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Originally posted by PETRAN Yes there were shit in the 90s, i know that. BUT, they also have those acts man. Today what do we have? I'm talking about EDM not some kind of down-tempo (e.g. not Ulrich Schnauss)Ok Derek Carr is very nice but he is a retro musician (those musicians look backwards not forwards!). What i say is that the vast majority of today's electronic dance music lacks the freedom, the innovation and musicianship that those acts had. What EDM albums do you like from the 00s?

Yeah I was talking about electronic music in general, and I have to agree that dance music of today is much weaker, but that was kinda inevitable. I mean, how far can you really go with that 4x4. Non-dancey music, however, is a completely different story.

I would actually argue that 00's had just two highlights concerning dance music; one was the rise of proggy-tech house around 2003 with Holden's Balance and BC (which unfortunately didn't last very long), and other was resurrection of dub techno in 2007/2008 (which unfortunately lasts longer than it should).

BTW, I was listening to Orbital's In Sides today (again) and I agree we probably won't see something as brilliant as that for a long time. That is THE album of the 90's. It perfectly defines the last decade, just like Kids or Hackers define it in the world of movies. However, I deeply believe that we're getting more good albums now, just not really brilliant ones like In Sides.

So in honour of In Sides, and 500th post, here's Adnan's, the best tune that will be posted in this thread:

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Originally posted by sljiva Yeah I was talking about electronic music in general, and I have to agree that dance music of today is much weaker, but that was kinda inevitable. I mean, how far can you really go with that 4x4. Non-dancey music, however, is a completely different story. I would actually argue that 00's had just two highlights concerning dance music; one was the rise of proggy-tech house around 2003 with Holden's Balance and BC (which unfortunately didn't last very long), and other was resurrection of dub techno in 2007/2008 (which unfortunately lasts longer than it should). BTW, I was listening to Orbital's In Sides today (again) and I agree we probably won't see something as brilliant as that for a long time. That is THE album of the 90's. It perfectly defines the last decade, just like Kids or Hackers define it in the world of movies. However, I deeply believe that we're getting more good albums now, just not really brilliant ones like In Sides. So in honour of In Sides, and 500th post, here's Adnan's, the best tune that will be posted in this thread:

OH YES! In Sides was one of my first music albums (in general) i bought it when i was 15! I used to have all the Prodigy albums and i thought that Orbital would play something similar...i also remember that at first i wasn't sure what i was listening to...but after 3 listens it all made sense and i remember that i experienced somekind of a mystical experience(!). I remember travelling to the layered (almost symphonic) electronic music of the Box part.1 (featuring cinematic synths and a playful sweet glockenspiel) and by the time the strings exploded to the Box part.2, i had an eargasm of some sorts! How couldn't i? That track featured the magical, genious combination of some-kind of a mystical santuri-sounding (a byzantine instrument)melody playing alongside slowly pulsating cosmic synths and cyber-punk robotic breakbeaty rhtyhms. This is genious. Despite the fact that i was young, i immediately thought that the current album was a very important musical piece, not just a cool angry electronic album (like The Prodigy) or just some electronic music to dance to. I even remember my mother stating how beautiful that music was! (my mother was a fan of Vangelis, Jarre, Floyd etc,)


This is the problem. You wont get this type of electronic music today, period.



Thanks for posting the magical "Adnan's" and reminding me of the beauty of that masterful album. It is surely the best electronic tune posted in this long thread...(and just slightly lower that the GY!BE piece i posted before )


Lets just hope that someone,somewhere,sometime, (somehow), will start a revolution, and for one more time, we will have the chance to hear some electronic pieces of art radiating from our speakers

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Originally posted by sljiva

btw have you guys heard carsten nicolai's new xerrox volume two cd?

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=157869

gorgeous.

i actually got to hear him play this stuff live when i was living in rome and he was at the german academy there. he did this incredible outdoor listening party there amongst the gardens. it was like straight out of umberto eco's 'foucault's pendulum'

I thought I was the only one who listens to Alva Noto...
Unfortunately, I haven't heard Volume 2 yet, but since Volume 1 was fantastic and last year's Unitxt was one of my favs from 2008 (and especially since Raster Noton is gradually becoming my favourite label - check out astounding Automne Fold), I can't wait to hear it.

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Originally posted by PETRAN This is the problem. You wont get this type of electronic music today, period.

Nope. I wish some talented folks would step up to the plate and give it a try.

I'll never stop hacking away at it, which is what I've been doing in the time I've been gone from this board. I've been working on some melodic stuff with beats lately. But I'm no P&P Hartnoll.

Hack hack hack...

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Originally posted by Trance-MB

i dont understand why u post that one all the time, its not that good and the dancer seems to pretent to be a mix between a bad lapdancer and britney spears.

This thread is boring now with all you nerd boobs competing in your creative writing contest

I say bring back the unicorns!

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Originally posted by palm i dont understand why u post that one all the time, its not that good and the dancer seems to pretent to be a mix between a bad lapdancer and britney spears.

It had nothing to do with the dancer, but the club where they played this music. And then people wanted to know which two tracks are played.

All the time? If you would read "all the time" you would have known why I posted it in the first place!!!!!

And you know what, I'm not even going to explain why I posted it over here....

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Originally posted by Trance-MB And you know what, I'm not even going to explain why I posted it over here....

That's alright, no one gives a fuck anyway.

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Originally posted by SMC That's alright, no one gives a fuck anyway.

Tell me something I don't know.

