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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I'm honestly not sure, but I don't think that, being in the US on a student visa (right?) he could legally buy a gun at his local Wal-Mart anyways. So if he didn't even obtain the weapons legally in the first place, what would stricter gun laws really do to affect situations like this?

Assuming the reports are correct, he did infact obtain the gun legally, he had a place of residence in the US (his parents place) and thus could purchase a gun legally. They even found his reciept for one of the guns. However he could only buy one a month, so he waited till the next month roll around for the second one. Clearly he was determined to follow through with his plan, it wasent a spur of the moment decision.

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Originally posted by Import Assuming the reports are correct, he did infact obtain the gun legally, he had a place of residence in the US (his parents place) and thus could purchase a gun legally. They even found his reciept for one of the guns. However he could only buy one a month, so he waited till the next month roll around for the second one. Clearly he was determined to follow through with his plan, it wasent a spur of the moment decision.

Bingo. This was incredibly methodical, and the kid (regardless of his abilities as a playwright) is proving to have been at least moderately clever.

that's seriously fucked about the gun transaction.
They said he'd spent time in a psych facility and still passed the background check for his gun purchase.


In California, anyone who spends at least 24 hours in a psych hospital must sign a legal document barring them from any firearm handling/purchasing for 5 years, and +5 for any returning visits. Once someone starts getting to the end of the ban (~a year), they have the choice to appeal.

The idea that the psych hospital stay wouldn't show up on a background check that was "squeeky clean" boggles my mind

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Originally posted by Import Assuming the reports are correct, he did infact obtain the gun legally, he had a place of residence in the US (his parents place) and thus could purchase a gun legally. They even found his reciept for one of the guns. However he could only buy one a month, so he waited till the next month roll around for the second one. Clearly he was determined to follow through with his plan, it wasent a spur of the moment decision.

Though I feel that it's too easy to get a gun, there is a process, and it's obvious that the process fails sometimes from screening out the wrong people. That's the way of processes. However, I can think of many, many "wrong" people that have taken advantage of the process and shouldn't be allowed to own guns. They just don't get caught.

In any case, he was certainly determined. Determination and money will get you pretty much whatever you want, regardless of whatever laws are installed.

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Originally posted by Zayatz http://www.expressen.se/polopoly_fs/1.642132!defaultImage/3680675757.gif/ ???

broken link .... what was it?

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Originally posted by StanVoid broken link .... what was it?

probably the leak from tonights nightly news

the media he sent to MSNBC were video, photos and letters

Just finished making a memorial to put up here at my schools campus. Tommorow im planting a tree next to the memorial. Plus the tree will be decorated with the names pics info on lamanated cards of the 32 vicitims

My 50Cent....

Gun or No gun control..... Im stating the obvious here but the responsibilty is down to the individual human being.

You never gonna stop that kind of human behaviour....

Peace out

This kid was a psychopath...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/

Pictures and video are online now....

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Originally posted by ki_crasher@uk My 50Cent.... Gun or No gun control..... Im stating the obvious here but the responsibilty is down to the individual human being. You never gonna stop that kind of human behaviour.... Peace out

I base my opinion on what I loosly understand the Brits stance on gun control is. That is guns should only be used by police special ops or civilians for hunting. Fire arms that aren't used for hunting should be banned period. Hand guns in particular are really only designed to do one thing and that is kill people. If you haven't figured it out by now they're easy to conceal and can be brought into a public place and used to to kill lots of innocent ppl like in this incident. I know banning them will never happen even if it makes sense to do so because we Americans love our guns so much so that we don't care if many innocent lives are lost do to them. Selling guns is also big business, so expect more of the same in the future. Btw, for those of you who say banning guns wouldn't eliminate it from happening, it surely would greatly diminish the chances.

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Originally posted by Demoted You honestly think that if it had been harder to legally obtain a firearm, the guy wouldn't have gone through illegal means to find one? You can't truly be that ignorant.

how does "get fvcked" sound einstein?

you know what- lets not try and control any kind of behaviour because there are obviously those that will indulge in said behaviour despite laws to the contrary. lets get rid of all speed limits, i mean if people want to speed they certainly can anyway, right?

where do you think most illegally obtained weapons come from mate? wouldn't be your legal gun trade do you think? why are there so many illegal weapons floating around in the US? wouldn't be the lax controls on the sale of weapons would it? wouldn't be the misappropriation of legally obtained firearms?

you and anyone else that denies the fact that easily-obtained firearms are part of the problem are the wilfully ignorant ones. so before you make yourself look like an idiot, perhaps put a little thought into your over-simplified bunch of nonsense.

now, you may go back to ignoring all the stats and how those advanced liberal democracies that exercise strict gun-control laws have far less misery and suffering caused by firearms. have a nice day.

Wow, although I dislike how this is being exploited all over the media, I was drawn into it as intended and saw that update on the footage sent to NBC. And all I have to say is that this guy is insanely mad.

