we attack everyone for posting up personal information, serious threads make no difference. If Nou is free to troll a serious thread i believe one is free to personally attack in one as well.
Though I don't think he's actually trolling (he genuinely thinks like that), you do have a point Posted by epicaricacy on Apr-07-2010 00:44:
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Originally posted by EddieZilker
What question?
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Originally posted by epicaricacy
so mentally ill people have no pain?
dumb dumb dumb dumb dummmmmmmmb
also i find it hilarious that you attempt to rationalize people with mental illnesses with logic.
system j is better at this than you.
Posted by idoru on Apr-07-2010 00:52:
You guys all suck.
Posted by EricB. on Apr-07-2010 00:55:
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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
It was obvious from how DA acted on Ourboard that he was NOT getting help. He posted there for a number of years after he quit here and I do not believe you are a member of that forum, so kindly fuck off when you say I didn't know what was going on.
It was very clear, not only to me, but I am sure to many many other that he had a death wish for a very long time.
he did have a death wish for a very long time. However, He was getting help. I dont want to divulge into the business of deceased man, but just for your knowledge he was doing what he could and was out doing the right things and seeing the right people. he lost his battle though. Help doesn't always work. It's help, not a get out of jail free card.
you know what nou and just to shut you up about how suicide's always hurt the fmaily and the people around I think I will tell you a lil story from my own personal experience. I dont tell many people about this. it recently happened to my family and I really shouldn't be sharing this on a public forum. However, I want to shine some light on you.
My grandmother recently died the other month and by definition she took her own life and thus committed suicide. At the age of 86. It all started with a cancer scare. She was hospitalized for a few weeks because they found something in her liver. She ended up giving up her house thinking she could no longer take care of it and sold all of her furniture. It ended up that it was nothing but a scare and the cancer has been present for 9 years and laid dormaint in her liver. She was released form the hospital and now had no home because she gave up the lease. She movedin with my aunt, but after a 2 months felt very uncomrfotable being there as she has always been independent and felt like a burden on my aunt. She checked herself into an old folks home. Things were going well in there for the first 2 weeks, when all of a sudden depression hit. She began starving herself knowing very well she had diabetes and this would most liley kill her. She hadnt eaten anything in weeks and called to talk her son, my father. She told my dad shes 86 and has lived a full life. SHe has nothing left to live for. All of her friends are dead and all of her family and siblings. She was the last one. She has seen all her grandchildren grow up and her children, and they no longer need her. She did not want to wait to die in a old person's home and was starving herself. Well at fiorst my father just thought she was crying for attention and let it be. Until we got a call that she entered into a diabetic coma from not eating. She came out of the coma and asked to see my father. So of course my mother and him, jumped on the next flight to italy. They met up with her, and played it off like they were there for vacation. The last 2 days of my grandmothers life was left spending time with her 2 children remisnicing about the good ol days, laughing and tears. She finally passed away after starving herself for 2 months with nothing but IV giving her nutrients. She died from complications from her diabetes.
She lived to be 86 years old. lived a full life. She was a person who always did what they want when they wanted. It was only suiting she would decide when she wanted to die. I am not god but she had nothing wrong with her other then diabetes, she could have lived for more years to come. She was a strong woman and knew when she her job here was done. She hasnt left any of the family in shambles. I am quite proud of her for how she dealt with it. If I live to 90 and i have nothing left, no meaning, no purpose, no more friends, no more family i too hope I am strong enough to know when too call it quits.
It was a peaceful passing and we grieved like we grieved when my other grandparents passed. It was a bit different of a death but it was very noble, and truly defined her personality. She felt she lived her life to its fullest and was ready to pass. My family is not in shambles over it and life went on. That takes strength and courage to me. Her last days she was afriad of pasisng in her sleep alone and would ask my parents to stay with her. She wasn't escaping a hell for her own self she just felt it was time. I don't know how that feeling is like I'm not 86 years old nor do i think i will ever reach that age, few people do.
Posted by EddieZilker on Apr-07-2010 00:59:
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Originally posted by epicaricacy
also i find it hilarious that you attempt to rationalize people with mental illnesses with logic.
system j is better at this than you.
