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Originally posted by jon jon lol forget the clubs even, try EVERYWHERE! Business meetings, laywer's offices, hospital staff. EVERYWHERE.

This man tells the truth... I've been given way more narcotics at marketing functions, seminars, meetings, lunches, golf games, etc. by business associates then I have at parties by friends.

geroin, I don't even want to imagine what EDM and the whole scene in general would look like if it weren't for drugs and their respective drug users. You can look down on drug users all you want, but they're the ones who got the scene to where it is today, and the ones who keep it going after all these years.

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Originally posted by Chris Allen Who are you to say that me being sober at a party is wrong? I would take being sober and partying over doing drugs any day. The fact that it's comical is the fact that instead of enjoying the music, you end up spending your time trying to defend your drug use writing paragraph over paragraph (in yellow to make a point nonetheless). You can lead quite a constructive life, sure. But I can lead a life just as constructive and productive without the use of any illicit drugs, so I defend my decision, and I will continue to do so. And people like me, don't have a problem defending their decision to party sober. Thanks.

By getting defensive and angry for no reason, you have revealed your weakness in reading comprehension. Where did I attack your decision to party sober?

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Oh no! Heaven forbid someone has a condescending tone towards something illegal and possibly dangerous! You may be the majority in a board related to dance music or any sort of music in general, but you're far from a majority of society in your argument. Edit: I just want to add one more thing. I am not against people using drugs for recreation, abuse, or addiction. You have every right to ruin your lives, kill yourself, or change your orientation on the type of enjoyment you have in an evening (which ever order your chose is up to you). However, when you try to tell me that I may be doing something wrong to defend the fact that I do not use any drugs and continue to practice a clean lifestyle: I don't agree with you. Hence my responses to your overbearing and also equally condescending posts.

My tone was not condescending. It was defensive due to your condescending tone in your previous posts.

Maybe you should take a deep breath and count to 10 before reply to something that I post, because you obviously get so riled up by what I say, that you fail to understand the points I'm trying to convey.

Oh, and I'm deeply hurt by the fact that you pointed out that my font is in yellow.

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Originally posted by The Highroller Oh, and I'm deeply hurt by the fact that you pointed out that my font is in yellow.

your font is the same color as my pee.........

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Originally posted by geroin drugs have fuck all to do with the vibe, in my opinion the vibe is created by the people attending the event, the location and the music that the dj is playing. Like i said if an event was taking place at sonic and drugs were not present the vibe would be absolutely the same. Yes the club would be 50% less full and patrons would not stay as long but it would be the exact same thing.

Sorry man, but I completely disagree with this. Why do you think people are more friendly and open for discussion at afterhours/raves than regular bars? Because MDMA makes gives you feelings of empathy and acceptance. Why do you think people dance so much, for long periods of time, usually not really caring what they look like when they dance? Because E lowers inhibitions and contains amphetamines that increase your energy and stamina. These are just a few examples.

Also, you keep citing points like this

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At no point i generalized and said that all drug users have no appreciation for the music. What i did say was that most not all do it solely for the purpose to get fucked up. I'm sure those that do drugs and really appreciate the music would still attend events if drugs did not exist in the first place but the percentage of these people is very small, i would say probably about 50% of the scene would be gone which in my opinion which is a huge number.

How did you come up with this? This is based purely on your speculation. You don't really have any basis for making an estimation like this. As a matter of fact, it would be nearly impossible for anyone to make any estimation of this nature.

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Originally posted by zokissima Personally, I can respect your choice, and in some way even admire it. It is a choice of will to be active and healthy. However, I have one problem with the [ideas presented]. There is an undeniably strong undertone to... the posts stating that [one enjoys] parties on a more pure, if you will, level. That you are more righteous, and have a right to it, that you appreciate the music solely for the music, and that somehow it entitles you to a greater title than those taking drugs. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with you disagreeing with drug use, but generalizing and demeaning the types of experiences and personalities associated with drug use is a flawed argument IMO. In many instances I'll even be inclined to agree with you, in that a lot of drug users don't fully understand their positions, but at the same time, some benefit of the doubt should be given to them, that not all drug users are as oblivious as you seem to think.