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Originally posted by david.sound Wow, although I dislike how this is being exploited all over the media, I was drawn into it as intended and saw that update on the footage sent to NBC. And all I have to say is that this guy is insanely mad.

Yes, he was. And there was a point-of-no-return at some time in the past (maybe one or two years ago) - and everything was slowly culminating towards the shooting since.... and nobody saw it. That is certainly the main thing with this shooting (and not the freedom to buy weapons): why did nobody notice that early enough?

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Originally posted by _Nut_ This kid was a psychopath... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/ Pictures and video are online now....

he likes every movie i like

i just saw the pics and video

what a sick and entirely disturbed human. His voice sounds like its straight from fucking Napoleon Dynamite, and his messages are so vague ... Watching this video is almost surreal. It's like seeing this murderer suddenly spring back to life for one moment to give us his final twisted message. this shit's just disturbing.

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Originally posted by stren It certainly would've been harder, sure if someone is hell bent on obtaining a gun, even a total ban on guns wouldn't stop him.

No more hard than it is to obtain any illicit drug.

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Originally posted by StanVoid i just saw the pics and video what a sick and entirely disturbed human. His voice sounds like its straight from fucking Napoleon Dynamite, and his messages are so vague ... Watching this video is almost surreal. It's like seeing this murderer suddenly spring back to life for one moment to give us his final twisted message. this shit's just disturbing.

He talks just like I would have imagined gathering from his horrendously written plays.

wow, what a messed up and inarticulate jackass. is nbc the preferred venue of psychos?

Hey guess what... now the Scientologists have come in to prey on the victims's grief.

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The Church of Scientology has dispatched "ministers" to provide "grief counseling" for shell-shocked youth at Virginia Tech - but critics suspect the sect hopes to convert the vulnerable students.

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/r..._a_time_to.html

I wonder how many other sects and fringe groups take advantage of this tragedy to spread their word?

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Originally posted by StanVoid broken link .... what was it?

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You wanna read something really fucked up? We all know he shot people, but go read the www.time.com article where the one of two remaining survivors in the classroom describes how he methodically killed them. Basically the people sat there helpless for minutes knowing they were going to die. He slowly shot everyone taking his time, so its not like he ran in and sprayed up the place. The dude, walked in slowly shot after shot killed people, as others watched. Reloaded, shot again...that musta been the worst part, if it was instantaneous maybe it woulda been best, but these people had to watch him reload, and know what was coming, thats what really botheres me. Then he came back in again, and shot up the bodies just to make sure, thats some fucked up shit.

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About halfway through class we heard the noises. Someone said something like, "It's probably just construction." The noises didn't stop. The teacher stiffened up and said "That's not what I think it is, is it?" That's when I remember going into panic. I pointed at the teacher and said, "put that desk in front of the door, now." She did it, and then said "someone call 911." Colin to my right stood up and called 911. Related Articles At that point, the door was nudged open aggressively, and I saw a gun emerge into view. It was surreal. Following the gun was a man. He was Asian and had a lot of ammunition and gun gear on � like a big utility belt or something for ammo. That was the only glimpse I got. I quickly dove under a desk � that was the desk I chose to die under. He then began methodically and calmly shooting people down. It sounded rhythmic � like he took his time in between each shot and kept up the pace, moving from person to person. After every shot I thought, "OK, the next one is me." Shot after shot went off and I never felt anything. I played dead and tried to look as lifeless as possible. Sometimes after a shot, I would hear a quick moan, or a slow one, or a grunt, or a quiet, reserved yell from one of the girls. After some time (I couldn't tell you if it was 5 minutes or an hour), he left. The room was silent except for the haunting sound of moans, some quiet crying, and someone muttering "it's OK, it's going to be OK. They will be here soon." I [propped] my head up just enough to mutter in a harsh whisper, "play dead. If he thinks you're dead then he won't kill you." Shortly after, the gunman returned. My head was down the whole time. I continued to play dead. He began unloading what it seemed like a second round into everyone again � it had to be the same people. There were way more gunshots than there were people in that room. I think I heard him reload maybe three times. I think it was the sound of reloading � they were long pauses. He continued to shoot everyone over and over. After every shot I braced myself for the next, thinking, "This one is for me." I remember having stray thoughts,like "I wonder what a gun wound feels like. I hope it doesn't hurt. I wonder if I'll die slow or fast." I had come to accept my death, but the fear was still there. I was terrified that my parents weren't going to be able to go on after I was gone. I kept thinking about my parents. There was a girl in front of me � I didn't know her well. I didn't know her name. We kept eye contact from time to time. She was brave. I don't think she cried. We just stared at each other under the desks. When the gunman finally left, I heard the police barge in the hallway doors and yell "get down! Get down!" The cops pounded on the door and asked someone to open it. I think eventually they just came in and told us to walk out if we could. I got up and put my hands up. Just me and that one girl next to me got up. She had a gunshot wound � I hope she is OK. I think she is � she was walking. I am so proud of her for staying calm. She would have been the last person I had made eye contact with on this earth if I had died.

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Originally posted by Mentol

wow that gave me chills.

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