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Originally posted by occrider So when's the next council going to meet to add the passion of the christ to the new testament? I mean all the fundies are taking it as fact (despite the fact that they're equally ignorant to the origins of the movie as they are to the bible). So when can we codify all of this? Btw, Monty Python's the Life of Brian is being rereleased in American theaters to commemorate the success of jesus chainsaw massacre .

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 That's wrong, I'm not using my arguments from ignorance. I've given you my answers,if you don't like them.Then tough.

Err, read over what I said again. I was talking about Heinz, although you yourself have used them before.

Secondly, do you even know what an argument from ignorance is?

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Hey, If you would read back a couple of pages or so. You'd pretty much see that I'm not into that. The Bible contains no fallacies. The Bible is 100% accurate.

I take it that you believe the earth is flat then?

Oh, by the way: www.skepticsannotatedbible.com

Unless you can successfully explain these away, then you lose, period. The burden of proof is upon you, as you are making the claim. Put up, or shut up.

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But,I don't go around saying that " everyone that doesn't believe in Jesus and God is going to burn in hell. " That's not a pleasant way of stating your point of view.

Are you Heinz? If not, then that obviously wasn't directed at you.

I'm also going to agree with what Drug Tito said, i recently got around to seeing it, and it was nothing more than a sick, twisted excuse to show a guy getting mutilated for hours on end. The visuals were well done imho, but to be honest it was all a bit too barbaric for me.

Ah yes, LOL @ Arbiter.

Well Arbiter, I suppose quite a bit of my family would have starred in that upcoming film, except they were executed.

Nellie, I had my certain thoughts about Jesus when I went in to see the film. Watching someone get brutally beaten for three hours, did not change my mind.

Was it truly necessary to create a film magnifying the atrocities of a book that is still debatable whether even a percentage of it is even accurate? If trying to create a need for the belief in Jesus, wouldn't you focus on the more peaceful events of his life? Leave it to a Christian to attempt to create a mass acception of the fables of the bible through sympathy and pure disgust.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade Well Arbiter, I suppose quite a bit of my family would have starred in that upcoming film, except they were executed.

You don't sound too enthusiastic about the movie. I can't say that I blame you.

It's funny how Christian fundamentalists praise this movie which graphically depicts the brutal torture and execution of their "savior" who they "love." I wouldn't be too keen on a movie about the barbaric execution of someone I loved. But I guess "love" in Christianity means you'd be happy to watch them be tortured.

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 Idiocity? Talk about immaturity. It's not a total piece of crap,that is a VERY VERY important movie for many reasons. He didn't go through just 5 minutes of whipping. I'm glad that wasn't cut out,because I think everyone needed/needs to see what happened to Him. Atleast show some respect.

Well, if you want to be absolutely realistic, he went through some 12 hours of whipping and beating, not just 2.5. So I guess Gibson didn't really do a perfect job, as the movie should have lasted the whole night.

The point I was trying to make is that the movie made no attempt whatsoever to propagate the actual Jesus' teachings, instead it just focused on the beating and whipping without even a slightest insight on the background issues and the reasons for which that beating took place. That sort of an overly simplistic approach completely removes any feelings of pity towards the person getting whipped, as it is not able to portray whether there has been injustice brought upon the person or not, which, in turn, leaves people who are not well-versed in biblical teachings utterly ambivalent towards the movie. I must agree with Arbiter's last post here. There are so many people who have been innocent yet tortured to death (Giordano Bruno, Salem witches...), and although I believe people should definitely acknowledge that those happenings took place (which is actually rather questionable in Jesus's case), making a 3 hour long movie which portrays nothing but the actual procedure of torturing itself is pointless and idiotic.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Well, if you want to be absolutely realistic, he went through some 12 hours of whipping and beating, not just 2.5. So I guess Gibson didn't really do a perfect job, as the movie should have lasted the whole night. The point I was trying to make is that the movie made no attempt whatsoever to propagate the actual Jesus' teachings, instead it just focused on the beating and whipping without even a slightest insight on the background issues and the reasons for which that beating took place. That sort of an overly simplistic approach completely removes any feelings of pity towards the person getting whipped, as it is not able to portray whether there has been injustice brought upon the person or not, which, in turn, leaves people who are not well-versed in biblical teachings utterly ambivalent towards the movie. I must agree with Arbiter's last post here. There are so many people who have been innocent yet tortured to death (Giordano Bruno, Salem witches...), and although I believe people should definitely acknowledge that those happenings took place (which is actually rather questionable in Jesus's case), making a 3 hour long movie which portrays nothing but the actual procedure of torturing itself is pointless and idiotic.

You just typed out everything I was too lazy to type last night and came back to do today.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade You just typed out everything I was too lazy to type last night and came back to do today.

Damn it, I kept hoping someone would do it instead of me, but couldn't force myself to wait long enough. Hurry up next time, will you?