I'm attempting to rationalize people with mental illness using logic? Really? How have I done that? How could I possibly rationalize a person, let alone one with mental illness? And on a more serious note, are you fucking retarded?
It's a stupid question, ipecac, that relies on a false assumption in order to have validity. If you can point me to where I explicitly stated that MI people don't experience pain (either physical or mental), I'll answer it, but it certainly wasn't implied by a nuance in my stated opinion which supports physician assisted suicide for people in chronic pain with a terminal illness. With the false assumption exposed there's certainly no reason to answer your question, at all.
Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Apr-07-2010 01:36:
Arguing about suicide is like singing to cure cancer.
Posted by Silky Johnson on Apr-07-2010 01:37:
Ugh god, reading this thread is worse than having my period.
Posted by EddieZilker on Apr-07-2010 01:38:
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Originally posted by jennypie
Ugh god, reading this thread is worse than having my period.
Posted by Silky Johnson on Apr-07-2010 01:43:
Posted by Lira on Apr-07-2010 01:48:
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Originally posted by jennypie
Posted by Silky Johnson on Apr-07-2010 01:51:
That guy is FUCKED UP looking. And then I thought of this:
Posted by EricB. on Apr-07-2010 02:39:
Aweeoboweh aweeoboweh aweeboweh aweeboweh
doo do do doo do doo do doo do do do dooooooooo
Circle of life my young simba lovin motherfuckas
Posted by Groundhog Boy on Apr-07-2010 03:01:
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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
That is by far one of the most disgusting things I have ever read here.
Very sick mindset melly. Very sick.
How much more guts would it have taken to fucking DEAL WITH THE SITUATION?
It takes no guts to kill yourself because there are no consequences. You are dead, you don't have to deal with the hurt and pain your severance makes with the world around you. Its a fucking cop-out.
Actually, what you've wrote in most of this thread is some of the far more disgusting shit I've read. You're apparently the only person that CAN'T empathize with the real victim...the dead person. And you actually have the audacity to call them the selfish one. What a fucking joke.
I mean, you're the one bitching and whining because your sole experience with suicide happened before you were even twinkle in your dad's pair. Where the fuck do you get off telling people that they should suffer just so people like your mom won't have to deal with a little mental anguish. You uncle's death didn't cause your mom to kill herself, so obviously it wasn't as painful. Or she just had a higher emotional pain threshold.
Posted by Groundhog Boy on Apr-07-2010 03:14:
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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
You act like I am really roiling in pain about this. You are right, it was before I was born. It didn't effect me. I also do not let my parents emotions affect me.
Based on everything you've stated as justification for your opinions in this thread, this is one of the most dishonest things I've ever read. OBVIOUSLY you've let your parents' emotions affect your ideas on something that is very personal and incredibly varied in motive, letting you generalize it into simply phrasing it so that "Suicide is selfish."
Posted by Lira on Apr-07-2010 03:16:
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Originally posted by jennypie
That guy is FUCKED UP looking. And then I thought of this:
O_o
Posted by igottaknow on Apr-07-2010 03:32:
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
What is "Ourboard?"
A long time ago in a Galaxy far far away, Boomer left the COR to start his "own" board. With him he took some of our misfits off our hands, like Nou and Echo of Silence. I'm not allow to tell you the name or the location of the DiscoBoomer.com forum.
Posted by Silky Johnson on Apr-07-2010 03:32:
Posted by Joss Weatherby on Apr-07-2010 03:43:
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Originally posted by EricB.
he did have a death wish for a very long time. However, He was getting help. I dont want to divulge into the business of deceased man, but just for your knowledge he was doing what he could and was out doing the right things and seeing the right people. he lost his battle though. Help doesn't always work. It's help, not a get out of jail free card.
you know what nou and just to shut you up about how suicide's always hurt the fmaily and the people around I think I will tell you a lil story from my own personal experience. I dont tell many people about this. it recently happened to my family and I really shouldn't be sharing this on a public forum. However, I want to shine some light on you.