This edited quote is basically the point I am trying to make in this thread.

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Originally posted by urban_legend your font is the same color as my pee.........

If my font is the same colour as your pee, you should be concerned about the levels of nitrate in your urine.

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Originally posted by The Highroller you have revealed your weakness in reading comprehension

hah owned. I heard your voice clear as day in this line. lol When you speak my synesthesia sees yellow, so ah-hah!

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Originally posted by The Highroller If my font is the same colour as your pee, you should be concerned about the levels of nitrate in your urine.

that or my eyes are pooched

the ironic thing for me is when people claim to be more about the music whilst sober, but in actuality they have no idea what the music is about in the first place. lol

of course one can enjoy the tunes without being botched, but the whole "WHY IT WAS MADE" part goes right over your head.

argue with me all you want kids, I'm here all day...

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Originally posted by jon jon the ironic thing for me is when people claim to be more about the music whilst sober, but in actuality they have no idea what the music is about in the first place. lol of course one can enjoy the tunes without being botched, but the whole "WHY IT WAS MADE" part goes right over your head. argue with me all you want kids, I'm here all day...

Why does it have to be about how or why it was made, arent we just suppossed to enjoi it? Smile at each other on the dance floor and dance our asses off? I don't like when people seperate themselves because they know more about the music or the technicalities of it all. Not saying you are one Jon Jon just making a statement.

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Originally posted by SummerWolf Alright im gonna add a little bit more... We were at a house party someday, mostly all my friends and one of my chick friends brought her sister.... which was really hot and looked older than my friend... So we all start popping and i look at my friend's sister and not really thinking i asked her if she wanted one... so she popped one and then proceeded to tell me it was her first time... so i was like... oh cool...about 1 hour later... i asked her sister how old she was... her sister told me she was 14 years old.... fuck! Then the kid was trying to have sex with me and asking me to touch her boobs... when i said no she said i was an asshole... Oh... another reason why i dont like E... i dont like chewing my face off... i dont like people coming up to me and with their eyes popping out of their face while chewing their tongue: DDUDDDDE I AM SO FUCKED UPPPP WOW ITS SO AMAZING!!! I remember some of the times when i was fucking sketchy.... god was it ugly. I remember trying to hide UNDER couches or going under carpets in house party and make people trip.... dont ask me why i had this habit of hiding under things and start meowing....but that is a whole other story. At the end... if you want to take it go ahead. Respect people that do or do not take it. Everybody is entitled to their choices. If there was no drugs, the scene would survive. Its like saying the rap / hip-hop scene would die coz there is no coke and shit or that all Emo kids wouldnt be emo without lsd,mush or weed.

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Originally posted by SummerWolf dude... jail bait.... want another story? first time i ever did E... So before doing E i was actually doing speed... and one day i am in an afterhour in quebec city and that girl ask me if i want to come back with her and 2 of my friends to do some MDMA... so i was like... sure...get to her place... i pop my MDMA.... after about 30 minutes i start feeling a tingling in my arms and hands... i was like... nicccce... then it hit me... it hit me so freaking hard that i actually slid of the couch and the heat inside me was so impossible to contain that i took off my visor and my shirt and i just rolled in ball with a huge smile on my face... then i was grabbing myself and slowly moving my hands on my arm... then my friend pulled out those big fluffy white mittains they use to wax car and asked me to wear them.... then hug myself again.. that was the best feeling ever... and that is how i started meowing coz someone said i looked like a cat with those mitts... anyway... the day went on.... they made me do GHB, and more MDMA... went to another house party during the day... walked in on an orgy... i popped more and more... at the end of the "party" i had popped 4 MDMA, 3 shot of GHB and 3 E......i actually passed out coz i was too fucked up and my friends though i was ODing... i fell asleep with a pill in my hand coz i was about to pop more... So ya... to everybody out there... yes i had an amazing time... but i fucked myself over quite good... so dont do that lol

