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btw the player that tackled Jenas, I dont think he meant to do that, they did have poor discipline as a whole though, their manager is meant to be a nutter!
That tackle on Jenas was nowhere near the ball, in fact I think the ball was behind the player as he did it. That was a red card offence, tackles like that have ended people's careers. The refereeing was scandalous to say the least, he let the game degenerate into a fouling match and by the time he sent off Butt and Swan it was already too late as the tackles were coming in thick and fast and it was clear what the Israelis were trying to do. They can count themselves very lucky they ended the game with 10 men.
I'm disappointed we let them get to us but when the referee wouldn't do anything about it I can understand why our players didn't fancy holding onto the ball too long. Butt should have shown a lot more professionalism with his experience.
Butt could be smacked with three-match European ban
Newcastle midfielder Nicky Butt is facing up to the possibility of a three-match European ban for his moment of Uefa Cup madness.
The 29-year-old England international lost his cool with Hapoel Bnei Sakhnin skipper Abas Suan just two minutes after replacing Kieron Dyer in Thursday night's stormy 2-0 victory at St James' Park, grabbing the player by the throat as the game turned ugly.
Portuguese referee Antonio Costa wasted little time in showing Butt the red card and also dismissed Suan for a second bookable offence and now the former Manchester United star will wait to hear his fate, although United are expecting the worst.
Butt will receive an automatic one-match ban for his sending-off but Uefa's disciplinary chiefs have the discretion to increase that to either two or three games depending on their view of the severity of his misdemeanour.
"At the moment, we're still awaiting the referee's report before a decision is taken on any further action,'' a Uefa spokesman said.
Johnsen deal 'until end of season'
Ronny Johnsen's agent Rune Hauge claims the Norwegian defender's new contract at Newcastle United runs until the end of the season.
Previous reports indicated that the deal would expire on 1 January.
"That is wrong," Hauge told Norwegian newspaper VG.
"The thing is that the contract has a clause which says that both Newcastle and Ronny can decide to terminate the deal on 1 January if certain conditions apply at the time.
"If Newcastle buy a new defender that keeps Ronny out of the team, he can find another club in January. And if Ronny gets injured and is unable to play for Newcastle, the club can terminate the deal."
Hauge revealed the 35-year-old Johnsen, who has Premiership experience with both Manchester United and Aston Villa, turned down an earlier approach from Southampton, but found the opportunity to join the Uefa Cup-chasing Newcastle too good to refuse.
Johnsen is excited about playing for such a well-supported club.
"Everything is good, and I have signed for Newcastle after training with the club," he told the Channel TV2 station.
"It is a very special experience to come here. This is a very big club with an enormous interest from the spectators."
The terms of Johnsen's contract will allow him to play for the Norwegian national team should he be called up by Aage Hareide.
w00t first win at southampton in more than 30 years.
Good stuff. 
I aint seen Carr's goal but it was from 25 yards if i'm not mistaken. 
Ameobi misses out
Newcastle striker Shola Ameobi is out of the Premiership clash with West Brom after damaging a hip.
The Magpies are hoping that the injury will clear up quickly, but admit it is a concern, although with Alan Shearer, Craig Bellamy and Patrick Kluivert available there is no need for undue concern.
Defender Titus Bramble is due to return to training on Friday after a troublesome groin injury, while Ronny Johnsen is still working towards match fitness, but Kieron Dyer is expected to be out for another four weeks with his hamstring injury.
United (from): Given, Harper, Carr, Bernard, Hughes, Elliott, O'Brien, Butt, Bowyer, Jenas, Robert, Milner, Ambrose, Shearer, Bellamy, Kluivert.
Going strong under Souness
And by the way how sick is Newcastles away shirt ?? 
