faith in particular. Choose your words wisely. Furthermore, I believe they refer to zionists, not jews.. there is a difference.. noam chomsky is not a zionist, but is a jew. I'd also like to add that there are some hardliners for the otherside too that may not seem like it, but do show signs of religious bigotry.

was reading about Jews on Wikipedia the other day, and the semites are as you say apparantly only people of a region, and could be muslim, christian or jewish.

plaus it said that there are the Black jews of Ethiopia etc, who would not be considered semites, but are Jewish.

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Originally posted by svens_bath was reading about Jews on Wikipedia the other day, and the semites are as you say apparantly only people of a region, and could be muslim, christian or jewish. plaus it said that there are the Black jews of Ethiopia etc, who would not be considered semites, but are Jewish.

the anti semic was born last century when german jounalist wrote it first in connection to jews.

The problem with your "FUCK THEM" statement, is that your refering to photo's of children who for the most part don't select their own wardrobe, and those that do have been raised by a cycle of hatred and violence burned into their psyche by thier parents/gaurdians. It is NOT the fault of the children. they may grow to be the next suicide bomber, but that is because they are being told it is a good thing to do.
The photo of the Football team... what's that for? A response to my football etc comment? how many of those footballers have blown themselves up at an Israeli cafe/bus etc? i don't know, but I'd guess none. But you still want to get rid of them I suppose. If not, I applaude you, but then I would expect you to extend that to the children, for they may be the Palestian Football team that wins the 2018 world cup (In Australia... I hope).

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Originally posted by Dj Alex (ISR) the anti semic was born last century when german jounalist wrote it first in connection to jews.

well then it looks like it has been confusion somewhere...i guess anti-semite could be a term that has become specific to Jews through common usage, but from what i understand, it is slightly misleading.

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Originally posted by skot_e The problem with your "FUCK THEM" statement, is that your refering to photo's of children who for the most part don't select their own wardrobe, and those that do have been raised by a cycle of hatred and violence burned into their psyche by thier parents/gaurdians. It is NOT the fault of the children. they may grow to be the next suicide bomber, but that is because they are being told it is a good thing to do. The photo of the Football team... what's that for? A response to my football etc comment? how many of those footballers have blown themselves up at an Israeli cafe/bus etc? i don't know, but I'd guess none. But you still want to get rid of them I suppose. If not, I applaude you, but then I would expect you to extend that to the children, for they may be the Palestian Football team that wins the 2018 world cup (In Australia... I hope).

i dont give a shit about their football team.. even if they will win the world cup and i wont care.
just understand one thing. i dont have problem with palestinians.. i have problem with palestinians using weapons.. who will useweapons againts my country will get weapon used againts him, that the deal.

That's fair, but the children aren't fighting this conflict, they are being photographed for propoganda purposes. Sure they are being 'trained' in a juniour military situation, but if they were playing with toy cars and dolls, they would grow up in a more normal mindset. i'd bet the people who run these schools are pretending they are playing to the very young.

I've always said that a world without guns and religion would be more peaceful.

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Originally posted by skot_e That's fair, but the children aren't fighting this conflict, they are being photographed for propoganda purposes. Sure they are being 'trained' in a juniour military situation, but if they were playing with toy cars and dolls, they would grow up in a more normal mindset. i'd bet the people who run these schools are pretending they are playing to the very young. I've always said that a world without guns and religion would be more peaceful.

so who is the to blame that the children has no toys? Israel? Maybe.. Palestinien goverment? yas..
you can blame israel 30% Palestine 70%

I'm not blaming the Israeli's for this, I'm defending the attacks, which I deam wrong, against the children, and the attitude being held through this threads pages by some that they should be killed.

If all the money that was being spent on weaponry was instead invested in the rebuilding and infractructure of Palestine, the people (ie not Hamas but the civilian population) would be more welcoming. Not all of them hate Israel, that's just something some people like to think.

As for the reasons being that it's not their land it's ours etc, well stop living in the past, and start looking to future, trying to build a solid foundation for living side by side. It's like that letter someone printed out, the 'war' is lost. Israel will never just pack up and move so the only way to stop the killing on both sides is to work TOGETHER. The sooner everyone gets that into thier heads, the sooner I can have a holiday on the nice looking beaches of the region.

