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I think Kleiza is more a SF than SG, given his size. Parker will either start or backup Delonte, I assume? Cavs seem intent on moving Wally, so I guess the outcome of that will determine if they still pursue Kleiza.

I'm guessing the Raps won't go after Kleiza with Wright and George on board. With both Humphries and Jawai gone, the rumour that the Raps are trying to bring Rasho back seems much more likely (good move too).

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Originally posted by MarkT I'm guessing the Raps won't go after Kleiza with Wright and George on board. With both Humphries and Jawai gone, the rumour that the Raps are trying to bring Rasho back seems much more likely (good move too).

god knows Raps need all the rebounding, and other than Bosh, Nesterovic has been Raps most consistent rebounder when he was here in ages

Offers to Delfino and Pops have been rescinded as per Colangelo's comments (MP3)

that's 2 days old though...before they gained a more flexibility with the big 4 team deal. either/both could still come back.

they still have the mid-level exception too. someone pointed out that George and/or Wright could yet be traded, since they have expiring contracts.

anyone know if the Raps exercised the team option on O'Bryant yet or is that still TBD? As of now, he's the only backup to Bargnani, so we have to assume they're targeting a C.

There's a Colangelo interview on Eric Smith's blog where he says that they'll be able to bring back Delfino on his bird rights so that it doesn't count towards the mid-level at all....so they can sign Delfino and still have the whole mid-level as well as bi-annual exception to use....and by the sounds of it he's got a few more big things brewing....it seems like we're in a way better spot right now to really make a splash....hate on BC all you want (PETER! HAH) lol...jk....but fuck....he was on the ball with this one....what he just pulled off puts us in the best case scenario moving forward....better than the best case scenario actually....probably along the lines of rabbit out of a hat.

interesting...

Is it the case that because of the sign-and-trade scenario, the Raps had enough cap room to sign Turkoglu without having to renounce Delfino? (because if they did renounce him, I understand they lose the option to sign him and exceed the cap under the Bird rule)

if that's the case, wow...brilliant.

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Originally posted by slingshot There's a Colangelo interview on Eric Smith's blog where he says that they'll be able to bring back Delfino on his bird rights so that it doesn't count towards the mid-level at all....so they can sign Delfino and still have the whole mid-level as well as bi-annual exception to use....and by the sounds of it he's got a few more big things brewing....it seems like we're in a way better spot right now to really make a splash....hate on BC all you want (PETER! HAH) lol...jk....but fuck....he was on the ball with this one....what he just pulled off puts us in the best case scenario moving forward....better than the best case scenario actually....probably along the lines of rabbit out of a hat.

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Originally posted by MarkT interesting... Is it the case that because of the sign-and-trade scenario, the Raps had enough cap room to sign Turkoglu without having to renounce Delfino? (because if they did renounce him, I understand they lose the option to sign him and exceed the cap under the Bird rule) if that's the case, wow...brilliant.

Yep this is exactly what i read on espn.com yesterday.
It mentioned how they went from thinking they were going to renounce their rights to Delfino
to being able to easily re-sign him if they chose to.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Fixed. And now I think I have to agree. The Spurs have been under the radar with their signings and I think they might be the team to beat next year. Adding Jefferson was a big move and now adding a big, mean body down low to work with Duncan just might put them over the top. Only chance the Lakers have is Bynum playing for 75+ games next season so he can solidify his game.

I still wouldnt forget about Boston.
Old, ya of course..but Garnett healthy and picking up Rasheed..
Lets not forget, WITHOUT Garnett they only lost in 7 to the eventual Eastern conference champion.
I think we can agree that Garnett is not just a small cog in the Boston machine.
Its too early to predict and i'm not saying they WILL win but...they're right there

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I love how the "Elite" are getting even more stacked and everyone else is left in the dust.

lol totally agree...its like stacking teams in NBA Live

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Originally posted by TheVrk Yep this is exactly what i read on espn.com yesterday. It mentioned how they went from thinking they were going to renounce their rights to Delfino to being able to easily re-sign him if they chose to.