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Two quality sides battled to a 2-2 draw at St Andrews, as Newcastle came from behind to earn a point against Birmingham. It was a game that always looked likely to be tight, and so it proved, with both sides holding the lead but being pegged back. Jermaine Jenas had given The Magpies an early lead, only for substitute Dwight Yorke to level. Matthew Upson's second half header put Blues ahead, but Nicky Butt's acrobatic volley earned Newcastle a well-deserved point on their travels. It could have been better for Newcastle with Laurent Robert's long-range free kick catching everyone by surprise, but smashing the face of a post and bouncing clear. A committed first half had seen Birmingham lose two key players through injury - but cancel out Jenas' early strike through Yorke. It had taken Newcastle just three minutes to open the scoring, when Patrick Kluivert shot ricocheted kindly for Jenas who side-footed home confidently from eight yards. An injury to Heskey saw Yorke make an early arrival to the game from the substitutes bench, and he was just too short to get his head to a curling Robbie Savage free-kick. Souness famously fell out with Yorke whilst Blackburn boss, and another of the players he had argued with at Ewood, David Dunn, turned provider for the diminutive striker's leveller. Dunn picked out the perfect pass for Yorke to run on to after Andy O'Brien's poor attempt to catch him offside. Despite dallying over his shot Yorke got lucky when the ball deflected off O'Brien's outstretched foot and in between Shay Given's legs before hitting the back of the net. The Birmingham defence were doing a fine job of keeping Alan Shearer and Patrick Kluivert quiet, but the latter indicated his fine form with a clever header that just lacked the power to defeat Maik Taylor. Birmingham had a shout for a penalty denied, when Stephen Carr appeared to shove Yorke in the box at the critical moment, but they lost influential midfielder Muzzy Izzet when his late and high tackle on Olivier Bernard left the Frenchman outraged, and the Turkish international in agony. The second half started with Kluivert being replaced by James Milner - the Dutchman picking up a hamstring injury. Savage's set pieces had given Newcastle problems all day, and his fine delivery was inch perfect for Upson to head home and give the hosts the lead on 57 minutes. Newcastle were in determined mood however and clawed the match level when Blues could only half clear a hopeful ball into the box, and Butt produced an acrobatic volley that flashed into the back of the net. Dunn saw a clever run and cut-back cut out in the six yard box and Savage hit the outside of a post with a fine volley that had left Given a spectator. Jamie Clapham cleared crucially off the line after Craig Bellamy had headed back into a crowded six-yard box whilst Given had to be alert when Savage won a drop-ball on the edge of the box and Yorke had a snap shot that looked destined for the top corner before the Irish keeper got a hand to it. Given produced another fine save to deny Dunn's downward header, clawing the ball away, but it was Robert who came closest to giving the game a winner, when his free-kick - from seemingly well outside shooting distance - struck the post with Taylor beaten. |
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Bernard contract wrangle rumbles on Olivier Bernard is still at loggerheads with Newcastle over his new contract - with the two sides seemingly as far apart as ever. The Magpies insist there is a fair offer on the table for Bernard, but he has hit back saying the club are showing him a lack of "respect" in their dealings with him. Bernard, out of contract next summer, will be able to talk to other clubs in January should a new deal not be agreed before then, and the Frenchman is not short of admirers at home and abroad having established himself as United's first-choice left back. He said: "The way they are treating me over the contract shows they have no respect for me - that's something I really don't like. "They don't understand what I want. I'd love to stay at the club but I don't want to waste my time. I think I've proved to that club what I can do. If they don't want me, they should say it." |
A very boring game imo. How does Jenas still get a game? He's utter shite. 
a draw methinks, or maybe a 3-2 bolton win
youve only won once at their place in prem
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| Originally posted by mentalbarter a draw methinks, or maybe a 3-2 bolton win youve only won once at their place in prem |
at the end of the day:
smoggies > magpies
im gonna be hoping for a draw today even though i feel bolton will start sliding soon, they remind me of our team a good few years ago. newcastle losing will probably benefit is in the long run but who knows...
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| Originally posted by Ste at the end of the day: smoggies > magpies |
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| Originally posted by Turner How can you such an awful thing, The table shows it all and we had Bobby Robson for the beginning of the season 1 Arsenal 10 8 1 1 29 10 +19 25 2 Chelsea 10 7 2 1 12 2 +10 23 3 Everton 10 7 1 2 13 9 +4 22 4 Bolton 10 5 3 2 16 12 +4 18 5 Man Utd 10 4 5 1 11 7 +4 17 6 Liverpool 9 5 1 3 16 8 +8 16 7 Newcastle 10 4 4 2 21 17 +4 16 8 Middlesbro' 10 4 3 3 17 13 +4 15 9 Aston Villa 10 3 5 2 13 12 +1 14 10 Tottenham 10 3 4 3 6 6 0 13 11 Portsmouth 9 3 3 3 13 12 +1 12 12 Charlton 10 3 3 4 9 17 -8 12 13 Man City 10 3 2 5 12 11 +1 11 14 Birmingham 10 1 6 3 7 9 -2 9 15 C.Palace 10 2 2 6 11 15 -4 8 16 West Brom 10 1 5 4 8 16 -8 8 17 Fulham 10 2 2 6 10 19 -9 8 18 Southampton 10 1 3 6 6 12 -6 6 19 Norwich 10 0 6 4 9 17 -8 6 20 Blackburn 10 1 3 6 7 22 -15 6 |
7 Newcastle 10 4 4 2 21 17 +4 16
8 Middlesbro' 10 4 3 3 17 13 +4 15
I dont think you are above us
I went to the game today and it was a shambles. The Reebok Stadium is in the middle of bloody nowhere, it's surrounded by farms and stuff. You get the train miles and miles out of Bolton to some random fields. It's an incredibly cheesy ground as well, there was a pathetic fireworks display and there were cheerleaders who looked about ten years old, a big TV screen in the corner of the ground, and when they scored they played TV music from Phoenix Nights and had two nobheads running the length of the pitch with flags as if they were carrying the olympic torch, as well as that prick with a drum banging away like a demented hillbilly. It's like some stupid family funday. After they charged the Newcastle fans �35 into the ground they then had the cheek to tell us to sit down because "persistent standing" isn't allowed - they even kicked some of our fans out of the ground for standing up too long. These are people who have travelled 150 miles and paid �35 to see the game and they are ejected from the stadium, it's a disgrace that the FA haven't done anything about the treatment of supporters. Who the fuck do these jokers think they are?