My grandmother recently died the other month and by definition she took her own life and thus committed suicide. At the age of 86. It all started with a cancer scare. She was hospitalized for a few weeks because they found something in her liver. She ended up giving up her house thinking she could no longer take care of it and sold all of her furniture. It ended up that it was nothing but a scare and the cancer has been present for 9 years and laid dormaint in her liver. She was released form the hospital and now had no home because she gave up the lease. She movedin with my aunt, but after a 2 months felt very uncomrfotable being there as she has always been independent and felt like a burden on my aunt. She checked herself into an old folks home. Things were going well in there for the first 2 weeks, when all of a sudden depression hit. She began starving herself knowing very well she had diabetes and this would most liley kill her. She hadnt eaten anything in weeks and called to talk her son, my father. She told my dad shes 86 and has lived a full life. SHe has nothing left to live for. All of her friends are dead and all of her family and siblings. She was the last one. She has seen all her grandchildren grow up and her children, and they no longer need her. She did not want to wait to die in a old person's home and was starving herself. Well at fiorst my father just thought she was crying for attention and let it be. Until we got a call that she entered into a diabetic coma from not eating. She came out of the coma and asked to see my father. So of course my mother and him, jumped on the next flight to italy. They met up with her, and played it off like they were there for vacation. The last 2 days of my grandmothers life was left spending time with her 2 children remisnicing about the good ol days, laughing and tears. She finally passed away after starving herself for 2 months with nothing but IV giving her nutrients. She died from complications from her diabetes.
She lived to be 86 years old. lived a full life. She was a person who always did what they want when they wanted. It was only suiting she would decide when she wanted to die. I am not god but she had nothing wrong with her other then diabetes, she could have lived for more years to come. She was a strong woman and knew when she her job here was done. She hasnt left any of the family in shambles. I am quite proud of her for how she dealt with it. If I live to 90 and i have nothing left, no meaning, no purpose, no more friends, no more family i too hope I am strong enough to know when too call it quits.
It was a peaceful passing and we grieved like we grieved when my other grandparents passed. It was a bit different of a death but it was very noble, and truly defined her personality. She felt she lived her life to its fullest and was ready to pass. My family is not in shambles over it and life went on. That takes strength and courage to me. Her last days she was afriad of pasisng in her sleep alone and would ask my parents to stay with her. She wasn't escaping a hell for her own self she just felt it was time. I don't know how that feeling is like I'm not 86 years old nor do i think i will ever reach that age, few people do.
Wow, thats not suicide though.
There is a big difference between your grandma dying and the family knowing about it and being there and a parent not hearing from their son or daughter for a long time and worrying and their friends worrying and then finding their child dead in a bathtub bloated and decaying from not being found for a week after they slit their wrists.
My grandfather also went out like your grandma, I mean in the way that the family had time to be around him and we were all there for his death and it was a somber occasion but we knew that he had passed and that was that, he coulda taken more meds to keep his heart going for a while longer but there wasnt a point. Thats not suicide though, not even close.
Your view of suicide is pretty rosy if that is what you think of it.
Posted by Lira on Apr-07-2010 03:47:
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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Wow, thats not suicide though.
Well, she caused her own demise, didn't she?
What if, minutes before her inevitable death by malnutrition, she flung herself out the window and fell in an abyss? Would that change anything?
Posted by djhaziel on Apr-07-2010 03:47:
where is renzo ? where is that bitch when you need him ??
Posted by Silky Johnson on Apr-07-2010 03:51:
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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Wow, thats not suicide though.
Sure it is. It's called failure to thrive, and the elderly do it all the time. Have you ever watched someone give up? Starve themselves to death? Stop caring for themselves? Stop taking medication? Isolate themselves from everyone? You think that shit doesn't hurt families to watch?
You are so fucking thick.
Posted by Joss Weatherby on Apr-07-2010 03:58:
No, suicide should be determined off of the physical viability of the person. A bed-ridden elderly person is in the end of life stage. A 20 something with out a major physical medical condition is not.
This is why terminally ill or the elderly are allowed to have assisted suicide, as they are no longer viable humans.
Posted by Silky Johnson on Apr-07-2010 03:59:
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Originally posted by Silky Johnson
You are so fucking thick.
Posted by idoru on Apr-07-2010 03:59:
You guys need to give it up already, Jesus.
Posted by Joss Weatherby on Apr-07-2010 04:00:
Also they do not take their lives through an external force. If they do not sustain themselves than that is their body giving up. If they are so ill or old that they can not survive with out external help than its not suicide, its letting nature take its course.