Ivan! still a Raptors fan over there?

Indeed, Doug Smith mentioned that in an article tody as well. They didn't have to renounce Delfino, so he can sign for whatever. Rasho and the team expressed a mutual desire for him to come back, so I wonder if it's a just matter of talking numbers and it's going to happen.

Give credit where credit is due. It was some guy from finance that came up with the idea to bring Orlando in which put us in the current situation (heard it on the radio yesterday). Now they have the MLE, LLE and they can still pick up Delfino (unless he changed in Euro, I still think it's a useless move). I'm pretty sure that's the situation now.

Somebody mentioned on another forum that we should grab either Nate Robinson or Josh Childress with the MLE and Rasho with the LLE. I like the idea of Childress coming over here. Nate wouldn't be bad as a 6th man either. And as you guys mentioned it's almost a given that we're getting Rasho back. I dunno how I feel about that.

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Originally posted by TheVrk I still wouldnt forget about Boston. Old, ya of course..but Garnett healthy and picking up Rasheed.. Lets not forget, WITHOUT Garnett they only lost in 7 to the eventual Eastern conference champion. I think we can agree that Garnett is not just a small cog in the Boston machine. Its too early to predict and i'm not saying they WILL win but...they're right there

Yea that's true too.

I can't wait for next season

We have the mid-level again next year as well. So we can add a mid-level this year, and another mid-level next year. In this environment the mid-level has essentially turned into what used to be the $8-9mil contract. If Bosh stays, we add two solid mid-level players, factor in next year's draft....shit.

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Raptors signing Jarrett Jack to offer sheet Posted on: July 11, 2009 6:28 pm LAS VEGAS -- The Toronto Raptors are on the verge of signing Pacers restricted free agent Jarrett Jack to an offer sheet, CBSSports.com has learned. Terms of the deal aren't yet apparent, but Jack, 25, would be a younger, faster replacement for Anthony Parker, who has agreed to a two-year deal with Cleveland. As a versatile combo guard, Jack would back up point guard Jose Calderon and also see time at the scoring guard spot. Once Jack signs the offer sheet, the Pacers have seven days to match.

Not too sure I like this very much. BC could swing a trade a for a solid back up pg more than likely...maybe someone like Keyon Dooling and use the mid-level to bring in another high quality player. I would even prefer signing Nate Robinson to Jarrett Jack...I think he would be much more dynamic coming off the bench and give the Raptors second unit a really nice look. I guess it comes down to money though...interested to see how much this offer is going to be worth.

I agree that it depends on the money. I hope Doug Smith is talking out of his ass when he says it could be a 4 yr deal totaling 16 mil or more.

I like Jack and think he's a bit underrated...plus he is can easily play both G positions, so he would bolster a thin backcourt bench. Definitely not on the level of Nate, but I'm guessing he would cost too much and want more minutes than he'd be likely to get in Toronto.

so Jack played with Bosh in college? I can't help but wonder if that's just a happy coincidence, lol!

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Originally posted by MarkT I agree that it depends on the money. I hope Doug Smith is talking out of his ass when he says it could be a 4 yr deal totaling 16 mil or more. I like Jack and think he's a bit underrated...plus he is can easily play both G positions, so he would bolster a thin backcourt bench. Definitely not on the level of Nate, but I'm guessing he would cost too much and want more minutes than he'd be likely to get in Toronto. so Jack played with Bosh in college? I can't help but wonder if that's just a happy coincidence, lol!

Nate would definitely have more of an impact on offense but Jack brings some intangibles to the team that Nate couldn't; mainly his relationship with Chris Bosh. I'm almost certain Colangelo knew exactly what he was doing when he made the offer.