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Damn it, I kept hoping someone would do it instead of me, but couldn't force myself to wait long enough. Hurry up next time, will you?

Oh, I wasn't hoping for it... but you and I happen to be on the same wavelength, so somehow, subconsciously, you knew what I wanted to say, and decided to do it for me. Thanks!

Watch South Park - Passion of the Jew and there in lies the answer about Mel Gibson.

South Park always has the right idea at the end of each show - you must obey it.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Oh, hadn't you heard? God is dead! He was slain in the night by a fellow named reason.

but for some reason He doesn't go away - I think that's due to a fellow named faith. He might be on TA - might want to hit him up if you're ever depressed.

Re: Religious debate on Jews/Passion of the Christ

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: This doesnt really apply to seculars so u can either flame on, or ignore this discussion, but the new Mel Gibson movie is stirring up a huge amount of controversy because many say it is anti-semetic. many hate groups, white sepremesists a large majority have huge hate for jews. many normal people have mixed feelings about them. but it is all stemming from the belief that Jews killed Jesus. if you "dont" think about it. yes jews did kill jesus. such a horrible crime against the almighty god. but what many christians and other people alike dont understand is that, it was God's will that Jesus be crucified. The Jews actually did God's will by having jesus crucified. if jesus hadnt died in such a way, then we would not be able to be saved, have everlasting life, or ever be accepted into heaven, because of our sinful nature and unrightiousness. we would be doomed forever, because it is only by rightiousness that we are accepted into heaven, not through good works, or just because your a good guy. jesus died for us, so that we could be saved from this doom, and if one accepts him, becomes christian, and follows the teachings of Jesus, giving up old life, starting anew, then we are righteous before god. none of this could happen if jesus hadnt died on the cross. --------- maybe we should thank the jews. because all they did was unconsioussly follow God's will to save us from everlasting death.

this is also assuming that god actually existed.

however to me, this sounds like the words of a justificaton from a guilty party

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Originally posted by MezzicanTrancEr but for some reason He doesn't go away - I think that's due to a fellow named faith. He might be on TA - might want to hit him up if you're ever depressed.

WTF?

Of all the dead threads to bump, you had to choose this one.

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Originally posted by arctic WTF? Of all the dead threads to bump, you had to choose this one.

I'm tellin ya, it's a Jesus-thread, it can't die!

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Originally posted by MezzicanTrancEr but for some reason He doesn't go away - I think that's due to a fellow named faith. He might be on TA - might want to hit him up if you're ever depressed.

Oh, I was wondering what was causing that stench. In life, he was omnipotent, but in death he's just omnipungent. But I'll keep your suggestion in mind: a few stiff kicks might serve to accelerate his decomposition anyway.

Im not going to read all.. but all I gotta say is.. those that think it's anti-simetic, get a clueeeeeeee!!!!!!! .. this movie is based on the bible, the oldest historic book in the world.. is was not made up by him, but done just as described.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King I just have to let this out There is no God There is no Heaven There was no supernatural Jesus When we die, we rot. We become one with existence itself in another form (creamation, burial, organ donar, frozen..etc..) Do you beleive in the tooth fairy...santa clause...elves, magical wizards, dragons, ghosts, the sandman....if not.. what makes you beleive such a similar character?? Jesus was supposed to return in 2000 wasnt he???? 2000 years after his death? To judge us? WHERE WAS HE?? I know.. i know.. you are going to give me some bullshit excuse or explanation about why or how he came or didnt come... If God was all powerful.. WHY WONT HE PROVE HIMSELF????? oh yes.. i forgot... we are a test!

ok.. i go to Catholic school and i am a pretty religious person.. and to my knowledge.. nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus was coming back in the year 2000... and u said 2000 yrs after his death.. but he was born about 4-5 BC (a recently discovered fact) and he died at 33 years old (approx) .. which would mean that your estimate to his return has not come yet, as it would be in the year 2028 or 2029..

and if there is no God, then where did the universe come from.. according to the laws of physics.. energy is not created, it is transferred.. so .. where did all the energy in the universe come from? it cant just appear.. something had to make it appear.. which is why God is supernatural.. he has powers beyond the laws of our world, because he created it all..

now this is just my outlook on that aspect... believe what you want.. but i was mainly trying to point out the error in your statement about Jesus coming back in the year 2000...

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on a separate note regarding the anti-semitism... the movie was pretty much 100% accurate to the Gospels in portraying the story, and guess who wrote those? .. JEWS! .. so how could u call a Jew a Jew-hater?! it just does not make sense... and, like someone else has said before in this thread, Jesus was supposed to die that way.. or else we would not have the ability to be saved.. so whoever technically killed him, should be forgiven.