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Originally posted by SummerWolf well honestly... stories like that i can go on for days and days... although i am posting most of the good ones, i have stories such as me being in a house party where i didnt know anybody and that girl comes up to me and ask me if i got pills and i gave her my last 2 since i was falling asleep. What i didnt know is the people in the house gave her a lot of GHB. Well i woke up the next day and i went home... didnt know what happened that night. 6 months later i was partying in my appartement and the same girl was there. Me being too high i didnt really recognize her until we talked and were able to remmeber that night. She then told me that after popping the 2 Es, she drank a little bit and half passed out... she got gang raped... while i was sleeping downstairs. That kinda freaked me out a shitload... i was feeling super guilty... that night i almost ODed..... i was so... feeling like shit (consider i was on coke and a few Es) that i pulled out a gram of K and did it all one shot... collapsed on the floor for 2 hours... couldnt talk... neither move... then when i came back to normal 2 hours later i couldnt walk , was kinda paralyzed from waist to toes.... took me about few days to come back to normal.. that night i railed some coke, did some freebase (smoking not injecting), a shitload of E and K... that was actually then that i decided to stop taking drugs all together...

I call bullshit on all of your posts.

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Originally posted by urban_legend Why does it have to be about how or why it was made, arent we just suppossed to enjoi it? Smile at each other on the dance floor and dance our asses off? I don't like when people seperate themselves because they know more about the music or the technicalities of it all. Not saying you are one Jon Jon just making a statement.

no that's ok, my argument would apply no differently to someone not FULLY and UTTERLY understanding the guts behind Lou Reid without doing heroin, or Pink Floyd without ever doing acid.

I was less discussing the technicalities behind it all, and more trying to make the point that art and drugs have been intertwined for a while now, and that "GETTING" 100% of the msg the artist was conveying sober cannot be achieved.

Arguable of course...

and ps. I'm the first person on the dancefloor to let it all go and to just rock out.

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Originally posted by jon jon no that's ok, my argument would apply no differently to someone not FULLY and UTTERLY understanding the guts behind Lou Reid without doing heroin, or Pink Floyd's - The Wall without ever doing acid. I was less discussing the technicalities behind it all, and more trying to make the point that Art and drugs have been intertwined for a while now, and that "GETTING" 100% of the msg the artist was conveying sober cannot be achieved.

I agree with that, but you dont have to be on drugs everytime you listen to music to understand it. It is enough to experiance the music on drugs several times. And then when you are sober you will still retain that deeper understanding of the music, not 100% of it but to a certain extent.

of course

my argument applied more to people who have NEVER EVER done any kind of "club drugs", virgins so to speak.

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Originally posted by jon jon and ps. I'm the first person on the dancefloor to let it all go and to just rock out.

Less is More Jon Jon, Less is More

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Originally posted by musicsnob_NOT I call bullshit on all of your posts.

why is that? what can of proof do you need? wanna come see my digestive problems? or do u want actual pics of the parties i had? i have nothing to gain to post about something that never happened, i aint saying all that crap to put myself out there to look better but for some people to understand what happened... there is more stories than that... but to say that its all lies without knowing me, or my past is pretty damn rude of your part

I do agree those stories are fucked up, but they happen, it doesnt only happens in movies or books. Some people die and some people survive, i was lucky enough to understand and walk away before i went to jail or died myself... some of my friends didnt end up being so lucky.

Its easy to judge someone without knowing them but to discredit me right off the bat is damn plain immature.

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Originally posted by The Highroller Sorry man, but I completely disagree with this. Why do you think people are more friendly and open for discussion at afterhours/raves than regular bars? Because MDMA makes gives you feelings of empathy and acceptance. Why do you think people dance so much, for long periods of time, usually not really caring what they look like when they dance? Because E lowers inhibitions and contains amphetamines that increase your energy and stamina. These are just a few examples.

That is fine, i respect your opinion but i obviously have a different view on this. I disagree with you also. If for example you go to a regular pub on a friday night do you see people chilling out by themselves minding their own business? It is actually absolute opposite, everyone is chatting and almost everyone is friendly. Even if you're by yourself and go by the bar to get a beer you will most likely end up striking up a conversation with somebody. While in any afterhours club a lot of people actually HATE communicating or talking to people while they are experiencing a high. Lots of people want to be left alone and dance their night away by themselves, many are even rude from my experience.
I'm pretty much always friendly when i'm at a club, doesn't matter either its top 40, guv or til I will always say hi and chat for a bit if I know who you are..