The football on display was crap from both sides but Bolton did edge it in terms of both chances and possession. It still felt like Newcastle gifted them the points though as Given made rare errors for both goals. With the exception of a big let-off when Pedersen scuffed a 1-on-1, Bolton weren't very threatening and most of their chances came from our mistakes, either miscontrolled passes or just stupid defending. They just pumped endless balls into the air and we were coping quite well, and with some common sense defending and goalkeeping we shouldn't have been troubled. But once again common-sense defending seems to be too much for our defenders. Bolton were shit today but somehow Newcastle managed to be even shitter and conceded two very soft goals.
Somehow Diouf was awarded man of the match, I presume for conning the referee into so many free-kicks because he spent half the game on his arse. Puff.
Bolton edged it but at 1-1 it could have gone either way as we were lifted by the rapid equaliser. Another silly error and we're 2-1 down.
Souness got his tactics wrong from the start today. Playing a RB at LB (Hughes), a LB at CB (Elliott), a RM at LM (Ambrose) and a ST at RM (Bellamy) was asking for problems and we always looked unbalanced. It just never clicked, they were mis-reading each others passes, not seeing each others runs, it was disorganised. We played very little football along the ground and Bolton are pretty good in the air which is where the game was won.
Despite his excellent goal I thought Ambrose generally struggled on the left and Robert should have played there from the start. I know Robert doesn't track back and can be a liability away from home but Ambrose kept mis-controlling balls coming his way and trying to cut inside on his right foot. Robert is also just a better player than Ambrose and on his day he is unstoppable. Jenas wasn't included because of a late injury apparently, but we could have done with him today keeping the ball on the ground and passing it about neatly, make Bolton's older side run around a lot and keep things calmer.
I thought Butt had a very good game but Bowyer had another up and down performance. Butt and Jenas could be worth a try in the middle as they are both on decent form, with Bowyer rested. I want to see Milner given a run on the right as he is a class act.
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| Originally posted by evil_bastard I went to the game today and it was a shambles. The Reebok Stadium is in the middle of bloody nowhere, it's surrounded by farms and stuff. You get the train miles and miles out of Bolton to some random fields. It's an incredibly cheesy ground as well, there was a pathetic fireworks display and there were cheerleaders who looked about ten years old, a big TV screen in the corner of the ground, and when they scored they played TV music from Phoenix Nights and had two nobheads running the length of the pitch with flags as if they were carrying the olympic torch, as well as that prick with a drum banging away like a demented hillbilly. It's like some stupid family funday. After they charged the Newcastle fans �35 into the ground they then had the cheek to tell us to sit down because "persistent standing" isn't allowed - they even kicked some of our fans out of the ground for standing up too long. These are people who have travelled 150 miles and paid �35 to see the game and they are ejected from the stadium, it's a disgrace that the FA haven't done anything about the treatment of supporters. Who the fuck do these jokers think they are? The football on display was crap from both sides but Bolton did edge it in terms of both chances and possession. It still felt like Newcastle gifted them the points though as Given made rare errors for both goals. With the exception of a big let-off when Pedersen scuffed a 1-on-1, Bolton weren't very threatening and most of their chances came from our mistakes, either miscontrolled passes or just stupid defending. They just pumped endless balls into the air and we were coping quite well, and with some common sense defending and goalkeeping we shouldn't have been troubled. But once again common-sense defending seems to be too much for our defenders. Bolton were shit today but somehow Newcastle managed to be even shitter and conceded two very soft goals. Somehow Diouf was awarded man of the match, I presume for conning the referee into so many free-kicks because he spent half the game on his arse. Puff. Bolton edged it but at 1-1 it could have gone either way as we were lifted by the rapid equaliser. Another silly error and we're 2-1 down. Souness got his tactics wrong from the start today. Playing a RB at LB (Hughes), a LB at CB (Elliott), a RM at LM (Ambrose) and a ST at RM (Bellamy) was asking for problems and we always looked unbalanced. It just never clicked, they were mis-reading