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Originally posted by Arbiter You don't sound too enthusiastic about the movie. I can't say that I blame you. It's funny how Christian fundamentalists praise this movie which graphically depicts the brutal torture and execution of their "savior" who they "love." I wouldn't be too keen on a movie about the barbaric execution of someone I loved. But I guess "love" in Christianity means you'd be happy to watch them be tortured.

That's not what it's about. It reminds the the Christians what Jesus went through as our savior.. and therefore this movie re-captures and reminds the christians of the pain and everything else, all to give the christians the chance to repent and have the opportunity to be saved. So is not about been happy watching our savior be tortured.. no one is happy to it, is the other way around, it shocks the believer and it has, in some cases, meditate and look at the way of life differently, for those that have never thought, nor read about what jesus went through. But yes, you are not a believer, therefore you just see it differently, but what you described is totally out of the context really

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Originally posted by Cyrus King I just have to let this out There is no God There is no Heaven There was no supernatural Jesus When we die, we rot. We become one with existence itself in another form (creamation, burial, organ donar, frozen..etc..) Do you beleive in the tooth fairy...santa clause...elves, magical wizards, dragons, ghosts, the sandman....if not.. what makes you beleive such a similar character?? Jesus was supposed to return in 2000 wasnt he???? 2000 years after his death? To judge us? WHERE WAS HE?? I know.. i know.. you are going to give me some bullshit excuse or explanation about why or how he came or didnt come... If God was all powerful.. WHY WONT HE PROVE HIMSELF????? oh yes.. i forgot... we are a test!

What you first mention, well, that's your belief, you are not proving anything.

Secondly, Jesus was neeeeeeeever predicted to come in 2000, it does not say that anywhere. No one knows when will Jesus come.
The bible does and has given hints as to the times that we will have to go through before Jesus comes, meaning, signs. You can perhaps read some of Apocalypsis for a bit for your knowledge, and then you could give some opinion of what you thought about it.

God is all powerful, but there's also Faith, which is what every religious person has ( The Jews, Musloms, Christians etc etc.. )

And yes, we are been tested now. We have all been given the " free wheel" which gives you the choice to accept or not accept things. To go the right path, or the wrong path. But hey, your choice, your beliefes, I respect. I feel like a preacher, heh..

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Originally posted by LiquidX That's not what it's about. It reminds the the Christians what Jesus went through as our savior.. and therefore this movie re-captures and reminds the christians of the pain and everything else, all to give the christians the chance to repent and have the opportunity to be saved. So is not about been happy watching our savior be tortured.. no one is happy to it, is the other way around, it shocks the believer and it has, in some cases, meditate and look at the way of life differently, for those that have never thought, nor read about what jesus went through. But yes, you are not a believer, therefore you just see it differently, but what you described is totally out of the context really

to add my thoughts here too.. i thought it was an awesome movie... but not because i enjoyed it.. its because it was so powerful.. and it was breathtaking to see the stories that i know from reading the Bible acted out the way they really happened .. not numbed down in violence like past movies about Jesus have been.. a crucifixion was not a pretty sight as many people, even most Catholics, think it is.. so why have a movie thats supposed to tell the story with images tell what didnt happen?

also, i think that even if you are atheist and you watch the movie you will be affected by it.. if not from the fact that it is about Jesus, from the fact that you are seeing a fellow human being tortured to death like that..

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Originally posted by djsubsonik and if there is no God, then where did the universe come from.. according to the laws of physics.. energy is not created, it is transferred.. so .. where did all the energy in the universe come from? it cant just appear.. something had to make it appear.. which is why God is supernatural.. he has powers beyond the laws of our world, because he created it all..

Okay, applying your same standards to God: where did God come from? Energy cannot be created or destroyed, so what created God? ...and so on and so fourth.

...But of course, because God is supernatural, he didn't need to be created! Can the universe not be held to the same standard? Why can the universe simply not have always existed?


Someone please kill this thread.

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Originally posted by nic01445 Someone please kill this thread.

nooo

/me bring the popcorns to see what these new fundies can bring

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Originally posted by nic01445 Someone please kill this thread.

i concur this topic sucks

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Originally posted by Dmatrox i concur this topic sucks

no1 is asking you to take part in it

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Originally posted by arctic WTF? Of all the dead threads to bump, you had to choose this one.

Sorry man! I just didn't find the current thread discussing "whether or not Lindsay Loham skanks herself" worthwhile.



...i must have missed the memo on the rules regarding "thread bumping". My bad!

Oh and I almost forgot to mention, I'll try my hardest to run my next post by you. Cool? Great!!! HAHA sorry I had to...and another thing if posts like this bother you please move on, sooooo simple.

i feel like an ass posting this 4 months after the thread appeared but since it was bumped here goes. its amazing how over a long period of time evrything's existance becomes questionable. you think one day far into the future there would be debating over whether tranceaddict ever existed? you can bet on it!

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