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Originally posted by The Highroller How did you come up with this? This is based purely on your speculation. You don't really have any basis for making an estimation like this. As a matter of fact, it would be nearly impossible for anyone to make any estimation of this nature.

I'm gathering it from my own experience and from what I've seen. It is obviously an assumption and not a fact but me you and the rest of the people on here know for fact that not everyone parties for the love of the music. To prove my point, go to guv/the drink/gallery on any given saturday and ask 10 sketchy people who the dj is, i'd say 6/10 would tell you they don't know. Hell 80% of the guv are asian people and most of them don't even care what music is being pounded in those speakers as long as it is.

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Originally posted by jon jon no that's ok, my argument would apply no differently to someone not FULLY and UTTERLY understanding the guts behind Lou Reid without doing heroin, or Pink Floyd without ever doing acid. I was less discussing the technicalities behind it all, and more trying to make the point that art and drugs have been intertwined for a while now, and that "GETTING" 100% of the msg the artist was conveying sober cannot be achieved. Arguable of course... and ps. I'm the first person on the dancefloor to let it all go and to just rock out.

I totally agree, I loved house music well before the drugs came into play, but sometimes when you are in that state of mind you hear differences from when you hear it sober. Does anyone else get that?its kinda cool because even though you are listening to the same song its different and its almost like having twice the library for listening too.

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Originally posted by The Highroller If my font is the same colour as your pee, you should be concerned about the levels of nitrate in your urine.

Maybe they just took a multivitamin!

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Originally posted by Skipper Maybe they just took a multivitamin!

I do take em everyday, my mom said I would grow up strong like bull. I am still waiting........

I'm not sure if I'm going to make any sense, but how many of you actually believe that taking drugs makes music 'better', or is it merely a perception, or an illusion?

Now I'm one of those 'virgins' who haven't done any sort of drugs, unless you count being around weed smokers and tons of alcohol.

I admit that certain times when I get drunk, I will go around and dance like a maniac even at a top40 club. Intoxication is a funny thing.

But am I dancing like a maniac because alcohol made top40 music better, or is it just the effects of alcohol... encouraging me to dance to top40?

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Originally posted by EvilTree I'm not sure if I'm going to make any sense, but how many of you actually believe that taking drugs makes music 'better', or is it merely a perception, or an illusion? Now I'm one of those 'virgins' who haven't done any sort of drugs, unless you count being around weed smokers and tons of alcohol. I admit that certain times when I get drunk, I will go around and dance like a maniac even at a top40 club. Intoxication is a funny thing. But am I dancing like a maniac because alcohol made top40 music better, or is it just the effects of alcohol... encouraging me to dance to top40?

Well thats different, thats because top 40 is crap hahah. Anything you can do to make it better do it!!!!

I think its the effects of alcohol there, two questions, did you like top 40 before you got drunk and do you dance to top 40 normally?

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Originally posted by EvilTree I'm not sure if I'm going to make any sense, but how many of you actually believe that taking drugs makes music 'better', or is it merely a perception, or an illusion?

Of course good music is just a perception, there's no absolute way to measure the goodness of music. And yeah, they definitely make music better. Me and Mona would blaze a lot and just listen to music in the car while we were high, and I can tell you the emotions and feelings and just plain goosebumps the songs stirred in me I'd never get when I listened to the exact same songs when I was sober. It's something you can't really understand till you experience it first hand.

Speaking of which, alcohol just makes me more jumpy and more willing to dance, but it has no effect on my appreciation of music (i.e. everything sounds the same as it does when I'm sober). Weed or E on the other hand pushes your enjoyment of music to such a limit that you feel like if you don't dance to this, right now, you're going to explode from the enjoyment of it. This alone makes alcohol a much more inferior drug to weed imo.

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Originally posted by jon jon also I think I know all 58 people who clicked 200+ lol

that makes two of us, lol.

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