each others passes, not seeing each others runs, it was disorganised. We played very little football along the ground and Bolton are pretty good in the air which is where the game was won. Despite his excellent goal I thought Ambrose generally struggled on the left and Robert should have played there from the start. I know Robert doesn't track back and can be a liability away from home but Ambrose kept mis-controlling balls coming his way and trying to cut inside on his right foot. Robert is also just a better player than Ambrose and on his day he is unstoppable. Jenas wasn't included because of a late injury apparently, but we could have done with him today keeping the ball on the ground and passing it about neatly, make Bolton's older side run around a lot and keep things calmer. I thought Butt had a very good game but Bowyer had another up and down performance. Butt and Jenas could be worth a try in the middle as they are both on decent form, with Bowyer rested. I want to see Milner given a run on the right as he is a class act. |
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| Originally posted by Ian^ The stadium isn't too far out of the main town, and was built there as it is easily accessed from both the motorways and railway. I have to get there on train and the station is about 200m from the ground, which is not a bad thing. Try getting to Pride park at derby, the nearest station is 3 miles away, the walk is along a main road and very unsafe. As for the things you felt were silly, you should see what they give you at grounds like Wolves where the fans are treated appallingly, the food is dreadful and there is a general 'well you're an away fan so you deserve to be spat at' feeling. Our tactics were slightly different yesterday as we lacked Campo in midfield who is a great passer of the ball. Jay Jay is still the most gifted player on the park though, and even if he had a bit of an off game, we still edged you out. The frequent throws were because of balls that your side had put out and we can't help that, that's down to your tactics, Souness made the mistake of trying to cancel us out rather than playing his normal tactics and it showed, you were very poor. While the way we play football might not be the totally 'beautiful' way, it's still effective and you can't blame us for doing it, would you rather be a neat side like norwich and bottom of the league or top 4 by going direct at times? We do play a lot of longish balls because of the way our wingers play, they play deep in the other half as we try to get in behind the full backs, and there are many national teams who play the same and do so effectively, cameroon being one. As for the fans being ejected, I can't comment on it as I didn't see it via the tv, but the rules are there and people have to follow them, it's the same for home or away fans as it's down to safety, plus i've been at grounds where you barely see a thing cos some twat infront of you thinks its good to stand up all game, so I'd have to stick by the stadium policy on that. Diouf ran his ass off on the day, and even if he goes down a fair bit, there were at least two maybe four times when it was a foul so it worked against him. He scored his first goal for us by getting stuck in and working hard and you cannot fault that, I'm sure you'd rather have had some of your players trying like kluivert & shearer who did virtually nothing on the day. Shearer was also a twat when poll wanted to call him over, he deliberately didn't goto him straight away, something about his 'I'm Alan Shearer so i'm not accountable for anything' attitude that I fear is going to cost you things, the way he's never subbed even when Bellamy is playing better will only harm the team. If he really loves the team he should at least know when he's not having a good one and it's time to let someone else have a go in his place. I think the result was about fair, maybe a point would have been right but on the day we worked hard and on our limited budget and running costs, that is sometimes all we can do. |
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| Originally posted by Turner Ian, just face it, Newcastle are better, we just had a shit day |
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| Originally posted by Ian^ The league table doesn't lie |
so ner ner
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| Originally posted by Turner Whos in Europe so ner nerNewcastle will win at home against Bolton. Whos still in the cup |
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| Originally posted by Ian^ we'll sort that one out after the chelsea game |
I agree with most of what you say Ian, Bolton edged it and if anyone deserved a win it was your lot, but other than the two soft goals we conceded, Given was hardly tested and 0-0 wouldn't have been unfair as both sides played poorly.