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Originally posted by MarkT I like Jack and think he's a bit underrated...plus he is can easily play both G positions, so he would bolster a thin backcourt bench. Definitely not on the level of Nate,

i agree with u mark that jack is underrated. he is actually a solid guard

the only thing with nate is at 5'10" he's a defensive liability like all small guards who have played in this league

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Originally posted by Porky the only thing with nate is at 5'10" he's a defensive liability like all small guards who have played in this league

no way!

He blocked Yao Ming!


He jumped over Dwight and dunked on him on all-star weekend!


I bet he could guard the low post better than Bargs, Bosh, and Evans combined!

defending is not about jumping and blocking

it's quite useless to have a small guard when it takes is for a 6 and half footer to take half step back for a jump shot

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Originally posted by MarkT Ivan! still a Raptors fan over there?

heh noooo...just an NBA fan

Gotta say that the signing of Jack is defo solid.
I like the electricity Nate Robinson brings but Jack is a better overall player...
let alone the fact he's not a defensive liability.

You always gotta love a guy who can (in spurts) run the team from the 1 and score some at the 2.
And be able to hold his own defensively from both spots as well.
One thing i like is he's not a player who forces up shots just to score - its the 1-man's mind in him.
Jack's not REALLY underrated, but underrated nonetheless.

Good pick up.

Apparently the Raps trade Devean George to Golden State for Marco Bellinelli.

Looks like Delfino is probably out now.

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Sources: Raptors nab Belinelli By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports 40 minutes ago Yahoo! Sports The Toronto Raptors� intrigue with running a European-modeled franchise advanced again with a trade for Golden State guard Marco Belinelli(notes), NBA sources told Yahoo! Sports on Wednesday night. The Raptors will send Devean George(notes) to the Warriors. Belinelli, an Italian guard, was a favorite of Toronto GM Bryan Colangelo prior to the 2007 draft when the Warriors selected him with the 18th pick. Belinelli averaged nearly nine points a game for Golden State last season. He joins fellow Italian Andrea Bargnani(notes) on the Raptors roster. George, 31, arrived in Toronto this summer as part of the Shawn Marion(notes) sign-and-trade with Dallas. He averaged 3.4 points a game for the Mavericks.

sweet deal!

hmmmm...it does kind of make Delfino redundant, doesn't it. With Calderon Jack, Ukic, Derozan, Banks and now Belinelli, that's a pretty full back court.

do they have anything left to spend or was most/all of the mid-level used to sign Jack?

Delfino could have been brought on (and still could) because of his Bird rights. so maybe they still sign Delfino...and trade him to bring aboard a SF to backup Turkoglu? I don't think Antoine Wright is really the answer there.

BC continues to surprise us!

I like that we traded somebody as useless as Devean George and got a younger talent in return. At the same time though, this does nothing to really help the team. More of the same in my opinion. I guess BC is set on creating the most 1-dimensional team in the league.

I don't know how he sold this deal on the warriors, but I'm glad he did. But I agree with you guys, this is another jump shooter, and we're still lacking quality to attack the rim.

apparently the Raps added cash to the deal, which explains the 'steal' it otherwise appears to be on the surface.

agreed it's hardly an impact move, but once again BC creates something from nothing. the Raps get a player who's price and contract length result in no additional burden vs. the player they gave up and, given his age, has far more upside too.

Odom stays with the Lakers...smart move for them. Subtracting Ariza and Odom and adding Artest does not equal "repeat" in my eyes. Miami must be disappointed...they're going to suck again next year unless they make a move.

as per Doug Smith's blog in the Toronto Star...

Ukic + Delfino to the Bucks for Amir Johnson and Sonny Weems.

another solid move, IMHO. With Evans and Amir, the front court is a lot deeper than last year.

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Originally posted by MarkT as per Doug Smith's blog in the Toronto Star... Ukic + Delfino to the Bucks for Amir Johnson and Sonny Weems. another solid move, IMHO. With Evans and Amir, the front court is a lot deeper than last year.

I'd been hearing the rumors all day....I think its a good deal...the front court is going to be strong. Delfino wasn't going to play for the Raps anyhow.

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