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Originally posted by nefardec ...the trouble now, i would argue, is that society has become so decadent and degenerative, caught in a decaying loop (i listen to too much dub lol). the consumerist/latecapitalist is simply out of control. just watch television for a few minutes to see this! i like to describe two ways of living based on the biological processes of anabolism and catabolism. i won't go any further here other than to say that i think right now we are deep within a catabolic process that is not sustainable.. any musical revolution must be precipitated by a technological and before that, a cultural revolution. I think this revolution needs to be a revolution from within, especially as technology opens up to individual creative power and then collective effort and collaboration

A book is coming to mind, here, that I really should take down off the shelf I've been saving it on, for a rainy day. The Culture of Narcissism by Christopher Lasch is an indictment of America's self-centered nature, written in 1979. I found out about this book after having occasion to research Narcissistic Personality Disorder; the symptoms of which seem almost etched into the cultural milieu - at least here in the United States.

One look at cable television is enough. The news channels seem like a throwback to Yellow Journalism. We seem to have entrusted our perceptual lens to people, such as D.L. Hugely and Geraldo Rivera, who seem to admire pathological narcissists like Illinois Gov. Blagosovich, recently seen sputtering syllogistic straw-man logical fallacy at his own impeachment.

The news channels seem to be reporting on the catabolizing cultural phenomena with a penchant for obduracy. The economic situation seems to have "just happened". Of course, they would ignore the legitimate erstwhile analysis of Country Wide Home-Loans as an economic parasite and much of the discussion on CNN didn't take place, on-air, until after Country Wide stopped being able to pay their advertising bills. Like the individual narcissist who recognizes the fact that he is in some rather hot water, they examine the events around them with very little reflection into the part they played in the manifesting fiasco.

I realize this can only loosely be related to music, but in-so-much as it is illustrative of a pattern, I find it appropriate, none-the-less. If it's any help, I'm an optimist about the whole situation, music and all. The catabolism, as chaotic as it might be, is also a sure-fire signal heralding the end of the age of narcissism. Anything and anyone that survives, after the process is complete, will surely want something other than what will have occurred, to occur again. What's more is that such a happenstance will result in both institution and individual, resilient enough to withstand such a cataclysm, be constructed of things which are not superficial, in nature.

At least, in-so-far as my intent is concerned, with regard to music, I try and make sure that it's not one-dimensional hack-stain. I think a lot of it has to do with one's ability, so far as that goes, and not necessarily an intention to make crappy music. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who make music and the creme of the crop isn't necessarily what's getting marketed.

I read an article by David Byrne about the different paths to getting music published from self-promotion to major label backing. He said that there are a lot of artists who have created genius works, that in the current environment, will never be heard. I've heard a lot of work that I consider above par; both in regard to musicianship and listenability. I've never heard them on the radio... yet.

The bottom line is that it is the internet, inundated with crap from both amateurs and professionals, alike, that also provides a vehicle for talent to eventually emerge. Right now, there are so many channels to choose from. Eventually, people will get tired of sifting through crap and develop systems of analyzing large batches of music for content that appeals to them. Critics, themselves, will become better organized at ferreting out the diamonds from the chaff, and be able to concentrate the promotion of better artists.

In short, believe it or not, I believe things are evolving. It isn't pretty and it may not get much better for a while, now, but eventually, the static will dissipate, the wannabes will become discouraged, and all manner of music will get better. For now, however, I'm content with that feeling of sifting through a few dozen songs to hear one I care to download and listen to, again.

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Originally posted by PETRAN I also think that computers have also been used in making electronic music right from the early-90s. Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't the famous Atari ST the professional music workstation which had an inbuild MIDI port? The first versions of Cubase and Logic (it wasn't called like that back then) were also exclusive for Atari ST (and Amiga 500/600 was good for graphics...the age of the legendary motorola processors...before Intel won the epic battle...). I have the impression that computers were used from back then. Ofcourse fewer persons had computers in the early-90s but the medium of production was kinda similar.

I owned the Atari and was introduced to it by a friend of mine. The sequencer I used was called Notator. For a computer program that only ran MIDI it was expensive. Add to that the cost of every piece of equipment needed to run it and you ran into upwards of 10,000 dollars just to get an idea down. Then you had to get it into a working studio.

No correcting you. I even remember a friend of mine who had an Amiga and a book that he regarded, much like the bible, about the benefits of MDMA.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I owned the Atari and was introduced to it by a friend of mine. The sequencer I used was called Notator. For a computer program that only ran MIDI it was expensive. Add to that the cost of every piece of equipment needed to run it and you ran into upwards of 10,000 dollars just to get an idea down. Then you had to get it into a working studio. No correcting you. I even remember a friend of mine who had an Amiga and a book that he regarded, much like the bible, about the benefits of MDMA.

Haha yeah man. Notator was Logic! That was the name of Logic back then.



Yeah i guess that it was much more expensive to make music back then. I guess that this was a typical studio of the times... (scroll down)


http://www.tweakheadz.com/history_o...and_logic2.html

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Originally posted by PETRAN http://www.tweakheadz.com/history_o...and_logic2.html

Fond memories. It was such a great program. Editing was a breeze.



The picture reminds me of all those horrible cables. Now it can all be done on the computer, cheaply. Don't get me wrong. There's plenty of equipment (as well as software) I would purchase, if I could, but considering I've written the music I have for less than one-thousand dollars in software, on my girl-friend's computer...

I wouldn't go back!

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Originally posted by EddieZilker

Thanks for the book recommendation. Your optimism is inspiring.

There's nothing else to do but to keep doing.

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