Shearer and Kluivert got very poor service so I don't think it's fair to pin the blame on them, although I think they could have dropped a bit deeper and helped out the midfield. I'd like to see Bellamy back in the middle and I'd also like to see Kluivert drop a little deeper so he can see more of the ball, because he is very dangerous with the ball at his feet and his vision and passing is top class, plus Bellamy will usually get on the end of through balls because few can match him for pace. We are playing Kluivert like a target man, and while he is very good in the air it is a waste of all his ball skills. Throughout the whole side I thought we looked unbalanced because of people out of position. Souness said he played Hughes instead of Bernard at LB because he thought he was defensively safer, but Bernard is not only a better full back but also naturally left footed. Hughes never got forward to help Ambrose and massive gaps started to show on our left side with Hughes playing too deep, and Diouf was happy to run into that space. Carr on the right hand side rarely got forward either, we were just inviting pressure.
The distribution out of our defence left Bowyer and Butt problems as well as they often recieved crap balls and had no time to pick anyone out. I think Bolton's best first half chance came when Given kicked it straight to a Bolton player who missed his 1-on-1, it was the story of our night.
I agree completely about Souness trying to beat Bolton at their own game rather than just concentrate on playing to our own style. It was frustrating because I feel Bernard and Robert on the left could have made a difference for us. Playing two strikers as target men and two combative midfielders meant that our creativity would have to come from the flanks, but the distribution to Bellamy and Ambrose wasn't good enough and I believe it all started from the back. We just never got our passing game going and it was like Souness told them to just battle and scrap for a victory. What was most frustrating was that I felt that Bolton had a poor game and it was a good opportunity for us to get an away win, at half time we were slightly fortunate to be at 0-0 but I felt that if we raised our game a little Bolton were there for the taking. But the second half continued where the first left off and Bolton took their chances from throw-ins.
This was only my third away game in England (the others being Sunderland and Liverpool) so I can't compare it to other stadiums. The issue of fans standing could be solved if the clubs worked with the fans to allocate standing and sitting sections, with those sitting getting the better seats closer to the pitch and those standing behind. I've never seen anyone injured by standing, tragedies such as Hillborough weren't caused by standing but by allowing far too many people into the ground, a problem which was solved many years ago by tickets and turnstiles. 90% of the Newcastle fans that I saw (me included) stood for the whole game, but some in the lower tier sat down. Some of the stewards seem embarrassed to ask fans to sit and give up after a few attempts.
If anyone missed it, Hugo Viana on loan with Sporting Lisbon scored one and assisted two as they won the other game in our UEFA group 4-1. Someone on another forum posted Viana's goal:
He also scored two goals in a 4-2 win in the Portuguese League a couple of weeks ago. Hopefully they can get him back to the form that made him Young European Player of the Year. He's on a season long loan but he extended his contract with us until 2008.
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Nicky Butt is a slight doubt for Sunday's Premiership clash with former club Manchester United after suffering mild concussion in midweek. Butt was hurt during the first half of Wednesday night's 2-0 Carling Cup defeat by Chelsea, although he is expected to be fit. Stephen Carr could return after a five-game absence with a knee problem, while midfielder Kieron Dyer, who played for the first time since September 16 as a substitute against Chelsea after recovering from a hamstring tear, will hope for further involvement. Newcastle (from): Given, Harper, Carr, Hughes, Bernard, Elliott, O'Brien, Bramble, Johnsen, Butt, Bowyer, Jenas, Robert, Dyer, Milner, Ambrose, Shearer, Bellamy, Kluivert, Ameobi. |
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Newcastle boss Graeme Souness has called on everyone involved with the club to throw their support behind the team this weekend. Souness arrived on Tyneside in September knowing that he had taken on a big job and not to universal acclaim, but unaware of the extent of the raging debate about the way forward. Two months on, his honeymoon period has been brought to an abrupt end by three defeats in the last four games, and he heads into Sunday's Premiership clash with Manchester United with some fans already calling for his head. "I knew how big this club was before I took the job here, but there are certain things which are different to what I've experienced before," he admitted. "I have been here seven or eight weeks so I don't know everything about the place just yet. There are things I'm absolutely delighted about and things I'm not so happy about, but don't ask me to go into that. "The thing I'd like to touch upon is that we should all be pulling in the same direction - that's everybody in the city - and I find that's not always the case. "Don't ask me to enlarge on that. At another time I will, but I find that disappointing. Everybody in Newcastle should all be pulling in the same direction. That's not the case, and I've found that out very quickly." Souness' predecessor Sir Bobby Robson made a similar complaint during the latter days of his reign, although Souness is not about to let it deflect him from the job at hand. "At any football club, any big football club, a manager comes to work every morning and it's 'What problem will you be confronted with today?'," he said. "It's just that it's at this club more than most. "But that's the price on the ticket. We'll deal with it, we'll get on with it and we'll concentrate on the most important thing, which is to prepare the players and make sure they are 100% ready for the game on Sunday." |
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