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Originally posted by Dj Alex (ISR) i dont give a shit about their football team.. even if they will win the world cup and i wont care. just understand one thing. i dont have problem with palestinians.. i have problem with palestinians using weapons.. who will useweapons againts my country will get weapon used againts him, that the deal.

we have a draft that (on paper) forces every man and woman to serve for 2 or 3 years here in israel, almost all of them have been trained to shoot firearm.
theoretically and legally, we don't have a choice about it, we're the property of our nation for those 2-3 years and there's (again, legally) nothing we can do about it.

if i'm not mistaken the lebanese and the palestinians have a choice regarding joining the army or the hezbollah.

supposing that's true, according to your philosophy all israelis should be killed when they reach the age of 18 because they all use guns at that age, semi-automatic rifles even, we are all trained to kill.


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Guys check out this famous 'Ibiza Children' vedio done by Cyrus:

Link

He is featured in it somewhere in the crowd.

Why dont you guys report him to the Canadian Police. Police can identify him from that vedio.

They are already arresting 'terrorists' for posting such things on internet anyways.

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Originally posted by Purple Guys check out this famous 'Ibiza Children' vedio done by Cyrus: Link He is featured in it somewhere in the crowd. Why dont you guys report him to the Canadian Police. Police can identify him from that vedio. They are already arresting 'terrorists' for posting such things on internet anyways.

actually hes not in the video becuase hes the one who SHOT it you moron.

ANd when people are being shut up by me and the others. all you whining zionists resort to calling people "terrorists" becuase you have nothing else to say.

Show me ONE post or sentence where innocent civilians are wished to die by me and Hardcore??? Meanwhile.. you zionists cant open your eyes and see who the REAL terrorists are in this. its your fuckin miliatry in Isreal. THEY ARE TERRORIZING LEBANON

just to show that i'm not only criticising the israelis (i wouldnt have replied to it otherwise, potential for an answer is dim):

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Originally posted by Cyrus King WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE CANADIAN FAMILY THAT WAS KILLED??? WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE 48 PEOPLE THAT WERE INDISCRIMINATELY BOMBED TO PIECES JUST NOW?? You are the king of selectively answering people on this forum even when evil is blatantly on your side.

what do you have to say about the caps lock? why are you even here cyrus? honestly, do you do anything aside from this juvenile hate-mongering around here? why did you even come to this thread? you're basically posting the exact same thing you would in your thread, keep your flame wars in there.


i just realized why it's easier to criticse the israelis: their posts actually have some substance beyond a link to an article; the anti-zionists have nothing but hate, with not even as much as an explanation of why.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Show me ONE post or sentence where innocent civilians are wished to die by me and Hardcore??? Meanwhile.. you zionists cant open your eyes and see who the REAL terrorists are in this. its your fuckin miliatry in Isreal. THEY ARE TERRORIZING LEBANON

yeah, neither of you have taunted the israelis about sleeping in bomb shelters and such, right?
there's no magical way in which it applies only to the zionists living in israel, there was absolutely no distinction that i'm not included as one to be insulted and offended by your taunting, and i'm way far from being a zionist.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King actually hes not in the video becuase hes the one who SHOT it you moron.

lol, take it easy.



Anyways..:

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BEIRUT (AFX) - Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora today pleaded for the international community to organise an immediate ceasefire, accusing Israel of massacres and of wanting to blast his country "back 50 years". In a statement, he "implored the international community and the Arab countries to work towards installing an immediate ceasefire" to end Israel's week-old offensive against Lebanon. At least 230 Lebanese, mostly civilians, have been killed by Israeli bombardments over the past week so far, and tens of thousands of people have fled the country for their lives. Israel, Siniora said, is "committing massacres against Lebanese civilians and working to destroy everything that allows Lebanon to stay alive. "The intensifying aggression in this barbaric way proves that Israel has decided to push Lebanon back 50 years." He said the punishing attacks from the far more powerful Israeli military have destroyed service stations, roads, food warehouses and homes, as well as army barracks and posts. [email protected] afp/cmr

8 hits in the past 30 minutes, the first bunch were more than 15km away, couldnt hear them.. last 5 were all between 3 and 6 km away.

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New York Times, this morning

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With the Lebanese death toll exceeding 200 and the Israeli count at 24, the increased efforts to turn to diplomacy showed little prospect of an immediate way out. In Lebanon, a vast majority of those killed were civilians, while in Israel about half of the dead were civilians.

I must say, even though i was refusing to take sides on this it does keep looking like the death tolls are disproportionate eh? Israeli civilians dead -> aprox. 12, Lebanese civilians dead -> aprox. (given the 'vast majority') 100, if not more. How long really can Israel keep justifying these attacks if they keep killing innocent people and not hezbollah milicia?

just a question out of curiosity - are all hezbollah 'soldiers' fighting this war in standardized uniforms? if not, how can they be distinguished from civilians post mortem?

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